RE:some books for Muslims to read
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 05:42 AM Permalink
First of all I am from south India livin in US,i know my exact caste three generations ago unlike many muslims here..
One important point - when you quote references understand basic etiquties-You should quote from non religious affiliated sites. The fact that you guys hate historians like Ramachandra Guha,Thappar is a proof that you can write and refer only your own imagintions in hate websites and refer them back again
RE:RE:RE:some books for Muslims to read
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 05:56 AM Permalink
William Darlymple is a living historian and a award winning author unlike Naipaul who is a story teller and who got prize for his ability to tell stories.William darlymple has commented about naipaul here
...Yet The Mughal Emperors remains a vital corrective to the influential but partial and wrong-headed readings of the flag bearers of intellectual Islamophobia such as Naipaul, Lewis and Huntingdon, all of whom continue to manufacture entirely negative images of one of the greatest and most varied civilisations in world history...
RE:some books for Muslims to read
by Arif on Apr 21, 2008 06:09 AM Permalink
"Agenda to promote mughal oriented book"...hmmm guess he is looking for a reward from emporer babur :-)
RE:RE:some books for Muslims to read
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 06:10 AM Permalink
who is this Faruouk dhondy?A parsi who makes good use of his Muslim sounding name to bash Muslims? what exactly this gentleman has told? He is called a racist in UK and now finds good time with Indian channels!!
RE:some books for Muslims to read
by Arif on Apr 21, 2008 06:06 AM Permalink
Hi Balarod, Did you get a chance to see the movie "White Girl". Its a BBC production.
RE:some books for Muslims to read
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 06:08 AM Permalink
No I havent watched that.by the way live in US (temproraily) and my favorite is FOX news (I treat that as comedy channel)
RE:RE:some books for Muslims to read
by Arif on Apr 21, 2008 06:12 AM Permalink
Its a good documentry movie based on the life of a 11 year old white girl and her interaction with Islam. Its a part of BBCs white season documentries. Its loosely based on real life story about a 11 year old white girl who learns and embraces Islam. And the producers are not muslims :-)
RE:some books for Muslims to read
by Arif on Apr 21, 2008 05:44 AM Permalink
I dont have any shame in my hindu past. For me religion is not about proclaiming greatness over others. For me religion is a way to live a life and thats it. I am as proud of my hindu ancestors as any other hindu. I dont have any shame in calling myself a hindu in the geograhical context.
RE:some books for Muslims to read
by Arif on Apr 21, 2008 05:47 AM Permalink
I was always a hindu in geograhical terms. I follow the message of God (Islam) in spritual terms. I have all the respect for my hindu countrymen. I can never abuse a hindu because I am myself a hindu.
RE:RE:Challenge to Muslim bashers
by salim on Apr 21, 2008 05:48 AM Permalink
Show me the evidence where these personalities talked about forced conversion of Hindus?dont brining their personal encouters with kind. That is politics!!!!
RE:RE:Challenge to Muslim bashers
by salim on Apr 21, 2008 05:48 AM Permalink
Show me the evidence where these personalities talked about forced conversion of Hindus?dont brining their personal encouters with kind. That is politics!!!!
RE:Challenge to Muslim bashers
by selah on Apr 21, 2008 09:29 AM Permalink
you sounds like tommorow you will come and ask us to refer rediff msg boards for the fact..
Here is a review of the Historian Huge Kendys book how the spread of islam changed the world. he is a oxford historian and the review is here in world leading econmist weekly
He says ...AN AGGRESSIVE Bedouin horde, drunk on religion, sweeps out of the Arabian peninsula%u2014on the way burning the great library of Alexandria%u2014and, through wholesale massacre and forced conversion, imposes Islam on a vast area stretching from Spain to the fringes of China. If this is your mental picture of the rise of Islam, dimly remembered from some long-ago history lesson, take note- it is in almost every respect wrong....
RE:@Rishi
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 05:32 AM Permalink
This kind of unsubstantiated view is height of madness according to your own vivekanda-what is your view on this?
The supreme quote Judge VR Krishna Iyer quoted Vivekanda in The Hindu Magazine below
Vivekanada told the detractors of the Muslim rule- The Muhammadan conquest of India came as a salvation to the downtrodden to the poor. That is why one-fifth of our people have become Muhammadans. He denied that -it was all the work of sword and fire - and said that to call it so was -the height of madness.
RE:@Rishi
by Arif on Apr 21, 2008 05:34 AM Permalink
Yes indeed you are right you will never let rationality or facts come in the way of your imagined beliefs :-). Academics is not for you.
RE:@Rishi
by rishi on Apr 21, 2008 05:36 AM Permalink
Actually now it has been proven that most Muslims in India are of "high caste origin"..es pecially in Northern India.
But Arif and Balord, you will hardly remember that, it has been really long when ur forefathers were forced into Islam.
RE:@Rishi
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 05:39 AM Permalink
hey when you quote references understand basic etiquties-You should quote from non religious affiliated sites. The fact that you guys hate historians like Ramachandra Guha,Thappar is a proof that you can write and refer only your own imagintions in hate websites and refer them back again
RE:@Rishi
by Arif on Apr 21, 2008 05:40 AM Permalink
I have no shame is proclaiming by hindu ancestory. Whats wrong with that. A hindu is a hindu and is respectable. No Indian muslim can deny their hindu past.
RE:@Rishi
by salim on Apr 21, 2008 05:35 AM Permalink
Keep your infalted ago with you.. Can you tell me a hindu religious leader during the times of Muslim rule who spoke against this forced conversion?
Not kings but religiosn leaders like today who make this empty claim.Tell this and I will quit coming to rediff
RE:@Rishi
by on Apr 21, 2008 06:40 AM Permalink
Sorry Salim, but chances are back then their heads would have been chopped off for speaking against forced conversion. It is quite ridiculous of you to ask for proof about a single person. When people live in fear no one speaks out openly. Unfortunately, that is quite true even today. No muslim politician has the guts to speak openly against Jihad being waged on India or any where.. cause they know their heads will be chopped of by hot headed idiots from LeT or SIMI or some organization like that.
RE:yes Arif
by Arif on Apr 21, 2008 05:06 AM Permalink
The persians were prosecuted by muslims and they migrated to parts of India. The spaniards muslims were prosecuted by xians they migrated to north africa...Everywhere there is prosecution there is migration. But as far as I know Indians only exist in India. How did this happen ?
RE:yes Arif
by rishi on Apr 21, 2008 05:13 AM Permalink
Ever heard of the gypsies.
Indians had the guts to fight Islam and stop its expansion.
You maybe a product of what ur forefathers could not defeat. Its ironic that you profess Islam, the same religion that ur forefathers probably were enslaved into.
Tell me ur region of origin and ur sect and I will tell u how ur forefathers were converted and raped.
RE:RE:yes Arif
by balaord on Apr 21, 2008 05:26 AM Permalink
what is your view on this?
The supreme quote Judge VR Krishna Iyer quoted Vivekanda in The Hindu Magazine below
Vivekanada told the detractors of the Muslim rule- The Muhammadan conquest of India came as a salvation to the downtrodden to the poor. That is why one-fifth of our people have become Muhammadans. He denied that -it was all the work of sword and fire - and said that to call it so was -the height of madness.
