What do Ramayana teach us ? What are the things that a good follower of Rama should adopt.Please enlighten me.Out of desire to know and not anything else
Ramayana teaches nothing. Yes. Ramayana does not teach anyone anything in the same didactical way other religions do since Ramayana is an epic which illustrates the lifestyle of men and women who follow or do not follow the path of Dharma. Dharma is an attitude of mind and nothing else. Sanatana Dharma believes that the actions of all spring from attitudes they have. If the attitude is right, then the actions are right and vice versa. This is illustrated vide a beautiful love story with all the ingredients that will hold an audience spellbound for hours on end. This is what Ramayana is. Ramayana is the story of Ram simply put. You learn what you can from the story. Sanatana Dharma has three basic texts: The Upanishads, The Bhagavad Gita, and The Brahma Sutra. All mythological writings or other literary works will adopt and adapt and will remain with the parameters of these three basic texts. Since there is no noteworthy translation of the Sanskrit text into English, I am not in a position to recommend a good one for your reading pleasure.
RE:With no Insult to Rama
by John on Apr 14, 2008 03:43 PM Permalink
well, Ramayan is an epic. Its not a simple story which teaches a moral. Rather we should consider it a complex series of stories interlinked involving all the emotions and variables of humanity like jealousy, power, strength, love, greed etc etc. Its not about saying whats good or whats bad. rather its about to show how the system is! you need not get enlightened after reading it! if you feel it its great....
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by John on Apr 14, 2008 03:45 PM Permalink
And about Hinduism. Its not a religion i say. Hinduism is a way of life. Hindus are the most tolerant beings on earth. they respect every form of life. Hinduism is not about following something which someone said as in case of christianity or islam.
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by Rationalist on Apr 14, 2008 04:02 PM Permalink
Yeah, for high IQ people you have 72 virgins in heaven and son of virgin. For low IQ/sinners berth is reserved in hell.
Ramayana teaches nothing. Yes. Ramayana does not teach anyone anything in the same didactical way other religions do since Ramayana is an epic which illustrates the lifestyle of men and women who follow or do not follow the path of Dharma. Dharma is an attitude of mind and nothing else. Sanatana Dharma believes that the actions of all spring from attitudes they have. If the attitude is right, then the actions are right and vice versa. This is illustrated vide a beautiful love story with all the ingredients that will hold an audience spellbound for hours on end. This is what Ramayana is. Ramayana is the story of Ram simply put. You learn what you can from the story. Sanatana Dharma has three basic texts: The Upanishads, The Bhagavad Gita, and The Brahma Sutra. All mythological writings or other literary works will adopt and adapt and will remain with the parameters of these three basic texts. Since there is no noteworthy translation of the Sanskrit text into English, I am not in a position to recommend a good one for your reading pleasure.
RE:With no Insult to Rama
by indianpatriot on Apr 14, 2008 03:39 PM Permalink
Praveen "GEORGE" ...Rama and Mahabharat never asked you to stop believing in Krishna and Ram and start believing in Jesus Christ....
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by Praveen George on Apr 14, 2008 03:43 PM Permalink
Is this what Ramayana taught you. I want a sane answer dude i am trying to understand the concepts.I want to become a hindu back only problem is i am not getting heads and tails on it.Both Islam and Christianity provides followers with a set of guidelines on how to live.THat is why they are successful religions. I am not yet convinced hinduism is a religion , so trying to understand
RE:With no Insult to Rama
by galilio on Apr 14, 2008 05:18 PM Permalink
praveen george,your name shows that u have got the background of christianity -can you explain inequality,inequity,social disparities,anomalies in humanrace without hinduism core belief of immortal soul,rebirths,karma,ultimate salvation which explains all concept of life including the departure of soul and its whereabout before taking re-birth or attaining final salvation. no other religion except hinduism can explain scientically give answer to all concepts and logic in life.why one should recite gayatri mandra 108 times-what is the significance of 108 -distance between earth and sun is 108 times the diameter of sun.similarly we have 27 stars (27 steps) to moon from earth and each star has four pathas = 4 x 27=108.similarly distance between moon and earth is 108 times the diameter of earth. i saw in one good website and verified with NASA website to show the correctness of our ancient rishes and yogis.
RE:With no Insult to Rama
by indianpatriot on Apr 14, 2008 03:45 PM Permalink
Praveen "George"....who are you to decide a head and tail of any religion....
Hinduism as a concept is more than 8 million years old ......is that not sufficient enough reason for you to stop following Christainity which is just 2000 years old ?
RE:With no Insult to Rama
by Rationalist on Apr 14, 2008 03:58 PM Permalink
If you look at it superficially it is a three line story. But you look into the details it explains how a civilized person should behave. That is what Arya stood for in those times meaning Civilized. It depicts how a responsible person should discharge his duties and showed how Rama did the same to perfection.
RE:With no Insult to Rama
by Ravan Raj on Apr 14, 2008 04:18 PM Permalink
Christianity says women made up of men's backbone.Is it possible pravin george to prove it scientifically.? 1)hINDUISAM SAYS BEING ON EARTH STARTED FROM WATER-MATSYA 2)tHEN NEXT LEVEL ONE BEING THAT CAN LIVE BOTH WATER AND LAND-KURMA 3)tHEN SOME MODIFICATION IN KURAM-vARAHA(PIG) ALMOST SAME GRAPHICAL STRUCTURE 4)THEN HALF MAN-HALF ANIMAL-NARASIMHA 5)fIRST HUAN BEING ON EARTH- bRAHMIN- vAMANA 6)tHEN lORAD SRIRAM- ULTIMATE KING ,HUSBAND, BROTHER, SON ALL 7) OTHER TWO RAMS BHARGAVA RAM, PARASURAM 8)A MAN WITH UNIDENTIFIED PERSONALITY-LORD KRISHNA AT LAST IN KALYUG
hUMAN GENERATION IMPROVE IN HINDUIST WAY.iTS NOT RELEGION FOR GIVING MEMBERSHIP LIKE A POLITICAL PARTY.ITS A WAY OF LIFE
RE:With no Insult to Rama
by Gyan Vedi on Apr 14, 2008 03:42 PM Permalink
Good question - i wud answer it briefly !
Rama's selfless service attitude, going to the forest to keep his father's word, lakshman following as an ideal brother, hanuman - an ideal follower ...
then rama's role as an ideal king, even in warfare he respected todays' modern protocols of chivalry ...
finally the sacrifice of sita to leave the palace to protect the dignity of the throne even when she was pregnant, so that the throne remained above preceived blemish
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by Praveen George on Apr 14, 2008 03:51 PM Permalink
Excellent . To me these qualities more seem christly, so i would say Rama was more or less the precedessor of christ, the selfless human being out there to serve the common folks. Now what is the problem in people living in peace and harmony instead of spreading hatred against each other. Did Rama told to spread hatred against others. Why are Indians so pathetically selfish in everything else other than in their own family, why is not any one following lord Ram in India. I would say lord ramas followers could easily replace the need of mother theresa and all the missionaries. Why are there no missionaries for lord ram who is out there to serve the needy people.Why can't followers of lord ram unite to help humanity as a whole to progress instead of establishing political parties and cast oriented societies that spew venom against fellow human beings?.Why does every indian need bribery, why is every autorikshaw driver a big cheat, why is people in india trying to cheat every one other than members of their family? To me the problems is not with religion it is with people, whether hindu muslim or christian if you are good your lord is good,if you bad it makes no sens even if your lord is the best lord .. How many people agree?
RE:With no Insult to Rama
by Gyan Vedi on Apr 14, 2008 03:55 PM Permalink
well praveen, ram is not to be justified by the followers, neither jesus (that selfless saint who went on the cross for no sin of his) ...
so as long as u can remember the followeres of ram/jesus what their original teacher told them, u are serving God ... bye
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by chetan kotur on Apr 14, 2008 03:44 PM Permalink
rama's role as an ideal king, even in warfare he respected todays' modern protocols of chivalry ... VERY VERY TRUE..
RE:With no Insult to Rama
by chetan kotur on Apr 14, 2008 03:43 PM Permalink
let me tell u something my friend.. try reading the bhagvat gita and compare to ur bible... i hv read both...well almost.. and to me they say the same thing..
RE:Great work!
by chetan kotur on Apr 14, 2008 03:47 PM Permalink
my friend pls read teh bhagvad gita(dont worry u will not become a hindu) or betray jesus.. many christians have read it..and gained much from it.. u shud too..
many non-hindus wonder why there are so many gods in hinduism and proclaim all are false gods......we have governments with president at the top to rule nations likewise there is an divine government in pararllel universe to monitor the life on earth with almighty heading the divine goverment.....and like prime minister, home minister there are 3 important gods brahma-the creator, vishnu-the preserver, shiva-the destroyer to assist almighty god.....the god himself creates confusions in humans to search him.....and the rest of the gods are also in divine cabinet....the parallel universe concept also getting acceptance in science today as an alternative theory to quatum mechanics.....we hindus pray gods of different forces of nature who are in god's divine cabinet but we all agree god is one and that is clearly stated in bhagavad gita....idolatory is designed for concentarion, instilling fear among wrong doers, and assuring confidence and bhakti among right doers....
RE:divine government
by Praveen George on Apr 14, 2008 03:39 PM Permalink
Shut the hell up dude,quantum mechanics and crap, there is a limit to uttering nonsense.Just don't make people laugh.
RE:RE:divine government
by on Apr 14, 2008 05:26 PM Permalink
Mr. Praveen, is making people laugh considered such a bad thing in your part of the world? You can choose not to visit this site or the content therein. If you are really interested in learning about Hinduism, there are a number of ways other than arguing here in a public forum.
Oh Hindus, Arise Awake come out of the influence of Christianity, Islam, secular crap and Communism.
Ramayan did happen in the Treta Yuga, Lord Ram was an avatar of Vishnu and he did exist !.
Mahabharata did happen. Lord Krishna did exist...
Please come back to the Hindu way of life. Forget differences between us and let us build a strong faith of Hinduism.
Understand the influence of the enemy...Lord Krishna says that if you have to defend Dharma then it is correct to even use unfair means to defend it.....Understand what Lord Krishna is saying.......
Islam is evil!!!!when will Hindus realize this??????........How many Avatars does Lord Vishnu have to take in Earth to wake up us foolish Hindus??????
For 1100 years Muslims have plundered, tortured and killed Hindus.......when will we Hindus open our eyes and see the reality???????
WE Hindus believe in Mahatma Gandhi but not in Rama/Krishna/Shiva?????
RE:Oh HINDUS WAKE UP
by Sheetal Kaur on Apr 14, 2008 03:51 PM Permalink
Hindus did open there eyes 300 years ago and Sikhs were born out of Hinduism to protect Hindus and fight Muslims which they did very bravely. And are still doing it. Sikh philosophy is to fight the evil in a person be it a Hindu or Muslim not fight there his faith. Sikhism has become a religion now but it was not A religion it was a regiment of fighters of good over evil.
RE:Oh HINDUS WAKE UP
by Sheetal Kaur on Apr 14, 2008 03:47 PM Permalink
They may have existed, but the way these epics are presented it looks like fairy tales a myth. All those flying high in the air including the chariots and the arrows with special power etc. All this look like a story from children's book. that is one reason why the moder people don't believe not only in Ramayana but questions have also been asked at highest level if Christ ever existed. Gandhi is believed in because his evidence is there,but believe him as a mahatma is a false thing to do he was no mahatma. Shri Ram, Shri Krishna, Gautama Buddha yes they wre mahatmas but not Gandhi.he was just another freedom fighter. Unfortunately there was no such technology to record the history and existence of Ram and Krishna, that is why the solid proof is not there. Some day I hope all this can be proved the search is on and perhaps some day evidence will also be found. Only time will tell but one thing for sure it will not be in our time.
RE:Oh HINDUS WAKE UP
by indianpatriot on Apr 14, 2008 03:50 PM Permalink
"They may have existed, but the way these epics are presented it looks like fairy tales a myth. All those flying high in the air including the chariots and the arrows with special power etc. All this look like a story from children's book. that is one reason why the moder people don't believe not only in Ramayana"
Hve you ever asked your mother whether she is the only your real mother or you are a adopted kid..Not to hurt you...As you believe in you Mom, similarly Hindus should believe in their God's existence. Some 8 Lac yrs ago..How can one expect any evidence to exist..Moreover..Hven't you heard of Chitrakoot, Ramtek, Nashik(Panchvati), and Rameshwaram..Are these not sufficient?
RE:Oh HINDUS WAKE UP
by Sheetal Kaur on Apr 14, 2008 06:40 PM Permalink
The modern youth believe in evidence, and not just talk Harish dewangan. Read my posting again I think that you have mis understood. It is not matter of reliving it is that the world is asking for proof and that is what the archaeologists are trying to do. Evidence has been found in the sea that a city did exist where Ram once was.(I cant remember the name of the city). when the documentary is shown again I will surly record and keep it. My posting was not to offend any one but simple to bring in light what the history is being portrayed as which is making the modern world think twice.
It is a fantastic article and it forced me to ask a simple question;
If we agree for a while that Adams Bridge was not man made, those who opposing it should explain that why the both sides of this bridge are having good curves. As far as my knowledge is concerned ( though I am a common man having no technical background) , no other place (borders of continents) in this planet is having such smooth borders if otherwise man made. They have to compare edges of Adam Bridge with the edges of any other continents.
Regarding the Nasa%u2019s email to N K Raghupati, Nasa is ultimately an European agency and they will never encourage finding the authenticity of Ram as it will later increase the popularity of India, which they don%u2019t like.
RAM has existed no question about, he was a powerful king who used Arrows in metal, during his period others used arrows in wood. The question here is how he became GOD. According Veda's GOD is omnipotent and it preaches only one GOD.
RE:RAM
by Jaffer Ali on Apr 14, 2008 03:52 PM Permalink
Harish, here the matter is not about existence but about worshiping. Once its not to hurt the sentiments, my point is that Vedas are telling that GOD is omnipotent but present day Hinduism have multiple GODS. I hope all you Hindus still believe vedas but how many of you read it??
RE:RAM
by harish dewangan on Apr 14, 2008 04:21 PM Permalink
take ur point..It is bcoz of external influence..If we start sanskrit in schools these Secular netas say it is a BJP agenda..Then who is going to read these scriptures if we don't know sanskrit. The Hindu nation and its spirit is getting spoilt in this politics of psedo-secularism..Congress Govt was in power when Sikhs were brutally murdered ..And BJP was in power at the time of Babri masjid demolition...So both are the faces of same coin..
RE:RE:RAM
by harish dewangan on Apr 14, 2008 03:58 PM Permalink
We hve no multiple gods. God is one and he's Lord Vishnu.
All others are demigods except for Lord Shiva and Brahma who created everything on instruction of God.
Not to hurt sentiments as you said..God descended as an avatar ..There are 12 till now including Lord Rama and Lord Krishna..& this happened in Hinduism ...Islam - Prophet said that he was messenger of Allah..And Jesus Christ also siad the same.
RE:RAM
by Gyan Vedi on Apr 14, 2008 03:38 PM Permalink
i appreciate your way of thinking ... but even the vedas, composed before ramayan, speak of the coming of the avatar in human form in raghu dynasty ! thats Shri Ram ... his arrival was prophecied much before his incarnation
RE:RAM
by Jaffer Ali on Apr 14, 2008 03:49 PM Permalink
Gyan, I am not here to hurt the sentiments, GOD will never born as human, GOD has no birth or death. This is what the Vedas telling, the Vedas and Koran telling the almost the same, GOD is omnipotent. If that is mentioned in Veda's Avtar means [Prophets] then he should be a messenger to GOD, a man should not be worshiped.
RE:Allah ne kaunsa saal me bola apni bahan se shadi karo?
by chetan kotur on Apr 14, 2008 03:35 PM Permalink
Champak.. i understand u r hatred for moslems.. bt we must love thm as well..as they are humans first..and then second moslems.. pls stop spreading hatred , spread love instead..which is becoming rare..
RE:Allah ne kaunsa saal me bola apni bahan se shadi karo?
by Sandeep Thakur on Apr 14, 2008 03:42 PM Permalink
Please stop spreading stupid things... I think we all are indians first ...then Hindu muslim...etc.... please all of u stop spreading nonsense
RE:Simple Question to Muslims
by tauseef khan on Apr 14, 2008 04:26 PM Permalink
Question: 1. I as a human: if i make a machine consider a robot,then is it possible for me to become robot?There will always a difference between human and robot as robot are made by human so its not possible for human to take form of robot.
Similarly if God makes Human, then God will never become human as humans is god's creation, why will he become human. Saying that God took form of human to resolve human problems is strange.When God made human he can resolve the problem of Human by remaining God.
2. Now if God took form of Human and was in India then at that point who was taking care of people in Africa or Europe who even didn't knew God is on earth saving his wife and Kingdom.
3. Valmiki himself wrote Ram as brave and noble king he never mentioned him as GOD, even vedas says God doesn't have form...etc..then why making a human a GOD. 4. For all those who doesn't know about word " ALLAH", its a arabic word which means GOD(in english),BHAGWAN(in hindi),LORD,ELLAH(in hebrew).ALLAH is not a human it means god in arabic language.
5. Even vedas talks about messengers similarly Ram can be a messenger like messengersJesus(PBUH),Moses(PBUH),Muhammad(PBUH)etc...
6. Mariage: No religion in this world even mentions how many wife a man can have, take King Dashrath, pandavas, krishna etc...who had more than one wife.It was only in ISLAM restriction on having number of wives was given, No other religious scripts have divorce law but Quran has it. Hindu law wh
RE:Simple Question to Muslims
by Jaffer Ali on Apr 14, 2008 03:38 PM Permalink
I too will dive because Allah gave me all strength to save my children, yes its a power given to me by Allah. GOT IT???
