Guru Nanak on Babur's atrocities: Having attacked Khuraasaan, Babar terrified Hindustan. The Creator Himself does not take the blame, but has sent the Mugal as the messenger of death. There was so much slaughter that the people screamed. Didn't you feel compassion, Lord?
pg (360) on the condition of Hindu women in Babur's monster rule: Those heads adorned with braided hair, with their parts painted with vermillion - those heads were shaved with scissors, and their throats were choked with dust. They lived in palatial mansions, but now, they cannot even sit near the palaces.... ropes were put around their necks, and their strings of pearls were broken. Their wealth and youthful beauty, which gave them so much pleasure, have now become their enemies. The order was given to the soldiers, who dishonored them [raped them], and carried them away. If it is pleasing to God's Will, He bestows greatness; if is pleases His Will, He bestows punishment
RE:BABUR, THE FOLLOWER OF CRIMINAL MOHAMMED!!!
by CHRISTIAN FANATIC on Apr 14, 2008 09:02 PM Permalink
Guru Nanak on Babur's atrocities: Source:Rag Asa
Guru Nanak Dev witnessed first hand the atrocities Babur committed on Hindus and recorded them in his poems. He says: Having attacked Khuraasaan, Babar terrified Hindustan. The Creator Himself does not take the blame, but has sent the Mugal as the messenger of death. There was so much slaughter that the people screamed. Didn't You feel compassion, Lord? pg (360)
On the condition of Hindu women in Babur's monster rule:
RE:BABUR, THE FOLLOWER OF CRIMINAL MOHAMMED!!!
by JGN on Apr 14, 2008 09:09 PM Permalink
Mr.tabraiz khan, are you now trying to match their record? The atrocities committed by the Churches in the past is no justification for the Islamic fundamentalism.
There is no separation of State from the Chruches in the islamic countries even now. Till the Chruches were in control of the affairs of the state, they also committed henious crimes on humanity.
Pl download and read The Necessity of Atheism" by Dr. D.M. Brooks available freely at Project Gutenberg. The said book contains graphic description of atrocities committed by the Christians and Muslims in Europe and other parts of the wrold.
Pl also read "A Thousand Splendid Suns" by Khaled Hosseini (it was published in 2006 or so) to understand what was the condition of Afghanistan under Taliban rule.
RE:Can any Muslim ''scholar'' clarify this?? by mmspm on Apr 14, 2008 08:29 PM @ wahaj wahaj says !!!"These people saw their happy families destroyed by these EVIL powers. So almost driven to insanity, they are seeking retaliation."!!!
in same manner many families destroyed by EVIL jihadis. Isnt this driven insanity ?
If you have any sense you wouldnt have made this comment.
I believe since you made this comment, you are one among those EVIL jihadis
This generated reaction and Jihadis came up to fight those powers who were destroying their lives. Example are USSR in Afghanistan, US Israel in Palestine, Russia in Chechenya.
If anything I Hate these EVIL POWERS more than I do to these BRUTALIZED People.
This generated reaction and Jihadis came up to fight those powers who were destroying their lives. Example are USSR in Afghanistan, US Israel in Palestine, Russia in Chechenya.
If anything I Hate these EVIL POWERS more than I do to these BRUTALIZED People.
After all ratio of BRUTALITY of EVIL WESTERN POWERS to these Jihadis is 10000:1
I have not lost sense of proportion like you seem to have.
If someone worships idols or animals, they are not harming me. Why should I hate them?
Worshiping idols is better than following a false prophet and killing innocent people. Babur, Mohammed Ghori, Mohammed Gazhni, Nadir Shaw, Timur Lang killed 100000 Hindus civilians [excluding the soldiers killed in war] during each of their invasions.
Caste system has many associated evils. But definitely caste system is not a system of mass murder like Islamic onslaught on unbelivers. Tell me where caste system killed in 1000s. Rarely a few dozens of people are killled. Islamic brutalism is worse than caste system. Caste system has weakened a lot. Hinduism has reformed a lot. But did Islam change or reform. It is only getting worse day after day.
"Untouchability" is worst form of discrimination ever practized in human History. Indians Hindus did it to their countrymen.
In Contrast...
Islam was Caste Less
Islam was Identified with POWER Group
Islam treated everyone equal.
Now why does it not occur to you guys that stage was all set for big conversion from Hinduism to Islam. why do you igore this fact, and keep crying without evidence that FORCE led to conversion.
RE:DID ISLAM NEED TO FORCE THEM ???
by JGN on Apr 14, 2008 08:12 PM Permalink
If that was the case, there would not have been any "dalits" in UP where the Muslims ruled for nearly 600 years and in Kerala where the Christian Missionaries were very active. Caste system exists in both Islam and Christianity.
So the equality in Islam and Christianity are just myths. Put the words "Caste system in Islam" in any internet serach engine and see the results.
Only time will tell who needs "psychiatric treatment" !
RE:DID ISLAM NEED TO FORCE THEM ???
by CHRISTIAN FANATIC on Apr 14, 2008 08:14 PM Permalink
Caste system has many associated evils. But definitely caste system is not a system of mass murder like Islamic onslaught on unbelivers. Tell me where caste system killed in 1000s. Rarely a few dozens of people are killled. Islamic brutalism is worse than caste system. Caste system has weakened a lot. Hinduism has reformed a lot. But did Islam change or reform. It is only getting worse day after day.
Afghanistan was harbouring Osama the terrorist, the follower of criminal Mohammmed. So USA attacked them.
When Islamic criminals, without any weapons, using civilian aircrafts could kill 3000 innocent people at WTC towers. It is natural for USA to fear what Jihadists would do if they have atomic weapons. It is natural for them to believe, if Islamic nations have atomic weapons, that they won't hesitate to attack US with atomic weapons. In fact Saddam had the amibitions of making atom bombs he even told one Indian scientist [probably Raja Ramanna] that he is ready to pay crores if he could help Iraq develop atom bombs.
So USA attacked Iraq with genune reasons, even though later those suspicions proved wrong.
Muslims don't fear their lives, they don't hesitate to die. Because they think they get big reward in heaven. Frankly speaking there is nothing called heaven. You life ends with your death.
Can any Muslim tell why 99% of the terrorists are Muslims. Whatever be the wars west fought, they changed overtime. But Islamic fundamentalism is only getting worse day after day.
RE:THERE IS NOTHIN ODD IN WHAT US AND BRIT DID IN IRAQ AND AFGAN !!!
by JGN on Apr 14, 2008 08:16 PM Permalink
Pl search for "The Skpetics Annotated Bible" That Site has category-wise verses like Contradiction, Absurdities, Hatred, etc from The Bible (both Old Testatemnt and New Testament), The Quran and The Book of Mormon. Pl read the same and understand for yourself.
RE:THERE IS NOTHIN ODD IN WHAT US AND BRIT DID IN IRAQ AND AFGAN !!!
by CHRISTIAN FANATIC on Apr 14, 2008 08:22 PM Permalink
I am not a fanatic follower of everything written in the Bible. I use my conscience to believe what is right and what is absurd.
Christianity changed overtime. Islam is getting worse day after day.
No, the muslim kings did not force anybody to convert. They gave the natives of India "a jadu ki jhappi" and asked them to convert. Lo and behold, the natives got converted!!!!!!!
RE:There was no forced conversion in Indian sub-continent
by Wahaj Faridy on Apr 14, 2008 08:10 PM Permalink
Hindus were ridden with caste discrimination.
They treated Low Caste as worse than animals.
"Untouchability" is worst form of discrimination ever practized in human History. Indians Hindus did it to their countrymen.
In Contrast...
Islam was Caste Less
Islam was Identified with POWER Group
Islam treated everyone equal.
Now why does it not occur to you guys that stage was all set for big conversion from Hinduism to Islam. why do you igore this fact, and keep crying without evidence that FORCE led to conversion.
RE:There was no forced conversion in Indian sub-continent
by JGN on Apr 14, 2008 08:14 PM Permalink
If that was the case, there would not have been any "dalits" in UP where the Muslims ruled for nearly 600 years and in Kerala where the Christian Missionaries were very active. Caste system exists in both Islam and Christianity.
So the equality in Islam and Christianity are just myths. Put the words "Caste system in Islam" in any internet serach engine and see the results.
Only time will tell who needs "psychiatric treatment" !
RE:There was no forced conversion in Indian sub-continent
by Wahaj Faridy on Apr 14, 2008 08:19 PM Permalink
How funny. You think in name of religion you can beat and humiliate a person, but he will not move over to side of one who embraces him with equality.
What is surprising if 3 out of 10 Moved out. That 7 didn't does not imply other 3 were Forced.
Is it not the same glorious Quran that is inspiration for all the "jihadis" to blow themselves up "in the cause of Allah"? Don't you think there is something wrong with a holy book that encourages its followers to commit suicide for rewards in an imaginary life hereafter?
RE:Can any Muslim ''scholar'' clarify this??
by JGN on Apr 14, 2008 07:50 PM Permalink
You mean to say that it the jihadis are blowing themselves up as a part of "Zionist conspiracy" ??
RE:Can any Muslim ''scholar'' clarify this??
by JGN on Apr 14, 2008 08:05 PM Permalink
Mr. Wahaj Faridy, you cannot fool anybody in today where information on any subject is available at the click of a mouse.
Pl search for "The Skpetics Annotated Bible" That Site has category-wise verses like Contradiction, Absurdities, Hatred, etc from The Bible (both Old Testatemnt and New Testament), The Quran and The Book of Mormon. Pl read the same and understand for yourself.
RE:RE:Can any Muslim ''scholar'' clarify this??
by Wahaj Faridy on Apr 14, 2008 08:12 PM Permalink
I have spent good time with such sites. I know they mis-represent what is written in Islam. Often they mis-translate on purpose to build their case
We should not run from the fact that the whole world is under great terror of our kaums terrorist activites its not only single country in the world blamming us but the whole world, we should try to turn the mind sets of our people and take them out of it.
3. Notion: Muslim Kings Served Islam by Destroying Temples Reality: Muslim kings - criminals that any king is - wanted big loot. That was their life agenda. They saw good opportunity of big loot in Hindu Temples because Hindu Temples had lots of offered Gold and Diamond Jewllary stocked. Many Muslim armies also looted Mosques where costly stones were used.
RE:DRESSING WOUNDS IS PAINFUL...BUT ESSENTIAL FOR HEALIN
by JGN on Apr 14, 2008 07:35 PM Permalink
Mr. Wahaj Faridy, yesterday you were talking in a different tone. You were claiming that the Muslim kings saved the Indian from the pagan idolators. How come the change of mind??
RE:DRESSING WOUNDS IS PAINFUL...BUT ESSENTIAL FOR HEALIN
by JGN on Apr 14, 2008 07:48 PM Permalink
Why are you indulging in misinformation compaign? Are you suffering from selective "amensia"?
Yestereday all the while you were praising the Muslim rulers and claiming that they saved the Indian from the idol worshipping paagans and today you are talking in a different tone.
Is the new tactic advised by the great Dr. Zakir Naik???
RE:DRESSING WOUNDS IS PAINFUL...BUT ESSENTIAL FOR HEALIN
by Wahaj Faridy on Apr 14, 2008 07:51 PM Permalink
Think harder man, it must have been someone else.
I do maintain that 1. Muslim Kings never forced conversions on Hindu Masses.
2. Muslim kings, like any other kings were criminals of humanity. Islam never accepted to live with kings. So these Muslim kings only operated outside of Islam
RE:DRESSING WOUNDS IS PAINFUL...BUT ESSENTIAL FOR HEALIN
by JGN on Apr 14, 2008 07:59 PM Permalink
Wahaj Faridy, pl don't bluff now. Anywaay the hindus in present day India are not bothered about what has been done or not done by the Islamic rulers.
It was only the ancestors of the present day Muslims in India who bore the burnt of the atrocities committed Islamic invaders. The Hindus and other natives of our country are the decedants of those who survived their vicious compaign.
If you want to treat the atrocities committed by the Invaders as an honour to your ancestors. nobody has any objection.
