You people can see in your States that few OBC castes are very influential-both politically & economically,they take away 95% benefit of OBC chunk (i name 2 castes from UP---YADAVS and KURMIS)so center should (obviously it will NOT....) review the All India List of OBC and put the UPPER CASTE OBC's out of list so justice should be given to REAL OBC's....
RE:Its OK but should only be for REAL OBC's
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 08:51 PM Permalink
Yes i also agree and accept it. However you will have to ensure that none of the yadav or kurmi will be killed by so called upper caste just because of loving a girl of upper caste and i take the complete responsiblity of the opposite hand. None of the guy belonging to upper caste will be killed by the yadavs and kurmi for loving their daughters.
RE:Its OK but should only be for REAL OBC's
by MANISH on Apr 12, 2008 08:54 PM Permalink
Its opposite here, these 2 kill upper/sc/st for loving there boy or girl
RE:Its OK but should only be for REAL OBC's
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 09:00 PM Permalink
We are here talking about transferring few from OBC to other community so called upper caste.
RE:Its OK but should only be for REAL OBC's
by BlueBoy on Apr 12, 2008 09:47 PM Permalink
Shalu...some of points make sense, but the rest are so childish and unrealistic. If someone commits a crime he should be punished. How can the bloggers here take the responsibility of that. Uneducated and criminals can be of any caste. How do you know that if that boy would have been from a poor upper caste then he would not have been killed? I would support reservation if it's based on economic conditions. However, before passing reservation, the govt genuinely take the following actions: (1) Take a statistical data of how many poor people are there (with whatever criteria Poor means) (2) Give free education for all those poor starting from the Primary education (3) Govt. should assist the 30% poor economically in higher education level (4) Govt. should review and update the statistics every 3 years. (5) Govt. should have a strick law if someone abuses the law (6) And rest of us should HOPE for the BEST of govt executing this
Remember, by declaring the reservation....govt actually is not taking any responsibility. They are doing it only because they want to get vote bank. However, the points I suggested is a kind of reform that Govt has to do.....it's a lot of hard work...but worth doint it.
Why people are not realizing it and coming togather with this kind of plan?
RE:Its OK but should only be for REAL OBC's
by Sicilian on Apr 12, 2008 08:47 PM Permalink
All these OBC's will become rich and oppress SC/ST's , so how does reservation help then?
RE:Its OK but should only be for REAL OBC's
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 08:45 PM Permalink
I agree some OBC castes who should be promoted to FC and others demoted to SC/ST.
RE:Its OK but should only be for REAL OBC's
by rajul pandya on Apr 12, 2008 09:38 PM Permalink
I didnt even know that there was a caste such as the OBC until there was reservation for them in 1994. And suddenly there were half of my friends who belonged to this so called "OBC" but were no different than us. Thanks to the Indian goverment for reminding me that they exist and dividing us. I dont know how many more castes will these stupid politicians divide our society into.
After leaving school all children prepare for comepetitive exams.. Now how will children of Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Banias feel when they find that they can compete for only 50% of the seats? So many children commit suicide, become mental and physical wrecks. India is the only country where admission is determined by your caste. This will only perpetuate the caste system. Chacha Arjun Singh should marry his grandchildren to OBCs and Rahul should marry a Dalit. The people's verdict will be out next year.
RE:OBC reservations
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 08:44 PM Permalink
they will learn that no community will get away with crimes against society and that justice will one or the other day catch up with them!
WHO: 93 groups. Includes Nai Brahmins, Rajakas (washermen), Gangaputra, Goud community of toddy tappers, Munnuru Kapu. Approximately 51 per cent of Andhra Pradesh%u2019s total population of 8 crore.
BIHAR
WHO: Divided into two categories. 109 groups of Extremely Backward Classes and 32 the OBCs. The latter includes Yadavs, Kurmis, Banias, Koeri.
KARNATAKA
WHO: 203 communities that are further divided on the basis of degree of backwardness. Vokkaligas and Veerashaiva Lingayats are two dominant groups.
Gujarat
WHO: 138 communities including Parmars, Prajapatis, Modis, Koli Patels, over 20 castes from the Muslim community and another 20 from other communities, potters and tailors.
RAJASTHAN
WHO: 110 groups, prominent among them Jat, Yadav, Mali, Saini, Gurjar, Vishnoi, Lodhi, Raisikh, Charan, Meo, Kayamkhani, Darji (tailor), Nai (barber), Kotwal, Chobdar.
TAMIL NADU
WHO: 256 groups including Vanniyars (Most Backward Caste) who comprise roughly about 35 per cent of the OBCs.
UTTAR PRADESH
WHO: 79 groups including Yadav, Sonar, Jatav, Kurmi, Giri, Gujar, Gosai, Lodh and Kamboj.
WEST BENGAL
WHO: 64 groups including Tili, Sadgop, Satchashi, Napit.
RE:RE:OBCs - who and where
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 09:00 PM Permalink
why do you want to model india on islamic countries? now i understand why you mallus love those gulf countries!
stop deflecting the topic, caste based reservation is the best answer to case based oppression. truth prevails.
CHRISTIANS IN INDIA ARE DENIED ALL RESERVATIONS..ALL RESERVATIONS IS FOR HINDUS AND HINDUS ALONE..IF AN HINDU CONVERTS TO CHRISTIANITY HE LOOSES HIS QUOTA..SO THIS SIMPLY MEANS HE IS GIVEN AN PUNISHMENT..LOOK AT ISLAM..THE MOMENT U CONVERT FROM ISLAM TO CHRISTIANITY UR CALLED AN APOSTATE AND U WILL BE KILLED FOR THIS ACT ...FAITH IS AN VERY PERSONAL DECISION..BUT HERE U GET PUNISHED FOR THIS..IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE IN ISLAM AND HINDUISM IN THIS COUNT.. LOOK AT CHRISTIANITY..IF U CONVERT OR RECONVERT..NO ONE REALLY GIVES ANY PUNISHMENT OR KILLING...
BUT FOR A STATE TO DENY RESERVATION AND QUOTA SOPS BECAUSE OF ONES FAITH..THIS IS REALLY BAD AND HORRIBLE..IN THIS SENSE IS INDIA REALLY ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM ISLAMIC COUNTRIES...IS INDIA SECULAR...
One thing that is common to both pro and anti reservationists is that they are both well organised and have strong points of view. Whai is required that instead of dividing the country by caste, the emphasis has to be on implementation of education for all and to create a level playing field for students of this country to compete as equals. Rather than the emphasis on caste, make the schools and colleges and parents accountable ( legally and morally) for their wards. Parents must be especially empowered in rural areas in the school affairs. The focus of the HRD ministry schould be on quality of education and its delivery to all. Only these steps will improve the rural-urban and forward-backward dilemna we find ourselves in.
RE:Equal opportunity for all
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 08:46 PM Permalink
why are you calling a criminal "poor"? just because a thief studies day and night doesn't mean he should go unpunished!
RE:Equal opportunity for all
by Jairaj on Apr 12, 2008 10:08 PM Permalink
then go ahead and punish the OBC's who are perpetuating untouchability aganist the dalits even in this day..
RE:Equal opportunity for all
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 08:48 PM Permalink
No we never say that they are bad. However those poor, who are suffering because of the irregularity of the entire hindu system. They are also not bad.
One thing that is common to both pro and anti reservationists is that they are both well organised and have strong points of view. Whai is required that instead of dividing the country by caste, the emphasis has to be on implementation of education for all and to create a level playing field for students of this country to compete as equals. Rather than the emphasis on caste, make the schools and colleges and parents accountable ( legally and morally) for their wards. Parents must be especially empowered in rural areas in the school affairs. The focus of the HRD ministry schould be on quality of education and its delivery to all. Only these steps will improve the rural-urban and forward-backward dilemna we find ourselves in.
RE:Learn from south indian politicians
by varghese on Apr 12, 2008 08:52 PM Permalink
all 2/- rs rice schemes are eaten away by Reddy and rao communities of AP..all these rice are stollen and sold in black market..instead of the poor the reddy community is diverting it to their hotels and mess around city ..so what is the poor getting in AP..nothing..even kerosene and Gas r stollen by these so called Backward Reddy and Rao..and they say we are forward communities..lol
RE:Learn from south indian politicians
by Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 08:36 PM Permalink
It's challenging to maintain that rs. 2 price when inflation is high, and corruption is also very high, where rice intended for poor can be bought by middle men and diverted to other states at higher price. This is one of the reasonS why the "pathakam" was disbanded in 90's. It has been renewed now only as a poll gimmick.
Donot waste your time. Does not make any sense for all pilitical trouble mogers. All sc-st-obc do your best no matter by reservation or your study to be the part of main stream education system. thats the only way out avoid caste based gimmics. all forward try to accomodate sc, st, obc as a human being first, if you really belive in equality. i am sure several fire on my head after reading this message.
RE:Donot waste your time---not a single politician educated enough to read this forum. write in dainik, times
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 08:37 PM Permalink
Atleast not me. As i never comment on a issue just keeping my views. I have a dare to accept the truth in real form. I don't need to reform it or mold it just for my wellfair. I totally discriminate the reservation through our nation. However, on other hand i am tatally against of this caste based division of human being.
RE:Donot waste your time---not a single politician educated enough to read this forum. write in dainik, times
by manoj jaiswal on Apr 12, 2008 08:41 PM Permalink
ok ok ..points taken...nor do i...hwoever as i said, no body really care..tel me how many read this forum... either peopel like me sitting in the offfice and at the moment nothing to do or like you. we need to change our set of mind first and then the system...
RE:The ESSENCE
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 08:34 PM Permalink
Yes my dear Anil, it's not ok. However is it ok to kill a guy belonging to lower caste just because he loved a girl of upper caste. How his next generation will grow, listening the story of their elder uncle brother etc, who is killed because he loved a girl belonging to upper caste. ShIIIt We are taking on one hand about the youth equality on other hand we are killing a youth just because he loved a girl belonging to upper caste.
RE:The ESSENCE
by atanu on Apr 12, 2008 08:39 PM Permalink
So many people are getting killed, murdered, run-over, raped in India every day. But you are only concerned about your Dalit brother. Why not others? Sorry to say that this is the exactly this narrow mentality that we general caste young people are fighting against.
RE:RE:The ESSENCE
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 08:42 PM Permalink
No comments. Your comment is simply saying about your mindset. Mr Atanu. As being true indian i am attacted with all those peoples, who are suffering because of some irregularity in this nation. I write always whenever something wrong happends in this nation. However it seems that you have not read this acticle. We are discussing over the above article, how can i talk of the subject of history in the class of science. Might you got that wisdom to do but not i.
