By making such a lengthy presentation you have only confused people. Why you felt the neeed to prove that Sri Ram did exist?
Every Hindu believes in his existence and muslims too feel that in each era Allah(Brahma) had sent His messengers on earth and Sri Ram may be one such messenger of Allah who guided the people at that time for a better way of life.In other words muslims do not deny the existence of Sri Ram. Only difference between the interpretation of Hindu & Muslim is that while Hindu brotherns believe that Sri Ram was a Bhagwan or Avtar of Bhagwan and we the muslims believe that Sri Ram was a meessenger of Brahma(Allah) who guided the people at that time to lead a better life.
The reason why muslim believe that Sri Ram was a messenger is that it is not necessary for Brahma(Allah) , the creator of universe to come on earth and take human form to guide the mankind.Brahma(Allah)reveals to the chosen one the right path to be followed and to some prophets the books were also provided. We believe that the last & final testament was Al-Quran and follow it.
With such lengthy discussion you have confused everyone. The issue that you should discuss is the true teachings of Sri Ram if it exists in unadultrated form and its relevence and importance in modern context.
The humanity will benifit a lot if the true teachings of Sri Ram are preached and practiced.
RE:RE:Sri Ram
by Aftab on Apr 14, 2008 04:18 PM Permalink
Amol You are behaving like an ostrich. Read the last testament of Brahma known as Al-Quran and then reject its teaching. I am confident you can not reject even a single verse of it.
RE:Sri Ram
by shah jafar on Apr 14, 2008 04:20 PM Permalink
u r right , i am happy with ur reply and comments aftab. we have to show maturity as there is section of people who always use abusive words as they have no belief of their own. i have seen many of their ilk, they pay bribe, dont pay bills, abuse their parents, wife, daughters and talk great. best to ignore them. meanwhile congrates u put nice comments, brother we have to show this maturity.
RE:Sri Ram
by knowsoft on Apr 14, 2008 04:24 PM Permalink
Afatb, You have written that there is no need for Creator (Brahma) to come on Earth and take human form. Please note that according to scriptures, not Brahma but Vishnu incarnated on Earth. You may say that there was no need for Vishnu to come. Agreed but if He wants to come, then nothing can stop Him. He is God. If He wants to incarnate, then He will.
RE:Sri Ram
by shah jafar on Apr 14, 2008 04:31 PM Permalink
yeah its only commonality of belief. we believe God has sent his messanger at different times in history of humankind , we dont know about all of them but believe that messangers do came. U put it as incarnation of God(whatever name u call, and as far as i know Hindu to believe that there is only one God;Brahma, that is omnipresent, without any shape, picture .)Sothats the question of belief , i fail to understand we never question somebody belief but people use lot of bad words about our belief. Its only because our strength in our belief that we brush those comments aside and never respond with bad words.
RE:Sri Ram
by knowsoft on Apr 14, 2008 04:44 PM Permalink
In Hinduism, there is Brahma and there is Brahma. Both are written the same way in English but written differently in Sanskrit and also pronounced differently. In one, the last a is short a and in the other the last a is long a like Brahmaa.
RE:Sri Ram
by DP on Apr 14, 2008 04:31 PM Permalink
Dear Aftab,
Ur interpretations are wrong. Brahma created the universe on the order of GOD(Vishnu/Shiva - Vishnu and Shiva are same)
I appreciate the way the column has been written to put in all details so briefly. Even i knew all this truth but would have taken pages to explain all this.
We hindus beleive Allah, Ram, Krishna are One. Sai Baba of Shirdi too had the same opinion. Saibab said in his saicharitra, just by writing Shree Ram on the stones, the stones started floating. Such is the power in GODS name if we take it by pure heart.
It is very true that the science that we have learned from west is mostly false and fabricated.
Even the best of inventions were done by Indians. For e.g. Zero,Pythagoras Theorem, Astrology, Surgery, Invention of TV(Bose), Gemology, Shedding off Evil by Yagnas. Yagnas(reciting of vedic mantras) are capable of changing DNA structure and is proved scientifically.
I really appreciate that uve understood the teachings of RAM. May ALLAH bless u!
I hope one day everyone will stop fighting when they understand that GOD cannot be defined as form or een "no form".
No one can doubt even,GOD is so humble that he can test his devotee in the form of an animal too. History and Facts prove it so many times. We cannot define the all pervading Vishnu - thts why HE is called VISHNU - Who is present in every atom and even in the atom of atoms and who is always multiplying.
RE:Sri Ram
by Anuj Yadav on Apr 14, 2008 05:00 PM Permalink
Kaash sabhi tumhare jaisa sonchte...Aftab.... There would be no fight at all.... All the very best to you
RE:Can anyone help me.
by caspian on Apr 14, 2008 04:18 PM Permalink
all indians are asurs i think bcoz aryans came from central asia so may be indians(dravidians) has kidnapped his wife as revange to the oppresors. ravana was battling with original indians like modern days south india ceylon
It is same problem with wikipedia where lot of historical content is interpreted based on western or foreign notions of history. It is very interesting to re-discover the history of Ram for e.g. I used the net to quench my query from which place did Ravana kidnapped Sita..and based on info available on net, it came out to be in present Andhra Pradesh near the banks of Godavari. It is about effort of re-discovering ourselves with effort than rejecting oneself into what is preached.
RE:Same problem
by Murali K. Vemuri on Apr 14, 2008 04:46 PM Permalink
I completely agree with you. Some of the so called "educated" people have trouble in re-discovering our own land's heritage, Though same people don't have any trouble in accepting the west's view of what India was.
I have been reading rediff articles since many years. I rate this one of the best article with others like a rikshaw pullers son selected for IAS. Excellent.
This is great example that before religion pepole bow blindly. People do not choose religion and political system they only follow them in which they are borned Please try to understand that Christenity is panrium IV and Islam is Pantium V processer.
RE:Liberate your Mind to liberate your Soul
by Bhajiya on Apr 14, 2008 04:05 PM Permalink
All citation and translation of Ramayana from various work of fiction, Novel, Imaginary tale, creative writing, literature. Research wing of RSS and Hindu fundamentalist organizations who are spreading myths all over world should not taken as fact because they are doing this business since many decades specially after independence. There is not Hindu religion and Idol worshipers world over cannot be treated as Hindu because in various part of the world since beginning of civilization idol worshiping was trend such as Pyramids in Egypt, Inca and Maya civilizations and African Tribes are idol worshipers do not mean all are Hindu. Similarly in India majority of people worship different idols which are no t matching to the so called popular idol gods because each tribe and sect has their own idol which is worshiped during social rituals such as birth, death, celebrations, marriages, etc they are not these so called mythological idols such as- Shankar, Vishnu, Brahma, Ganesh, and like many identified from the tale of imaginary stories. The word %u201CHindus%u201D is concept ofspecifically is Brahmin caste from the north India who spread many parts of India like %u201CBhaiyya%u201D being instrument of mobilization of some rituals and idol worshiping and spread of %u201CRamayana Story Telling Art Form, Mahabharata Story Telling Art Form, and then playing drama and classical dancing and musical recital based on this Ramayana and Mahabharat makes this tale more popular.
RE:RE:Liberate your Mind to liberate your Soul
by DP on Apr 14, 2008 04:35 PM Permalink
Chambooo the whole world was Hindu! and the language was Sanskrit.
RE:RE:Liberate your Mind to liberate your Soul
by Bhajiya on Apr 14, 2008 04:05 PM Permalink
But that does not mean these stories were part of historic act or lived by true human being not at all. This is witnessed only after independence the Brahmin forces branded and sold them and spread in the name of culture, art, history, mythology and as much as they could do in spreading myth to the people of India and it was neither recognized nor rejected and in the dormant state because of harmony nature of society which predominantly idol worshiping there was no harm to another sect of same idol believers. But today this seems to be game plan to establish to as one religion and gathering under one codification of word %u201CHindu%u201D is absolutely myth and bogus knowledge about Indian civilization and ethnicity and respect to their existence as independent identity for idol worshiping outside branded idols from this stories as leading idols for worshiping is taking advantage of public%u2019s reverence to Brahmin culture in last 60 years. Every Indian community has their own KULDEVATA and idols for performing rituals which is not this so called modern days SYMBOLIC GODS from story books.
RE:Liberate your Mind to liberate your Soul
by DP on Apr 14, 2008 04:34 PM Permalink
Bhajiya do u mean to say Mohammed sold his story of Violence in the name of Islam? And we see it coming true too! U people are disgrace on ALLAH
RE:Liberate your Mind to liberate your Soul
by aus ant on Apr 14, 2008 04:13 PM Permalink
Pls excuse this OBC moron Bhajiya. He has very deep inferiority complex. He can only copy-paste. He has no originality, whatsoever. He blames his incompetence on other communities.
Are all the 'Hindus' here so insecure about their religion. What difference does it make if some retards in the Congress say that Ram did not exist? If you believe that he did, isn't that enough? Or are you on a trip to prove that he existed because it makes your religion legitimate?
RE:How insecure are you about your religion?
by sanjay choudhry on Apr 14, 2008 04:07 PM Permalink
Are you smoking pot? How did you arrive at this conclusion?
RE:RAM ?????
by Anuj Yadav on Apr 14, 2008 04:52 PM Permalink
Mr. Periyar, I think you have not read what Dr Satya Pal Singh has written. Please go through it properly..... Imagin we Indians thought about man made flying objects thousands of years befor the morden day AEROPLANES could fly. Take a positive constructiive approach in what ever you do..... "Life will be beautiful"
RE:RAM ?????
by Aditya on Apr 14, 2008 04:40 PM Permalink
Ram was a historical figure and he probably did exist. The article is well reasearched and also its true that I can think of cities like Harappa and Mohenjo Daro with such planned cities... its inconceivable to think that such plans were instructed without the art of writing.... I dont care if Ram Sethu was manmade or not... but if it helps maritime operations to build a free passway in the water cutting down the time needed by ships i am all for it. When no conclusive proof remains no need to sit and wonder if ram existed or not for buildign the water channel....
RE:RAM ?????
by AV on Apr 14, 2008 04:27 PM Permalink
every religion has that fiction type stories... jesus's rebirth is it really true or did he have a duplicate like Don... jesus's mother is considered to be a virgin so how did she became pregnant unless she went to an Indian sage who blessed her...
or what about Noah's arc... a ship built by god to save him while god went and destroyed the rest of the mankind... so was Noah god's love child or something..
and then we have this moses fellow who supposedly raised his staff over the sea and split it. Now that to me is more like a Harry Potter stick coming into play... the stories of bible can become a bigger blockbuster than Harry Potter I think..
I believe that Ram existed, I believe Ram setu was built by his army, I believe in Ramayana and its preachings.. don't need the freaking Archaeological departments or Pappu Periyar's permission to do so...
RE:RAM ?????
by sanjay choudhry on Apr 14, 2008 04:03 PM Permalink
Can you prove a dead body comes alive and flies, or a horse has wings which took Mohammad to Jerusalem?
RE:RAM ?????
by Periyar on Apr 14, 2008 04:10 PM Permalink
Wrong question to me....Let me Prove Ramayana a myth....let me think about my own religion beliefs....I can prove Ramayana is nothing but a myth...fiction...Read Periyar's RAMAYANA-A true reading
To me these qualities more seem christly, so i would say Rama was more or less the precedessor of christ, the selfless human being out there to serve the common folks. Now what is the problem in people living in peace and harmony instead of spreading hatred against each other. Did Rama told to spread hatred against others. Why are Indians so pathetically selfish in everything else other than in their own family, why is not any one following lord Ram in India. I would say lord ramas followers could easily replace the need of mother theresa and all the missionaries. Why are there no missionaries for lord ram who is out there to serve the needy people.Why can't followers of lord ram unite to help humanity as a whole to progress instead of establishing political parties and cast oriented societies that spew venom against fellow human beings?.Why does every indian need bribery, why is every autorikshaw driver a big cheat, why is people in india trying to cheat every one other than members of their family? To me the problems is not with religion it is with people, whether hindu muslim or christian if you are good your lord is good,if you bad it makes no sens even if your lord is the best lord .. How many people agree?
RE:Since this merits a seperate discussion - Re posting
by Satyanarayana Murthy on Apr 14, 2008 05:19 PM Permalink
My dear Christian Fellow, You have shown age old English Tactic by supressing your own black motive and mistrusting others. These Muslim invaders and English evils have robbed most innocent, pure and vedic Indians for centuries and it is in turn the Indians whose eternal property is their wisdom, patience and learned which made them to the great heights of the world. When Muslim invaders have used their religious atrocities to forcebly convert indians into their religion by torturing the so called convert's parents, relatives in all madness, English have used some other tactics of bribing, partiality and suppression to convert these indians into Christianity. When I was working in an Australian Company, I know how one Indian christian had evoked religious favouritism in the minds of our Australian managers to spread evil about other fellow indians and benefitted from such tactics. But at the end of the day, he had several problems from the same people and quit the company in the mid of the project. Finally it is the Muslim invaders and English christians who taught all the Immoral values in the minds of the Indians for the past 750 years. There is no missionary required for Lord Rama because he never resorted to Paid propoganda. Your understanding about India is too confined and confused. You never knew the level of bribery outside India. If you go outside world, cheating is everywhere. You must be feeling an alienated feeling in your birth country. Let the good mannerisms s
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by ashish solanki on Apr 14, 2008 04:17 PM Permalink
I think, you don't meet peoples that are bind togather in a family, yes honesty, love, kindness till now alive, if you wants to see come at my village, {Sundrel, Dist. dhar, MP}, i promise you i will change your thinking. not every rikshwala in liar,not every indian is selfish, family value till date still alive. get well soon :)
RE:Since this merits a seperate discussion - Re posting
by Sahadevan KK on Apr 14, 2008 04:09 PM Permalink
Today, a lot of people discuss about creamy layer. What is the creamy layer?
Creamy layer is a layer like the same on milk. As we know, the layer is created after mixing milk very well.
Sangh Parivar does the same thing. First divide people in Dalit, Christian, Muslim, SC, ST, common man, upper caste, etc. in separate columns. Then create communal violence in its own community like Godhra train carnage. Then the leaders have no work, but sit back. Mad people of the communities will do their work. After a short while, a juicy cream of blood and body will be created. In the previous years, that was used a lot to fulfill the leader's desire.
RE:Since this merits a seperate discussion - Re posting
by sanjay choudhry on Apr 14, 2008 04:04 PM Permalink
Christian priests are humping children every day.
RE:RE:Since this merits a seperate discussion - Re posting
by Infosys on Apr 14, 2008 04:28 PM Permalink
because they pig shits and want to put their head above the flies
Pity the person who is investigated by this Commissioner of Police. He probably goes into a trance and waits for Shri Ram to tell him about the persons innocence or guilt. It is exactly this recitation of flights of fancy that makes India seem to be lost in a world and time of its own. We live in a nation where we are unable to feed all of our citizens and "respected" Government Employees of Sh. Satya Pal's ilk are lost in flights of fancy. The progress of our Nation is held up because we are unable to deal with the present. If Shri Ram existed he would more likely be pleased if we work to make India a Ram Rajya again. Proving or disproving whether he existed will accomplish little.
