As the Torch's last destination is going to be Tibet's himalayan region,So they have already made it a political issue for the Tibetans,so it is not fare to say its a sport and not politics,By taking the torch to Tibet,they are showing the world and ofcourse the Tibetans living in exile in all part of the world that Tibet is under china!What bugs me is that if they truely consider Tibet as their soil, why they treat Tibetans as a 2nd class.?Why so much descrimination,why they don't have equal rights as the chinese themselves?It would be a very good idea if Bush visits Tibet!
This has nothing to do with the commies. India is quiet because we don't want our butts kicked by powerful China. Loosing the border war when Nehru tried to increase india's land was bad enough. Why would we want to loose another war. Next time, China will annex AP, Sikkim, etc. China has better military power and better man power. We can't take on chinese brains.
RE:This has nothing to do with the commies.
by on Apr 17, 2008 02:29 AM Permalink
Please dont limit yourself by saying, I belong to this particular place, I am from that culture or I belong to this religion. It is like children saying, My dad is better than your dad, or My toy is better than your toy. I think most people around the world are stuck in that mental age group, just the toys have changed. Adults say, My country is better than your country or my religion is better than your religion.
A Christian will say, The Bible is truth, and a Hindu will say, The Vedas are the truth. They are very ancient. Muslims will say, The Koran is the last word of God. We attribute glory to something just because we are from that culture, not for what it is.
If one could take credit for all that exists throughout the ages and feel as though It belongs to me, then, that is maturity. This is my wealth because I belong to the divine.
The Divine, according to time and space, gave different knowledge in different places. One becomes the knower of the whole universe and can say all the beautiful flowers are from my garden.
The whole evolution of man is from being somebody to being nobody, and from being nobody to being everybody.
Have you observed that young children have that sense of belonging that oneness, that innocence? As we grew up we lost that innocence and became more cunning. The innocence of an ignorant man has no value, and the cunningness of an intelligent man also has no value.
Good Human is a rare combination of innocence and intelligence.
RE:This has nothing to do with the commies.
by deepak silswal on Apr 17, 2008 04:17 PM Permalink
Very true and i feel this is the best written as it speaks the truth.
RE:This has nothing to do with the commies.
by Vas on Apr 17, 2008 02:25 AM Permalink
We can easily take on their brains - they don't have much of that (trust me, I have worked with the chinese day in and day out, and they are more in awe of the Indian brain).
But what we don't have is their level of manpower, discipline, and inclination to kill. The chinese are born killers - at least they have been trained to become that way under 60 years of communism.
Indians roar like lion, but can never kill in a cold-blooded manner, like the chinese. Only in china or other communist countries, can a member of a family rat out his own family member to the communist authorities (for being a dissent), and not bat an eyelid while the family member is being dragged by the authorities to prison.
RE:This has nothing to do with the commies.
by Vishnu Sharma on Apr 17, 2008 04:10 AM Permalink
chinese have proven themselves to be subhumans with scant grace and culture.
What the Japanese did to them in Nanking was outstanding.
We Indians should also do the same to them in Lhasa.
China huminliated India in 1962 war. We lost because of Nehru's lack of vision, his lack of strategic thinking and spying by communists in India. We had plenty of brave army jawans and officers that could have kept china engaged for many many years, not thru open war but thru proxy wars. But Nehru caved in like a coward.
Besides usual public war agreements, then congress leaders to save their seat of power in Delhi entered into a secrete agreement with then chinese military generals that India will be a vassal state of China for 65 years. Since then congress whenever in power in Delhi has adopted beaten-up obedient cow like attitude in front of chinses bullying. Congress has systematically ignored India's strategic interests.
China poses a great threat to India thru its support to pakistan, support to maoists, control of rivers to east India etc etc.
Its best to abstain and keep surviving till the end rather than create more enemies. Working with a successful force is a good idea. That gives gains. India`s stand is very correct in regards to China. Or else US could have simply created another war between India and China by now. I am not communist and I dont support any political view. Going by rediff`s users ways some smartass is sure to reply with some shit to my opinion.
RE:India is doing the right thing
by Saagar Bhatia on Apr 16, 2008 11:06 PM Permalink
yes, we should keep quiet if china is willing to keep quiet on kashmir, but China has never called kashmir an "internal" affair of India, it always refers to kashmir as a regional "Indian AND Pakistani" issue. So, when I see India chickening out simply because Indians like you are scared of a war, I feel sad that we even bother fighting so many wars, getting independence and standing up to get freedom, all was a waste.
In fact, to give a tit-for-tat response, India should even have defence ties with Taiwan, like China has with Pakistan. But, Indians dont have the balls for that. We're too scared.
As far as having another war with China, trust me, China has a lot to lose today with foreign investment etc. if there is a war and India is no longer a roll-over anymore.
RE:India is doing the right thing
by Right on Apr 16, 2008 11:15 PM Permalink
Sir its not about war....as i said progress is more important and India can get more of it by working with China not against it. By giving an opinion on Tibet, China can get offended and that interest(progress) can get hampered. I am not saying India is weak or we chicken out fearing loss at war. I`m simply saying we choose progress instead of war and by not saying anything on tibet we are acheiving exactly that. Why create enemies when you can move forward by making friends..... We are not saying anything on tibet so how are working with or against Tibet? why do you think we are compelled to hold a stand on Tibet?
Indians are the most hypocrites. Next events Indians are going to see is widespread protests by North-East people in Delhi/Bombay/Bangalore against the atrocities of Indians/Indian Govt.
RE:What about Indian soldiers raping, Killing and torturing innocents in North-East India??
by Vishnu Sharma on Apr 17, 2008 04:12 AM Permalink
This Madhab Barma is a Communist scum. Kill communists where ever and when ever you see them.
RE:What about Indian soldiers raping, Killing and torturing innocents in North-East India??
by Vas on Apr 17, 2008 02:30 AM Permalink
Oi christo - shouldn't you be kneeling before your white masters - the one that fed you pages from the bible along with the good pint of christ's blood (whisky), and brain-washed you to fight other Indians.
You christos are creating more terrorism there, supported fully by the church in the west, who supply you with enough guns and grenades, and ideological literature to destory India.
I hve suggestion for you - Leave NE India and go settle in the bible-lands of the west! Either the vatican or Texas - take your pick!
RE:everyone knows
by Raghavendra Prasad on Apr 16, 2008 10:19 PM Permalink
This is the best reason I have seen. Good one Sonali. But, don't insult monkeys be comparing them with Communist idiots.
Without commies the govt will fall in minutes. Commies can ignore any blunders committed by this govt but they will not tolerate someone criticising their masters.
The fact is govt does not have to take sides but as a democratic country the Tibetians in India must be allowed to protest peacefully.
RE:Tibet
by Rupakshi on Apr 16, 2008 09:40 PM Permalink
If you go into centuries, India extends up to Manas Sarovar which is reached through Tibet. Meaning upto that the territory historically belongs to India-not China
RE:Tibet
by P Zipk on Apr 16, 2008 09:34 PM Permalink
Kashmir is part of india for centuries. I know Pakis and even some Indians would come up with some reason to claim their argument for Kashmir to be not part of India. But we all know it is bogus. The bottom line for these nutcases is Kashmir is Muslim majority so it doesn't belong in India.
Do some research beofre posting irrational comments here.
Nehru dynasty and his favourit general, the wicked Paul is the culprit here. Nehru's bad karma while seeking empty fame: 1. tried to stretch India's border too deep inside without any fall-back plan. 2. It's favourite General, Kaul didn't knew how to fight as his sole experience in WW-II was to entertain British troops. 3. India, under Kaul did not utilize it's air-force fearing Chinese air-power. In reality only India had air-field close to China border, a big big plus. Had India utilized it's air-force, the Indo-China war would have been something to be proud of.
It's time the youth takes over Indian politices, other wise God save India. Out PM should into his 50s and not 70s, at the most. Look at MACRO LEVEL and Narendra Modi is the perfect candidate.
Unity within Diversity. United we win, Divided we lose.
RE:Nehru, the culprit
by Ha ha hi hi on Apr 16, 2008 09:04 PM Permalink
Rahul Gandhi has ruled itself out from torch relay.. does BJP has guts... then why are they silent????
RE:Nehru, the culprit
by P Zipk on Apr 16, 2008 10:06 PM Permalink
What? rahul was invited by the Congress govt, but BJP was not. Why should BJP have "guts" to do something when they are not asked.
