American foreign policy makers thought that they would hoodwink India into signing nuclear deal and put shackles on India.
Slowly the truth is coming out that nuclear deal has very little to do with energy but everything to do with stangling India's nuclear progress. These guys alwasy speak with forked tongue.
Nuclear deal should be signed with three iron clad guarantee
1. Promise of uninterrupted nuclear fuel supply even in the event of India conducting nuclear tests ( which we hope would not be needed)
2. No attempt to spy on India's other nuclear establishment related to defence needs
3. Mea culpa by US that Pakistan's nuclear program was bluff like Iraq's WMD claim.
RE:Americans are desperate
by Golden on May 10, 2008 12:14 AM Permalink
since when india got power to put conditions before USA? india is a begger and will never get strength to rise up its head and look into the eyes of USA....
we need some charismatic and daring as well as very good deplomat like Ahmadinejad who can show the shoe of USA to himself and defy all the bullying of USA and west.
With democracy in Pakistan, last peace to promote rapid socio-economic development has become feasible. With this comes additional responsibility to leave the door open for Pakistan to join the comity of nations with safeguarded and legit deterrance.
Such a stance would provide new impetus and a sense of urgency to the historic Indo-US N-deal.
quite obviously, india is not bound by hyde act, but usa is; and hence the u.s. administration can not act contrary to hyde act, thus affecting 123. the bush adminitration officials are now talking incosistently depending who their audience is. only thing that can be believed is the document pres bush signs - and those documents too show bush himself talks differently. now all nuke activist congressmen like hyde are dead, u.s. congress needs to enact a new law that will fully support 123.
At a time when our boudaries are at stake, where do you go for a support? All our neighbours are so eager to capture as much as possible at any given chance! China is the silent but strongest enemy that we have (Recollect the last NDA defence minister George Fen'z' controversial comment)
So in case of a border attack from China, what can we do? Is it limited only to the extend of sacrificing the lives of our security forces?
Having stronger allies will deter such forces to an extend in a single polar world.. The alliance that is in line with US, Aus, Japan and India can support the very existance of our country.. Self belief is good but over confidence is destructive!
Choosing between China or US is the option.. and please do it...
RE:No Bindings NO Volumes
by raj sreedhar on Apr 24, 2008 06:57 PM Permalink
TheOneAndOnly, you must be one hell of a fool. NO AMERICA IS NOT BANKRUPT. THAT IS YOUR COMMIE NATIONS. AMERICANS STILL HAVING THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF LIVING IN THE WORLD.
Even if Hyde Act is not binding to India, it is binding to US administration. In future India will be asked to fulfil its obligations under 123-Agreement; however US will show its incapacity to fulfil its obligations on the name of Hyde Act.
India will not be able to break the Agreement, on the other hand India will not have any benefit from it.
There are no permanent friends or permanent enemies so far as any nation in concerned. They have only "permanent interests" This is the basic principle of diplomacy.
It is for the countries entering into agreements to ensure that they are not jeoparadising their country's interests and are not signing blindly the dotted line.
We have already learnt a lesson from the Agreement entered into between Maharashtra State Electricity Board and Enron. Luckily Enron went into liquidation and could not benefit from the gold-plated agreement much. Otherwise the State of Maharashtra might have gone bankrupt.
The 123 Agreement should be discussed throughly in the Parliament and be made available to the citizens of our Country to offer their suggestion. Let us have an informed debate on the issue and understand the implications of the same. What all are being hidden in the name of "Hyde Act"?
RE:Diplomacy at its best!
by ravi prakash on Apr 24, 2008 03:14 PM Permalink
As far as we know, the Hyde Act cannot be by- passed by any foregn agreement. The violation of the Hyde Act will make the entire contract void as far as the US is concerned. It seems that as far as the US-India deal is concerned, the entire Hyde Act must be in the contract in a wordily different form without the name of Hyde Act appearing in it. The Indian side is carrying an impression that it does not apply to the deal. This is clever verbiage and hair splitting by our US counterparts. A second question is in case of violation; who is to determine and what would be the penalty. The US has ensured that violation of the deal would be on India's part with the US designated agencies playing the part of policemen the punishment for any violation being suspension of supplies of fissile materials by NSG completely to the detriment of India. A classic case of "Heads I win- Tails you lose" with" there is no alternative" (TINA) position for the US
RE:Diplomacy at its best!
by on May 11, 2008 09:34 AM Permalink
Indian politicians are hiding important facts from the people of India. It will be stupid for India to sign this agreement. It will make them slaves again. It will be the same thing that British did to India when they came to India as merchants and then took over the country. In the long run this agreement will be sui cidal act for India. If India has any sense of National respect, National pride, concern for it's own National interest, India should reject this agreement. It is better to suffer than to become slave.
RE:Diplomacy at its best!
by ravi prakash on Apr 24, 2008 03:24 PM Permalink
Sir, The Enron Case is a classic case where the MSEB was made to agree to terms of power purchase when it was in no position to honor the deal. In any case Enron encashed the soverign guarantees, honored by the consortium of banks with IDBI and ICICI in the lead. They paid through the nose for MSEBs refusal to buy the power. ICICI chose to sell insurance to recover its hit while IDBI stayed hit and is limping to normalcy only now Enron did not go bankrupt; it was forcibly closed for fraud on the US-Govt and the Shareholders for account books cooking.
RE:Diplomacy at its best!
by Avinash on Apr 24, 2008 03:39 PM Permalink
Dear ravi prakash, first of all what was the need for MSEB to sign such a one sided agreement? Are we to assume that Eron was bringing any new technology that was not available in India? Our PSUs like NTPC and BHEL had enough resources to make a dozen Dabhols each! Even Tatas and Ambanis could have generated enough power. It was only the greed of our Politicians and secrecy while signing the Agreement that worsened the situation.
The fate of N-deal also would be the same if we proceed without taking enough precaution.
We have enough resources to meet our power requirements thru conventional sources like Thermal power, etc for another 50 years. So there is no need to rush thruough the N-deal to repent at leasure.
US is medlling in India's affairs by sending directive as what India should say to Iranian pres when stops over Delhi. what will happen if we sign the deal? Does India tell What Bush should say when Pakistani president visits US? Remember how Bush was all praise for Mushy when the latter visited US?
Britain supported terrorism by demanding release of Peter Bleach, a British national, who had dropped arms in Purulia (West Bengal) from a plane a decade ago. Now they are talking of fighting against terrorism.
RE:Britain's direct role in spreading terrorism in this world
by Sebastian Cherukanam on Apr 24, 2008 01:43 PM Permalink
The then British Prime Minister, John Major had personally requested Indian government for his release. It sums up all.
US tactics is pretty simple. They allow their diplomats talk every here and there and if they see it boomerangs, the big guns will distance themselves away from it. If it goes well, it will become their policy from then onwards. India should take a strong stance not against such blah-blah but against this US tactics so that they will be forced to restrain themselves from making such irresponsible and nonsense statements.
RE:India should protest not againt the statements but against the US tactics
by murli nair on Apr 24, 2008 02:29 PM Permalink
those tactics are used by all diplomats. At least the US is polite and friendly towards us, no wonder we scream and yell at at it. Look at china's behaviour towards us and in response we cringe and whine.
RE:India should protest not againt the statements but against the US tactics
by Shubhangi on Apr 24, 2008 01:37 PM Permalink
you mallus and bongs are commies who hate growth. the day you stop your negative propaganda the country will prosper.
RE:India should protest not againt the statements but against the US tactics
by Avinash on Apr 24, 2008 02:48 PM Permalink
Shubhangi, do you mean that except for "mallus and bongs" every one else in our country are in the seventh heaven? What is the condition in other States?
About a year back I had an opportunity to visit Gadchiroli and Dantewade (two of the most naxal infested areas in the country). Do you know what is the condition in Baster (the largest district in India, in which Dantewade is also located)? The money-lenders are exploiting the poor like anything!
Is this just a fashion to blame to "commies" for every thing that has gone wrong in our Country? At least the working class in Kerala and Bengal get reasonable wages. A few days back a person from Orissa had told me that the daily wage in agriculture sector for a female worker is Rs. 30/- and for male it is Rs. 35/- for which they have to work till sun-set (not at 5 or 6 pm)! What would you say about these things?
RE:India should protest not againt the statements but against the US tactics
by ravi prakash on Apr 24, 2008 03:34 PM Permalink
Sir, I have heard that in Kerala, a private contrator has to pay the official workers for not working in order to pay a different set of workers(not on official roll) to work. People are so unionised at all levels that they feel that their part is only to receive wages for no work. In spite of the high levels of literacy Malayalees want to work only outside their state for earning a decent livlihood.They definitely know their rights but not their duties. Same to a lesser extent for West Bengal.
RE:India should protest not againt the statements but against the US tactics
by Avinash on Apr 24, 2008 03:44 PM Permalink
Dear ravi prakash, there may be a few stray incidents like that but they are exceptions rather than rule. It is a fact that a good number of Keralites have to work outside the State as employment opportunities do not match with the supply of trained manpower, but they may not be more than 10% of the total employable population. Do you mean to say that the entire population of Kerala are living a miserable life? The life-style of an average Keralite is far better than those from other parts of our Country.
RE:India should protest not againt the statements but against the US tactics
by satyarthi on Apr 24, 2008 04:25 PM Permalink
Agreed. Wage is related to capacity to pay and labour productivity in an area. Moreover, in eastern states like orissa, sun sets by 5 or 6 pm depending on seasons.
