caste politics is a shame ...the present unworthy and littered lot of Indian Politicians take the Country to Ransom and just rob it of its due...these Politicians are not only reckless but have no understanding of the future in a way that they are damaging the future of their own future-generations.
RE:caste politics is criminal
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 07:51 PM Permalink
yes caste is good as long as you get special favours right? you had the advantage for 2000 years and now that some of it is being chipped away in favour of the oppressed you start crying and whining!
RE:caste politics is criminal
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 08:06 PM Permalink
you untie someone who is in shackles for 2000 years and then you expect them to compete with you on equal terms? how audacious? reservation is the mechanism to compensate their shunted growth and penalise your genetic advantage which was built over the years using unfair means.
RE:RE:caste politics is criminal
by BlueBoy on Apr 12, 2008 08:31 PM Permalink
Really Mr. saint! If you think like shackled....you can never come out of the shackle.....even after getting admission into IIT with reservation. It's the bright thinking and attitude....that you need to install into your mind.....not the RESERVATION. Do you think OBC are the only oppressed in India? Even, there are kshyatrias, brahmins or uppercasts those are oppressed too. What kind of Justice you wanna give them...10% reservation.
Work hard....study hard and fight. Lift your spirit...then only you can feel like everyone in India.
RE:RE:RE:caste politics is criminal
by BlueBoy on Apr 12, 2008 08:32 PM Permalink
Really Mr. saint! If you think like shackled....you can never come out of the shackle.....even after getting admission into IIT with reservation. It's the bright thinking and attitude....that you need to install into your mind.....not the RESERVATION. Do you think OBC are the only oppressed in India? Even, there are kshyatrias, brahmins or uppercasts those are oppressed too. What kind of Justice you wanna give them...10% reservation.
Work hard....study hard and fight. Lift your spirit...then only you can feel like everyone in India.
RE:caste politics is criminal
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 08:02 PM Permalink
Sure but we need to have socially euality first. In form of removal of caste system from our society.
RE:caste politics is criminal
by BlueBoy on Apr 12, 2008 08:12 PM Permalink
There is no LAW in india that says a Brahmin is superior to a SC. We have this bad caste system for a long time.....we have to show courage to eradicate this....like the way we got rid of the "child marriage" issue. You have to teach your children that nobody is superior or inferior in India....so do I. Our hostory books need to be changed and reflect these lines too.
RE:caste politics is criminal
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 07:53 PM Permalink
Then remove the caste from the society so that none caste based politics can be continued. Remove the caste from the every aspect of life including marriage. Go and marry a girl without asking about his caste or better marry someone belonging to dalit caste in order to reform social equality. And if you don't have courage to do so then please keep quiet and don't speak over this issue. As you are also the one, who is supporting the reservation like OBCs and SC/ST.
RE:caste politics is criminal
by jamaalgota on Apr 12, 2008 09:01 PM Permalink
What do you mean by Go and marry .....? You think any boy can go and hold a dalit girl and marry her even against her wishes under the garb of social reformist? If so, you are living in a fool's paradise that is created by the politicians. There are so many inter-caste marriages taking place between the so called upper-lower caste, which obviously you do not seem to be or want to be aware. Are these not the signs of social reforms? Reforms do not happen in a day. It takes time but important thing is to look at it positively. If you are bent upon ignoring the reforms and go on beating around the bush shouting of social discrimination then nobody can help you. You need to break the shackles of your mindset.
hey all memebers of youth for equality its time to leave pen and pick guns for our rights. We did shoe polish a lot of satyagraha we followed gandhiji but todays congress party dont listen to gandhi so we need to remember shree bhagat sinh and subhashchandraji lets do rang de basanti we need a natiowide movement every one is sold here even supreame court judges work on direction of centre ministery as they have to work as well no ofence to them but only way left for us is to pick guns.
RE:time to leave pen and pick guns
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 07:49 PM Permalink
You are talking about the Youth of equality. Yesterday only the guy belonging to dalit caste has been killed because of loving a girl belonging to upper caste. If you still think that youth of this nation are having same environment and treatment through society.
RE:RE:time to leave pen and pick guns
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 07:51 PM Permalink
He was also the son of this Mother INDIA, like you and me Mr. If your real brother has been killed because of same act then surely you wouldn't have dare to talk about the youth of equality.
RE:time to leave pen and pick guns
by BlueBoy on Apr 12, 2008 07:59 PM Permalink
My prayers with the boy who got killed. This is an act of barbarism....use of muscle power. Cops will take appropriate action.
How could have it been different if that guy would have had 27% reservation?
RE:time to leave pen and pick guns
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 08:05 PM Permalink
You are right but the situvation has been totally different. If there wasn't any kind of caste system in our society. The girls parents were never knowing to which caste he is belonging. He might has been living, his parents would have might feeling happy over getting their daughter in Law.
RE:time to leave pen and pick guns
by BlueBoy on Apr 12, 2008 08:39 PM Permalink
I too agree that there should not be any caste system. This kind of unfortunate situation can avoided if there will not be any caste system.
However, reservation for OBC is not going to change this perception....rather it will devide the society even further.
If you really feel for the issue in India...then it's time to stand up and start teaching your kids or around.
RE:time to leave pen and pick guns
by rahul sharma on Apr 12, 2008 08:07 PM Permalink
be honest and tell me before this all act came how many people were talking about this things. Before arjun singh talked about this praposal in all medical colleges students from all the castes were sitting together and having food. Since the day all this started they were divided all of them started fighting so tell me what is dividing them its just act like this deviding them for god sake use ur commonsene. if there is a bunch of paper and some one ask u to sort them how u gonna divide them they are united untill and unless u were ask them to devide based on size of colour or some other charateristics and that what this politicians are doing this is not a rocket science try to understand whats been goin on and save our country jai hind
RE:RE:time to leave pen and pick guns
by mahabodhi on Apr 12, 2008 08:33 PM Permalink
Mr. Rahul this act was already put by NDA before the Parliament but the BOLKE PANDITS BJP never approved it!When UPA came which also claims to be aam aadmi party has no choice but to put before Parliament and entire Parliament passed it with out even one voice against it!BJP is playing double cross!Get to know the truth first and then post your messages!And evry upper caste here is saying rather threatening that they will leave India for good and settle in US!It will be better for you and India if you people do so!India will survive and be better place with out the upper caste CASTESIST PEOPLE!It is strange that you think that with out you India will be dead country!One can only pity such views!
RE:time to leave pen and pick guns
by mahabodhi on Apr 12, 2008 08:32 PM Permalink
Mr. Rahul this act was already put by NDA before the Parliament but the BOLKE PANDITS BJP never approved it!When UPA came which also claims to be aam aadmi party has no choice but to put before Parliament and entire Parliament passed it with out even one voice against it!BJP is playing double cross!Get to know the truth first and then post your messages!And evry upper caste here is saying rather threatening that they will leave India for good and settle in US!It will be better for you and India if you people do so!India will survive and be better place with out the upper caste CASTESIST PEOPLE!It is strange that you think that with out you India will be dead country!One can only pity such views!
RE:time to leave pen and pick guns
by rahul sharma on Apr 12, 2008 09:31 PM Permalink
dont teach me what the truth is no matter who made this only matter is who passed its who brought it to parliament i m not only against congress i m against whoever devide my country my pople my brothers and sister on name of some stupid things putting reservation will never bring equality but its gonna devide our country u thick brains
RE:time to leave pen and pick guns
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 08:22 PM Permalink
Just be honest and reply me one thing. If you were the father of that guy, who was killed yeterday only for because of loving a girl belonging to upper caste. How you would have been feeling for living in this nation.
RE:RE:time to leave pen and pick guns
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 08:25 PM Permalink
Yes but in order to form the bunch of paper with equal similarity. You have to remove the caste system totally from our life including marriage. If you really have a courage to do so then think about coming out of this tuff condition. None one is mattering here neither arjun singh nor shalu or rahul here. The most important thing here is the removal of reservation through our nation. This can only be removed by forming social equality first. Remove the caste from our life first, we won't be needing any kind of reservation.
RE:RE:RE:time to leave pen and pick guns
by mahabodhi on Apr 12, 2008 08:34 PM Permalink
Mr. Rahul this act was already put by NDA before the Parliament but the BOLKE PANDITS BJP never approved it!When UPA came which also claims to be aam aadmi party has no choice but to put before Parliament and entire Parliament passed it with out even one voice against it!BJP is playing double cross!Get to know the truth first and then post your messages!And evry upper caste here is saying rather threatening that they will leave India for good and settle in US!It will be better for you and India if you people do so!India will survive and be better place with out the upper caste CASTESIST PEOPLE!It is strange that you think that with out you India will be dead country!One can only pity such views!
RE:time to leave pen and pick guns
by rahul sharma on Apr 12, 2008 09:39 PM Permalink
hey dear i think this inequality is not anywhere but its in ur mind read my any post and what i m writing is we all are humanbeens all indians are my brother and sisters (as my wife is british ) no matter what caste ur. its u people saying that we are from obc and we need reservation its u urself telling that ur backward none of the other pople u wont find my single post were i m descriminating between u and me i always say us but i think ur such a thick brain u cant understand rather dont wanna understand as ur next desire is to get reservation in private firms god bless u and india
Oh come on. I need those who were opposing the reservation through this nation. However, just read my previous posting and come with appropiate reply for my quarrys.
RE:Come on
by anil s pillai on Apr 12, 2008 10:22 PM Permalink
Shalu is thinking only about marriage.Leave her Blue Boy.She is in her Utopia which is away from reality (Like most of the girls)!
It pains to see such insensible decisions by SC. I came USA for higher studies and I was thinking to relocate myself this year in India. But I think this dream will never take shape. I am hurt and smoked.
RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 07:46 PM Permalink
whatever i am doesn't change who are - a slimy opportunist whose love for India is conditional and based on whether things are in your favour or against!
RE:RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by sonali on Apr 12, 2008 07:57 PM Permalink
Everything is conditional in the world.You are there because you don't have capablity to come in main stream. You need support of reservation and the corrupt judiciary to show that you are equal to others. If you guts file a suit against the castism. I am sure you will never because you will lose advantage of being in reservation.
RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 08:12 PM Permalink
I have guts, i am agreed to marry someone without asking his caste. I am ready to leave the name of my caste from my name. Do you have guts to do the same. If yes then let's each of us leave the caste and come out of it. In order to form social equality.
RE:RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 07:46 PM Permalink
Just turn back today's Times of INDIA edition. If your brother has been killed on account of such act then surely you could have understand the pain of being from such community.
RE:RE:RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by sonali on Apr 12, 2008 07:53 PM Permalink
did you guys ever file a suit in SC to remove cast system? You all want to remain in cast system so that you can enjoy such dirty politics. what the written in TOI and somewhere ! You don't have your own opinion to show.
RE:RE:RE:RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 08:14 PM Permalink
Why do i need to file against of this act. Why don't you go and file against of this act. You are equally representing this nation like me. If your sense say that whatever happend is totally right then i don't have any point to argure with you. As you are killing your innersense.
RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by rahul sharma on Apr 12, 2008 07:57 PM Permalink
indian ameriacan studants are not traitors even in us we hold tiranga and if anything comes we come forward and do each and everything for our country. we love india but we dont wanna waste our god gifted intelectual power for such a loosers like arjun singh who cant win elections on name of development who has to choose divide and rule policy among own house same on u people ur saying traitors who brings a lot of foreign exchange for india becuase of whose hardwork today indians got recognision in world. and for whon still india is close to his/her heart tomorrow if there is war between india and america i can tell u without any doubt all of us will support india with our heart sould body and money.Jai Hind
RE:RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 08:17 PM Permalink
Oh come on Mr Rahul, yesterday only. One mother lost his son for because he belong to dalit community. One father lost the last hope of his old age for because his son belong to dalit caste. Yesterday only ones again this great nation has proved his dirty mindset. You are talking about the capability. Wow
RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 07:44 PM Permalink
Read this also Sonali before commenting the system of this nation, where i am living from the last 30 years not you.
I would like to raise certain issues regarding the reservation through those, who are opposing the policy of reservation. Just turn down the today's Times of India. A guy belonging to dalit caste has been killed in punjab, the sole reason behind such barbaric act was following. He dared to love a girl belonging to upper caste, the parents of the girl killed him. If we are living in the society, where you are saying social equality exists. The unequality among our society is backed upper caste people. Those who boast of living in 20th century even following such kind of discriminations. If you really wanna get red of this illness then remove the caste system first from our life. Remove it totally including your marriage. While a guy/girl of the so called upper caste go for the marriage then they never see their attitudes. Remove the caste system from the entire society. So none of us will be known through our caste.
RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by Sicilian on Apr 12, 2008 07:45 PM Permalink
Good ! we dont need you anyways, you can hear the stories of discrimination your children may suffer in US in near future and then you will know the pangs or maybe you will follow the suit of Indian who killed his daughter because she was staying with a negro..
RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by sonali on Apr 12, 2008 07:50 PM Permalink
I don't believe in stories! I am here from last 3 years I have passed 23years of my life in India. you can't hurt anyone because here laws are so strong and they are implicated on every point. In india you kill someone and its sure you will be left spotless oneday. Because entire system is corrupt. I strongly feel that SC judge took bribe from congress to give this verdict. shame on those who defend it.
RE:RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 07:58 PM Permalink
Listen i also feel shame on living the society, where peoples need reservation. However, the reservation is caste based issue. If you wanna remove this then remove the entire caste system from our society including marriage. Social euality will automatically formed then none will be needing any reservation.
RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by anil s pillai on Apr 12, 2008 10:13 PM Permalink
The most intellectual Indians are migrating to USA,UK,Canada,America and Other European Countries.The second stuffs are going to Gulf Third stuffs are working in MNC s and leading Private firms in Managerial cadres.The most useless and dull fellows are fighting for Quotas.These quota fellows can't survive in developed countries and MNCs where merit is the only consideration.
RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by Sicilian on Apr 12, 2008 07:53 PM Permalink
Go and read German history of advancement, law and order and extermination.. The law , order , id number , address is just to rope you in someday and put in gas chamber..
RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 07:55 PM Permalink
don't ask them to read such things, it is forbidden by manu to do so!
RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 07:55 PM Permalink
This is not a fabricated story Solali. Just turn the today's Times of INDIA. Might you have easily believed if your brother has been killed for such kind of act. Else give me your email address, i will send you scanned copy of that cutting.
RE:I am happy that I chosen USA
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 07:57 PM Permalink
hey stop harping on just one story, the problem of oppression and caste based discrimination is endemic to indian society and one doesn't need isolated incidents to prove its existence!
Caste is one of the longest surviving social institutions in the world.It started in india to prevent the intermixing of different races of people who came to india during the chain of migrations.It also led to formation of a feudalistic social strata in india.it is such an evil system that a persons position in the society is determined by his birth no matter however talent he has and hence needs to be slammed.it is proved during the past 60 years that the weaker section is still remaining weaker and the benifits are reaped by the rich amoung the so called backward caste.reservations have stamped permanently a class of people as always backward and made them feel that they are inferior.it didnt lead to eradication of the caste and made a particular section of the young people suffer for the atrocities committed by their forefathers.true to ensure social justice we have to uplift every section of the society but caste should not be the yardstick for identifying weaker sections.ban caste in india.ban all the caste based parties and organisations.ban practice of it in any form.the intelligence of a person has little link to the caste in which he is born.hence provide reservations based on his social and economic conditions.let us wipe put caste from india so that the future generations will come to know that (like sati) such a thing was practiced in the past only through text books.
RE:caste based reservations
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 07:41 PM Permalink
I appriciate your view. Then before removing the reservation policy, we should baan the use of caste from our life including marriage. So next time none of the dalit boy or his family is forced to feel that he belong to such community, where he is not allowed to opt for his life partner based on his wishes. Where his kids will be always looked with hatred eyes.
RE:caste based reservations
by anil s pillai on Apr 12, 2008 10:16 PM Permalink
Shalu,you are very much concerned about the marriage.I think you are in love with a upper cast boy.Think in brode sense
It is University College of Medical Sciences, not University College of Medicine! It is affiliated to Delhi University and attached to Guru Teg Bahadur Hospital, not affiliated to Safdarjang Hospital.
Looking at the judgement i feel that thiese courts do not go into detail as to why these castes are not even finishing schools.The COurt should give free education to all students till graduation.Economically backward should be helped by giving books and any other things.No reservation should be given for PG courses.
RE:india-land of reservations forever.
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 07:35 PM Permalink
My dear friend The entire solution is so simple. What's base of reservation? The caste of a person. Right. So if you really wanna get red of above problem, remove the caste from our entire nation. Lets all be A indian B indian C indian None will get any kind of reservation.
RE:india-land of reservations forever.
by manoj jaiswal on Apr 12, 2008 08:37 PM Permalink
hat to you mam....infact double hat....but how you are going to do so....most important thing is the set of mind....and it need immense insight and carefull moderate policy to do so...does any politician have dare to do so... i am sure he never make the next election...thats how pathetic we are... so the problem is me u and not the politician. he he he manoj
I would like to raise certain issues regarding the reservation through those, who are opposing the policy of reservation. Just turn down the today's Times of India. A guy belonging to dalit caste has been killed in punjab, the sole reason behind such barbaric act was following. He dared to love a girl belonging to upper caste, the parents of the girl killed him. If we are living in the society, where you are saying social equality exists. The unequality among our society is backed upper caste people. Those who boast of living in 20th century even following such kind of discriminations. If you really wanna get red of this illness then remove the caste system first from our life. Remove it totally including your marriage. While a guy/girl of the so called upper caste go for the marriage then they never see their attitudes. Remove the caste system from the entire society. So none of us will be known through our caste.
RE:solution of the reservation
by PKN on Apr 12, 2008 07:23 PM Permalink
I could not agree with you more ! After 60 years of reservation nothing really has happened on ground zero . We can boast that we had a SC President , we have a SC CJ and we have a dalit CM ruling over the most populous state in India . That is good for solace but on the ground the SC and the ST is considered as children of a lesser God ! Let us before its too late ensure that the caste system is wiped out . But let us not for a even a momment expect the politicians to do this ! The are the ultimate benificiaries of the wretched caste system and the captive vote-banks it provides .
RE:RE:solution of the reservation
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 07:30 PM Permalink
A kid of family belonging to lower caste has been killed just because of loving a girl belonging to upper caste. You are talking of social eqality, useless. If you have lost your brother in such kind of act then surely you could have easily understand the drawback of this caste system, which generates the demand of reservation. None of us got wisdom through the birth. Put the newly born kid of SC family in any upper caste, he will come in main stream. On the same hand put any upper caste kid in any dalit family, he will turn with same mindset and capability like other SC/ST kid. It's society that is responsible for such kind of difference between upper caste, lower caste etc. So if you really wanna get red of this problem then remove your sir name, let's all be indian. I am sure there won't be any need of any kind of reservation then.
RE:solution of the reservation
by anil s pillai on Apr 12, 2008 10:17 PM Permalink
Shalu,you are very much concerned about the marriage.I think you are in love with a upper cast boy.Think in brode sense
RE:solution of the reservation
by BlueBoy on Apr 12, 2008 07:39 PM Permalink
Shalu, I completely agree with you that the cast system should be wiped out from India. However, I am 100% against the reservation on the basis of Cast. Govt. should strengthen the primary education and give a lot of financial support to the economically backward people but not reserve seats for them.
RE:solution of the reservation
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 07:34 PM Permalink
Caste system is an integral part of Hinduism, without it we cannot maintain the superiority of one caste over the other. Brahmins rule!
RE:solution of the reservation
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 07:38 PM Permalink
Then why are you feeling sad over the reservation policy. We are not saying you to leave the caste system, if you wanna maintain your superiority. However in such condition, you me and others have to bear the reservation also. As the reservation is the caste based policy. Remove the caste system if you wanna get red of the reservation.
RE:solution of the reservation
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 07:40 PM Permalink
I against formal reservation for OBCs and not against the informal reservations enjoyed by Brahmins for the last 2000 years. Information reservations will continue wherever possible.
RE:solution of the reservation
by BlueBoy on Apr 12, 2008 07:43 PM Permalink
I am an Indian. But your are so freaking cocky....shame on you....there is no diference between you and the mtherfcuker Raj Thackery.
RE:solution of the reservation
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 07:21 PM Permalink
Waiting for those, who are opposing the policy of reservation. Please come and comment over my raised point.
RE:solution of the reservation
by PKN on Apr 12, 2008 07:28 PM Permalink
Maybe you are not aware of it but you have yourself proved that reservation doesnot achieve the objective of removing the stigma that SC/ST suffer from ! Do you think that if the Dalit boy that was killed would have been more acceptable to the parents of the 'upper caste' girls family if he had graduated from IIM ? I dont think so !
RE:RE:solution of the reservation
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 07:32 PM Permalink
If you agree that this society can never accept the peoples of those groups in main stream. Then there is no need of opposing the reservation policy, as that is always needed for the wellfair of those, who are suffering because of social unequality.
OBC's on one hand oppress the Brahmins, terrorise the banias and on the other hand rape and kill SC/ST's . Unlike any other group they have huge representation in politics and administration. They form 40% of the population of the country.. Providing reservations to them is to increase castism , powerful OBC's will any way oppress dalits more harshly .
