I did not see Muslims coming to the secular Muslim woman (it is rare to see a secular Muslim) Taslima. I also do not find Muslims opposing Islamic terrorism. Though u will find many Hindus opposing Modi or Bal Thakre.
When will the Muslims learn to b reasonable, peaceful and learn from Majority Hindus to b secular?
RE:Why Muslims do not support secular Muslim and oppose Islamic terrorism?
by Sublime Voice on Apr 13, 2008 03:10 PM Permalink
10,000 participants at Darul uloom, Deaoband adopted a declaration denouncing terrorism in all its manifestations on 25th Feb 2008.
Unfortunately the mainn stream media ignored such an event.
Please check the link: siasat dot com/english/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=248512&Itemid=59&cattitle=India
RE:Why Muslims do not support secular Muslim and oppose Islamic terrorism?
by JGN on Apr 13, 2008 06:29 PM Permalink
They have only made a show of denoucing terrorism. No where they have said that the hate-filled verses from The Quran are not acceptable now. They are still ambiguous about the same.
RE:Why Muslims do not support secular Muslim and oppose Islamic terrorism?
by Ram Sharma on Apr 13, 2008 03:03 PM Permalink
unfortunately i did not see any of the 3 messages, which have been reported for abuse.
4:74 Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.
RE:RE:Allah is indeed most merciful
by Ram Sharma on Apr 13, 2008 02:39 PM Permalink
Any book writing such logic, is not religious. It is anti people and anti society.
RE:Allah is indeed most merciful
by Sublime Voice on Apr 13, 2008 03:16 PM Permalink
@Ram Sharma
At first, read the book you want to criticize. Don't base your judgements on some one else's opinions.
The book "Holy Quran" is given to the whole Mankind and not just Muslims. It's natural that the faithful believe in that where as others are not. For an explorer, The Holy Quran is vast ocean of knowledge provided you don't look at it with prejudice
RE:Allah is indeed most merciful
by JGN on Apr 13, 2008 06:43 PM Permalink
Sublime Voice, tell all these things to those who do not have any knowledge of the Quran or to the blind believers. I have read the same and know for sure what its contents are.
RE:Allah is indeed most merciful
by JGN on Apr 13, 2008 06:32 PM Permalink
Sublime Voice, do you mean that the above verse is not from your glorious "Quran" ?? Is it written by me??
The message is regarding UK terror plot convict, who is a Muslim doctor and I find lot of messages from Muslim brothers saying that Islam is great.
It is really disgusting.
The highly educated Islamic terrorists r trying to kill innocents in the name of Islam, then how Islam can b great and peaceful?
A religion, which encourages its followers to kill those, who do not follow this religion, should not b called a religion at all. All its followers should leave this religion and either become Atheist or convert to some other religion.
In this age of science, no one should try to strictly follow, what was written in a book thousands of years ago, when scientific knowledge was poor.
Have any of you heard the King of Saudi Arabia (the so-called keepers of Islamic faith) spaking against the US? Where was OIC when Saddam Hussein almost swallowed Kuwait? It was only the kafir country USA which helpped the Kuwait ruler. Where was OIC when Iran and Irqa (two Muslim countreis) fought war for 8 years?
Why are you acting like the slaves of arabs? You do not have your own native names. Muslims in the South East Asian countries (Korea, Japan, etc) still keep their native names but the Muslims in Indian sub-continent prefers the Arabian names! What have you to do with the Arabian culture? You are of Indian ethnicity. You cannot become an Arab by imitating them or worshipping their god. The Arabs still call all Indians (irrespective of Religion" "Hindi maskeen"!!!!!!
RE:Indian Muslims are more loyal than the King
by Ram Sharma on Apr 13, 2008 02:40 PM Permalink
U should not use abusive language in discussions. Give yr logic.
RE:Indian Muslims are more loyal than the King
by JGN on Apr 13, 2008 02:22 PM Permalink
Do you know how to debate in a civilized manner rather than abusing? Or it the muslim culture?
RE:@ JGN
by JGN on Apr 13, 2008 02:15 PM Permalink
You are a true follower of "the most merciful creator" and "his last messenger" What a great culture you are displaying on the net for all to see. Even an Alien from Mars would be thrilled at your culture!
It was for the likes of you that Jinnah created a separate country. Why you (or your ancestors) preferred to stay back? Were you not aware at that time that you have to live with the majority community? The majority also feels that despite giving 33% of the country exclusive for the Muslims, why the hell they have to tolerate the fanatics.
Thank the founding fathers for making India a secular democratic country despite the animosities of partition. Don't shout at me that I am asking you to go to another country, etc. I am just wondering why you preferred to stay back.
Do you know what is the condition in the so-called Islamic theocratic states? You can be thrown behind bars or even be-headed if you speak against the rulers. Pl read "A Thousand Splendid Suns" by Khaled Hosseini and understand for yourself what was the condition in Afghanistan under the Islamic rule!
RE:To all arrogant Muslims
by JGN on Apr 13, 2008 02:17 PM Permalink
You are a true follower of "the most merciful creator" and "his last messenger" What a great culture you are displaying on the net for all to see. Even an Alien from Mars would be thrilled at your culture!
RE:To all arrogant Muslims
by Lotan Potan on Apr 13, 2008 02:09 PM Permalink
To be honest JGN I have no problems with Muslims staying back, infact I am happy we have Shahrukh Aamir and APJ living with us. Where I become unhappy is when Muslims announce that they want to make India Islamic and threaten our way of life, when they have 10 kids to try to become majority and change the identity of Hindustan, and when they celebrate Pakistani victories on streets. I dont believe in aggression, but what should I do if it is written in Quran to spread Islam by multiplying, converting or any other means? I dont want Hindustan's way of life to be threatened.
RE:To all arrogant Muslims
by Lotan Potan on Apr 13, 2008 02:22 PM Permalink
crazy funky
It is common knowledge that muslims are not even allowed to use contraceptives as Quran says they should multiply and spread Islam as much as possible. This is a pattern in Europe and America too not only in India. Secondly, man it is written in Quran that national identity does not matter, Ummah is more important, hence many Indian muslims are pro Pakistan and pro Bangladesh, and even carry out terrorist activities like Godhra train and Bombay blasts on behalf of Pakistan, as Quran says Ummah is important and nationality is comes after that. So this RSS and VHP is necessary to counter SIMI and Harkat-ul-Mujahideen. Who even know Modi before Godhra, all these people were born as a counter to islamic aggression that India has faced for 1000 years.
Most importantly, Paki Hindu population has been annihilated 15% in 1947 to 0.5% in 2007(wikipedia). If Muslims become majority in India, same will happen with Indian hindus. WE HAVE A LIVE EXAMPLE IN FRONT OF US, PAKI HINDUS. So that is why we have a reason to believe that Islam threatens our way of life.
Rest I know there are many moderate muslims (most of my friends) who dont care that much about Islam or Ummah, but anyone who is a devout Muslim only dreams about the Islamic republic of India. Honest to God.
"did you ever addressed a muslim with his nationality ...we are addressed and recognised by our religion ..then why dont we give our religion more importance ........yes every Muslim in India is a citizen of India. None of your Arab Countries or even Pak or Bangla will accept you without any Indian Passport. It is only the misconception or arrange of the Muslims that make them think that they are above the Nation.
Karl Marx had said over a hundred fifty years back that "States will wither" but there is no sign of that happening. When a lofty ideal like Communism failed in less than 150 years, there is no way the religious dogamas will last for another 50 years in today's world driven by science and technology.
Another point many of you are debating is about Hydro-carbon. To my knowledge 23% of world's known hydro-carbon reserves are controlled by US (thru Aramco - a US Company operating in KSA). Alternatives for hydro-carbon are in advanced stages of production and would become a reality is less than 10 years.
RE:@ crazy funky
by Lotan Potan on Apr 13, 2008 02:05 PM Permalink
USA knows that very soon there will be an oil crisis, hence its military bases will definitely be in the middle east on one pretext or the other till 2045 AD.
And after the world is running on nuclear, you will be amazed to see how USA has no other problems ever with Islamic terrorism.
RE:RE:@ crazy funky
by IMPARTIAL on Apr 13, 2008 03:06 PM Permalink
JGN, Though vocabulary used is not pleasant but please read comments of Mr Aryan at page 14/15.In fact it answers many questions of both muslim and non-muslim Indians. It is beyond doubt and question that; Islam is a foreign religion. It came to India with invaders and looters, killers and fanatic type of people of a foreign culture. They decided to settle down and of course gave a centralised government. Conversions were 100% by force(direct or indirect) This tension and cold cultural and religious war continued till British fully took over. Divide and rule policy of British added fuel to cold war fire. Contribution of muslims in independence movement was much lower than expected bearing ratio in mind. At the time of independence country was partitioned purely on religious grounds bearing in mind that muslims and nonmuslims can not live together. Some muslims still decided to remain in India for one reason or another.This was a mistake on part of them and their supporters.Muslims migrated to Pak and Bang.. have hatred towards India because they were uprooted.Muslims already residing in Pak and Bang.. had their new nations powered by 'fanatic oil engines of Arab states".Pak/Bang completely failed to give a secular look to themselves.US-Soviet cold war added fuel to fire. Indians felt that despite loosing half of its territory to muslims,that foreign religion and culture is still existing in India.
RE:@ crazy funky
by JGN on Apr 13, 2008 02:06 PM Permalink
You are a true follower of "the most merciful creator" and "his last messenger" What a great culture you are displaying on the net for all to see. Even an Alien from Mars would be thrilled at your culture!
RE:RE:With Hydrogen Fuel Technology in the future
by Lotan Potan on Apr 13, 2008 02:01 PM Permalink
NO heavy water will be used in nuclear reactors to generate energy. This will be stored in electric reversible chemical cells that will power electric cars.
That is one of the alternatives. We gotta find a way out, you and me and everyone else. USA is investing 20 billion dollars per year in this research.
