RE:Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire
by Star on Apr 19, 2008 06:53 PM Permalink
Give up the misguidance in which you had grown up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The Hindu mentality is such, that it usually accepts anything without questioning its authenticity. The reason is that for several centuries the higher caste Brahmin has taught that the low caste indigenous Indian has no right to question any discrepancies in Hindu beliefs and mythology.
RE:Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom.
by Star on Apr 19, 2008 06:52 PM Permalink
Give up the misguidance in which you had grown up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The Hindu mentality is such, that it usually accepts anything without questioning its authenticity. The reason is that for several centuries the higher caste Brahmin has taught that the low caste indigenous Indian has no right to question any discrepancies in Hindu beliefs and mythology.
RE:Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers
by Star on Apr 19, 2008 06:51 PM Permalink
Give up the misguidance in which you had grown up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The Hindu mentality is such, that it usually accepts anything without questioning its authenticity. The reason is that for several centuries the higher caste Brahmin has taught that the low caste indigenous Indian has no right to question any discrepancies in Hindu beliefs and mythology.
RE:All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die.
by Star on Apr 19, 2008 06:52 PM Permalink
Give up the misguidance in which you had grown up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The Hindu mentality is such, that it usually accepts anything without questioning its authenticity. The reason is that for several centuries the higher caste Brahmin has taught that the low caste indigenous Indian has no right to question any discrepancies in Hindu beliefs and mythology.
RE:everything
by balaord on Apr 19, 2008 06:44 PM Permalink
Prophet Muhammed married Ayesha with her permission after she attained puberty at the agr of 9.Puberty is a biological sign which shows that a women is capable of bearing children. Can anyone logically deny this? This is certainly not something that Islam invented,this has been the norm of cultures and nations.Today the civilized world considers same sex marriage perfectly legal so it is no wonder the natural bilogical permission for marriage seems to belong -primitive societies. As to his alleged old age (he was the commander in chief of his army not a shabby saint with hanging skin).You should know Prophet-s marriage to Aishah was an exceedingly happy one for both of them.If you couple this with the fact that attaining the age of puberty varies with countries and races due to the climate, hereditary, physical and social conditions, you wouldnt be asking this question.
RE:RE:everything
by balaord on Apr 19, 2008 06:50 PM Permalink
So you seem to know the Muslim history much more than Muslims themslves?She married him at the age of 9, at the age of 6,her father pledged that he will marry his daughter to Muhammed.The marriage itself didint happen at that time. By the way here is a peer reviewed journal on how the biological and pysiological characteristics are changing over the years and hwy early generational women had early marraige
questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&se=gglsc&d=98501236 ....since elite women generally married around the age of puberty or even earlier... ..The marriage ceremony itself, which often took place when a girl was twelve years old, and sometimes even earlier... ..While certain biological and even psychological aspects of human de velopment may be universal -- although sociologists, psychologists, and historians debate this -- A study of the lives of elite women in England and France between 1050 and 1300 illustrates this reality...
RE:everything
by Star on Apr 19, 2008 06:49 PM Permalink
suresh You SICK HEADS IDOLTROUS will never understand the justifications even then what do you need more....??? Now you go and hang y'rself
RE:RE:everything
by balaord on Apr 19, 2008 06:53 PM Permalink
You are again misquoting,She married her at the age of 9 and not 6. before Talking about mental maturity of Ayesha-know this -many of complicated islamic jurisprudence is based on Ayesha-s interpretation of Quran and Prophet Muhammed sayings.If Ayesha reasons it in a certain perspective,that is considered the most worthy interpretation above all.and also note - it is this Islamic law that is studied in the highest of law schools and forms significant part of many countries civil and crimnal law system
RE:everything
by balaord on Apr 19, 2008 06:45 PM Permalink
1400 years ago , women were not playing with dolls and they were much more mature both physically and mentally. Just check the age of British Queens few centuries back,you will realise marrying at early age is neither an exception nor an anomoly.It is just the norm etoile.co.uk/Columns/Paul/060129.html King Edward II - His wife Isabella of France was 12 at the time of marriage King Richard II - Married the daughter of daughter of King Charles VI of France,Isabella de Valois when she was 8 King Henry III -Mariied Eleanor of Provence when she was 13
RE:everything
by Ali boy on Apr 19, 2008 06:52 PM Permalink
EVIDENCE #1: Reliability of Source
Most of the narratives printed in the books of hadith are reported only by Hisham ibn `Urwah, who was reporting on the authority of his father. First of all, more people than just one, two or three should logically have reported. It is strange that no one from Medina, where Hisham ibn `Urwah lived the first 71 years of his life narrated the event, despite the fact that his Medinan pupils included the well-respected Malik ibn Anas. The origins of the report of the narratives of this event are people from Iraq, where Hisham is reported to have shifted after living in Medina for most of his life.
Tehzibu%u2019l-Tehzib, one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet, reports that according to Yaqub ibn Shaibah: %u201CHe [Hisham] is highly reliable, his narratives are acceptable, except what he narrated after moving over to Iraq%u201D (Tehzi%u2019bu%u2019l-tehzi%u2019b, Ibn Hajar Al-`asqala%u2019ni, Dar Ihya al-turath al-Islami, 15th century. Vol 11, p. 50).
It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reported through people in Iraq: %u201CI have been told that Malik objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reported through people of Iraq%u201D (Tehzi%u2019b u%u2019l-tehzi%u2019b, Ibn Hajar Al-`asqala%u2019ni, Dar Ihya al-turath al-Islami, Vol.11, p. 50).
Mizanu%u2019l-ai`tidal, another book on the life sketches of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet reports: %u201CWhen he was o
RE:RE:everything
by Ali boy on Apr 19, 2008 06:54 PM Permalink
sketches of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet reports: %u201CWhen he was old, Hisham%u2019s memory suffered quite badly%u201D (Mizanu%u2019l-ai`tidal, Al-Zahbi, Al-Maktabatu%u2019l-athriyyah, Sheikhupura, Pakistan, Vol. 4, p. 301).
CONCLUSION: Based on these references, Hisham%u2019s memory was failing and his narratives while in Iraq were unreliable. So, his narrative of Ayesha%u2019s marriage and age are unreliable.
CHRONOLOGY: It is vital also to keep in mind some of the pertinent dates in the history of Islam:
pre-610 CE: Jahiliya (pre-Islamic age) before revelation 610 CE: First revelation 610 CE: AbuBakr accepts Islam 613 CE: Prophet Muhammad begins preaching publicly. 615 CE: Emigration to Abyssinia 616 CE: Umar bin al Khattab accepts Islam 620 CE: Generally accepted betrothal of Ayesha to the Prophet 622 CE: Hijrah (emigation to Yathrib, later renamed Medina) 623/624 CE: Generally accepted year of Ayesha living with the Prophet
RE:RE:RE:RE:everything
by Ali boy on Apr 19, 2008 07:06 PM Permalink
Bukhari is not quran...mind it...it is a book of hadith or traditions written down by third parties regarding the prophet.
RE:RE:RE:everything
by Ali boy on Apr 19, 2008 06:57 PM Permalink
EVIDENCE #2: The Betrothal
According to Tabari (also according to Hisham ibn %u2018Urwah, Ibn Hunbal and Ibn Sad), Ayesha was betrothed at seven years of age and began to cohabit with the Prophet at the age of nine years.
However, in another work, Al-Tabari says: %u201CAll four of his [Abu Bakr%u2019s] children were born of his two wives during the pre-Islamic period%u201D (Tarikhu%u2019l-umam wa%u2019l-mamlu%u2019k, Al-Tabari (died 922), Vol. 4, p. 50, Arabic, Dara%u2019l-fikr, Beirut, 1979).
If Ayesha was betrothed in 620 CE (at the age of seven) and started to live with the Prophet in 624 CE (at the age of nine), that would indicate that she was born in 613 CE and was nine when she began living with the Prophet. Therefore, based on one account of Al-Tabari, the numbers show that Ayesha must have born in 613 CE, three years after the beginning of revelation (610 CE). Tabari also states that Ayesha was born in the pre-Islamic era (in Jahiliya). If she was born before 610 CE, she would have been at least 14 years old when she began living with the Prophet. Essentially, Tabari contradicts himself.
RE:RE:RE:RE:everything
by Ali boy on Apr 19, 2008 07:07 PM Permalink
EVIDENCE # 3: The Age of Ayesha in Relation to the Age of Fatima
According to Ibn Hajar, %u201CFatima was born at the time the Ka`bah was rebuilt, when the Prophet was 35 years old... she was five years older that Ayesha%u201D (Al-isabah fi tamyizi%u2019l-sahabah, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Vol. 4, p. 377, Maktabatu%u2019l-Riyadh al-haditha, al-Riyadh, 1978).
If Ibn Hajar%u2019s statement is factual, Ayesha was born when the Prophet was 40 years old. If Ayesha was married to the Prophet when he was 52 years old, Ayesha%u2019s age at marriage would be 12 years.
CONCLUSION: Ibn Hajar, Tabari an Ibn Hisham and Ibn Humbal contradict each other. So, the marriage of Ayesha at seven years of age is a myth.
RE:everything
by balaord on Apr 19, 2008 06:47 PM Permalink
is 52 an inappropriate age? Who defines it be inappropriate?his beloved wife Ayesha or people who come 1400 years after this knowing nothing about how they loved and lived.
The perception of old aged man is a flawed one. Prophet Muhammed lived 1400 years ago and was a real hero and thats why Ayesha was perfectly happy and at times even very envious of Prophet muhammed-s then deceased wife khadeja.
RE:everything
by Ali boy on Apr 19, 2008 06:48 PM Permalink
in the Yajñvalkya Smriri and its contemporary literature, we find that the fear of post-puberty marriages became so great that the Smitris brought the marriageable age of girls still lower. According to the Parashar Smitri and Sheeghrabodha the marriageable girls were divided into five categories:
1) Nagnika or naked. A girl seven years old or younger. This was regarded as best age for marriage.
2) Gauri. A girl eight years old.
3) Rohini. A girl of nine years old.
4) Kanya. A ten years old girl.
5) Rajaswala. A girl above ten years old.
According to Vaikhnasa, a Brahmin should marry a Nagnika since that is the best match. According to Marici the best age of marriage for a girl is five years old. Brahmapurana also prescribes marriage in childhood. Failure to do this will condemn the parents or gaurdian to utmost degradation.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:everything
by Ali boy on Apr 19, 2008 07:02 PM Permalink
It is a common fact..that young brides were common in india...there is no shame in it. Christian missionaries make it a point to dishonour a personality.....attack a personality and the idea will die...but they will never succeed.
RE:RE:RE:everything
by balaord on Apr 19, 2008 06:56 PM Permalink
who defines it as a child marraige, you delibrately want yto avoid the peer reviewed journals which I have quoted that proves a 9 year old of our time is not comparable to that few centuries ago.
Do you know there were many kinsg who went to battlefield at thae age of 10? can you imagine doing that today? To prove Ayeshas intellectual maturity you should know this -many of complicated islamic jurisprudence is based on Ayesha-s interpretation of Quran and Prophet Muhammed sayings.If Ayesha reasons it in a certain perspective,that is considered the most worthy interpretation above all.and also note - it is this Islamic law that is studied in the highest of law schools and forms significant part of many countries civil and crimnal law system
RE:everything
by Ali boy on Apr 19, 2008 06:46 PM Permalink
Are you sure she was 6. Please qoute me a hadith Make sure the source must be confirmed atleast by three narrators otherwise the hadith will be considered a zaeef...by the way do you know what a zaeef hadith means....
