The whole civilized world is Hindu. Secularism & democracy are the foundations of Hinduism. Religion is One and is about Human Skills & Values thus developing our Body and Mind, Emotions and Intellect, Creativity and Consciousness. Caste is One & is a life concept distorted by confused people. It means that to live life intelligently we need to effectively balance the 4-forces within - Thinker, Protector, Economist, Worker - and also while governing society. This is all based on natural human intelligence. The roots of the ancient Indian philosophy are secular, logical and universal. The idols are objectives in life: Shiva (freedom), Durga (Strength), Saraswati (Knowledge), Lakshmi (Wealth), Ganesh (Wisdom). Life is God. These Goddesses symbolize the goals of human life. All secular societies practice this. This is same as the US Constitution, the teachings of Confucius, Buddha, Lao-Tzu and those of European renaissance thinkers like Voltaire, Shaw. Every developed country in the world is "truly secular" and has one law, uniform code & gender equality, keeping focus on performance & productivity & excel in life, work & sports.
RE:Secularism Is Real Hinduism
by Mind Clear on Apr 12, 2008 02:52 PM Permalink
You are lucky that you are not in America, Europe, Turkey, China, Japan.
RE:Secularism Is Real Hinduism
by tabraiz khan on Apr 12, 2008 02:53 PM Permalink
For Hindus to survive, they have to always play second fiddle to Christians. sorry for you.
RE:Secularism Is Real Hinduism
by Mind Clear on Apr 12, 2008 03:03 PM Permalink
Christians, Jews, Parsis, Sikhs, Buddhists and Hindus have the same value system in the 21st century; All of them have modernized. Only Islamists are fascists and fundamentalists with no progress and always justifying status-quo. Islam always looks at religion in terms of numbers rather than values just to exploit women. But all others believe in One-Law, Gender Equality, Uniform Civil Code, Freedom, Democracy and "True" secularism.
RE:Secularism Is Real Hinduism
by Mind Clear on Apr 12, 2008 03:17 PM Permalink
It would be great if the whole world would have the same humanistic laws, progress and value system like the USA and be part of it. There is no subjugation. It is much better to be challenged by a highly evolved and intelligent enemy than a foolish and manipulative so-called friend. The first challenges you to be better. The second is already dead and is like a slow poison to themselves and to the entire world.
RE:RE:Secularism Is Real Hinduism
by tabraiz khan on Apr 12, 2008 03:09 PM Permalink
This is a good excuse to hide your subjugation to the christians led by the US. but still christians dont identify themselves with you as you can see from the very fact that missionary activities are going on full swing to convert especially the backward and poor classes among the Hindus as Muslims are diffcult to deceive by the christian missionaries
RE:Secularism Is Real Hinduism
by Mind Clear on Apr 12, 2008 02:33 PM Permalink
You are lucky that you are not in America, Europe, Turkey, China, Japan where they have dealth with this firmly and with full military strength. Turkey is aggressively secular, modernized and developed. China also maintains that position and keeps a tight leash on the Uighurs. And Americans and Europeans are constantly monitoring this situation.
Muslims are at the receiving end because some people use the name of Islam to wage their battles and terrorism. now instead of muslims if Hindus would have been targetted by these majority wielding christians, do you realise how much time these christian driven US, Europe would have taken to weed out the Hindus. Hinduism would have virtually perished by now in front of the might of the christians.
RE:RE:Secularism Is Real Hinduism
by Mind Clear on Apr 12, 2008 02:45 PM Permalink
Lessons in Life: NEVER WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH MUSLIMS. They will blame everybody and also become the laughing stock of the world for their status-quo.
RE:RE:RE:Secularism Is Real Hinduism
by tabraiz khan on Apr 12, 2008 02:47 PM Permalink
for me its better not to waste my time arguing with people like you even though i have no qualms with Hindus.
RE:Secularism Is Real Hinduism
by Mind Clear on Apr 12, 2008 02:38 PM Permalink
As long as Islam does not civilize and secularize itself with Uniform Civil Code and Gender Equality, problems of Kashmir, Pakistan, Bangladesh will continue forever. Partition allowed India to develop and should be maintained.
RE:India unified is good idea provided..
by Mind Clear on Apr 12, 2008 02:17 PM Permalink
Colonization and partition reinstated the values of education, industrialization, secularism, democracy, one-law at least for non-muslim majority, uniform civil code, gender equality, research, development, science and technology and we continued on the same values of human civilization. Muslims always had a choice to change themselves but instead they want to live separately and those who didn't still want status-quo in the form of personal codes etc. But did they gain anything. Finally, religion is about pushing for higher values and not really status-quo, in terms of what is written in a book and pulling oneself down eventually with lower values. Who divided India? And what was its basis. It was religion. And this misguidance, is now an universal phenomenon. The Europeans, Americans have realized it now. Colonization was one of the best things that happened to bring modernization to India. All Nobel laureates came during that time. We need real secularism, We need One-Law, Uniform Civil Code, Gender Equality all over the world irrespective of religion. Muslims will blame everybody other than themselves for their misfortunes and push that ideology on others.
RE:India unified is good idea provided..
by tabraiz khan on Apr 12, 2008 02:28 PM Permalink
muslims oppose Uniform civil code as this law will transgress into the religious limits. religion is a personal issue and let it remain so. any act to generalise could result in friction. After all muslims personal law board doesnt harm or transgress into non-muslims matters and muslims are totally comfortable with it. Offcourse colonisation had some positive impact on India but it has its negative shades also. Gender equality is good but this slogan shouldnt be used for the cause of exploitation.another thing Nobel prize was not there during medieval times for Indians to claim.
RE:India unified is good idea provided..
by Mind Clear on Apr 12, 2008 02:33 PM Permalink
You are lucky that you are not in America, Europe, Turkey, China, Japan where they have dealth with this firmly and with full military strength. Turkey is aggressively secular, modernized and developed. China also maintains that position and keeps a tight leash on the Uighurs. And Americans and Europeans are constantly monitoring this situation.
RE:India unified is good idea provided..
by Mind Clear on Apr 12, 2008 02:37 PM Permalink
As long as Islam does not civilize and secularize itself with Uniform Civil Code and Gender Equality, problems of Kashmir, Pakistan, Bangladesh will continue forever. Partition allowed India to develop and should be maintained.
RE:India unified is good idea provided..
by Mind Clear on Apr 12, 2008 02:51 PM Permalink
You are lucky that you are not in America, Europe, Turkey, China, Japan.
RE:India unified is good idea provided..
by tabraiz khan on Apr 12, 2008 03:01 PM Permalink
Muslims are at the receiving end because some people use the name of Islam to wage their battles and terrorism. now instead of muslims if Hindus would have been targetted by these majority wielding christians, do you realise how much time these christian driven US, Europe would have taken to weed out the Hindus. Hinduism would have virtually perished by now in front of the might of the christians.
RE:India unified is good idea provided..
by Mind Clear on Apr 12, 2008 03:02 PM Permalink
Christians, Jews, Parsis, Sikhs, Buddhists and Hindus have the same value system in the 21st century; All of them have modernized. Only Islamists are fascists and fundamentalists with no progress and always justifying status-quo. Islam always looks at religion in terms of numbers rather than values just to exploit women. But all others believe in One-Law, Gender Equality, Uniform Civil Code, Freedom, Democracy and "True" secularism.
RE:Let re-unify India
by Mind Clear on Apr 12, 2008 02:21 PM Permalink
As long as Islam does not civilize and secularize itself with Uniform Civil Code and Gender Equality, problems of Kashmir, Pakistan, Bangladesh will continue forever. Partition allowed India to develop and should be maintained.
Agreeing fully with Mr.Bose that pending part of comunal divde be completed as per his suggestion!it is in the ointerst of Indians - Muslim after 60 yras have spokepersons such as ALAM WAZIR who day in and day out post ant hindu .anti indian anti Society messages!I have objected to these messages nut None of the Muslims of India have denounced ALAM WAZIR!so is he their spokeman!If so the we all are in danger as per Alam Wazir will be subjugated to Muslim rule!See for youself"The MODI's views that Muslims are increasing their population to increase their votes and gain majority and "Hum pachis Hamare pachis !" is correct when one reads ALAM WAZIR's comments in Rediff forum"RE:Why brahmins opppose reservation? by Alam Wazir on Apr 11, 2008 02:35 PM Hahaha, In Muslim circles we say we 2, ours 20. Don't worry, in India only population matters. India will be soon back under Muslim rule as our population rises and rises. We will vote out all who oppose Muslims. "DoIndian muslims support his views!Is he spokeman of Muslims! if not then denounce him expose him ,but no Indian muslim has denouced him or exposed his identity!Jai Hind
RE:RE:INDIA WAS DIVIDED ON COMMUNAL DIVID BUT TILL ALL POPULATION IS NOT SENT TO THEIR RESPECTIVE PARTS MUSLIMS TO PAKISTAN AND BANGLA DESH AND ALL HINDUS TO INDIA THE PARTITION PROCESS ID NOT COMPLETE
by motor mouth on Apr 12, 2008 12:58 PM Permalink
stop crapping here u fool....mororns like u shld be kicked out first...
RE:INDIA WAS DIVIDED ON COMMUNAL DIVID BUT TILL ALL POPULATION IS NOT SENT TO THEIR RESPECTIVE PARTS MUSLIMS TO PAKISTAN AND BANGLA DESH AND ALL HINDUS TO INDIA THE PARTITION PROCESS ID NOT COMPLETE
by SAmeer Verma on Apr 12, 2008 02:11 PM Permalink
TAJ MAHAL IS ACTUALLY A TEMPLE OF LORD SHIVA.
The only solution is the exchange of population between India and Pakistan( including Bangladesh). If all Muslims go to pakistan, Jammu & Kashmir can be partitioned. This is the only realistic solution.
RE:The Only Solution
by R Mit on Apr 12, 2008 09:50 AM Permalink
I agree. But only the valley can go. Jammu and Ladakh are not Islamic and their destiny is inextricably linked with Hindustan.
RE:The Only Solution
by mahabodhi on Apr 12, 2008 11:42 AM Permalink
I fully agree with Mr.Bose if Communal divide was the solee reason for partition then let the complete division take place!If not then Muslims as their spokeperson ALAM WAZIR says day in and day out in these forums that "We in mulim circles say we 2 our 20!and very soon we will be majority in India and rule over Indians in India"Though I have objected to these comments messgea and appeal to indian muslims and even All India Muslim Personal Law Board not one single Muslim has denounced ALAM WAZIR!So he becomes their spokeperson!If not then why no muslim protested ?Let the Communal Divide be completed to ensure the remaining work pending part of partition!
RE:The Only Solution
by Uzair Khan on Apr 12, 2008 12:20 PM Permalink
Mr. Maha
Muslims didnt protest when AP kalam worked on Nuke Tech,neither why Taj Mahal is still in India,nither when Allam Iqbal wrote
"Sar-e-Jahan se Acha Hindustan Hamara".
They didnt protest when their fellow muslims didnt use Interest money on their deposits which is in Billions of rupees which Banks all of over India uses .
We are contribution is huge to the economy of India..still u find probs with us.
Whatever Muslims should have protest srongs against the comments made by Alam Wazir so that he shuold not dare repeat again.
RE:The Only Solution
by hindu on Apr 12, 2008 12:39 PM Permalink
the same iqbal wrote the pakistan song and abused India. and all Muslims should have gone to Pakistan at the time of partition that was the right thing to do but the then leaders of Hindustan were fools and allowed muslims to stay here and now see wht they r doing to this country. Bomb blasts, riots for every small reasons and killings of innocent. they shld be kicked back to Pakistan and there contribution to India is too small to consider
RE:The Only Solution
by mahabodhi on Apr 12, 2008 12:48 PM Permalink
At least I find one Uzair Khan who at leat replied!and belive me friend we are proud of Tajmahal and it is not for our muslim friends only!though allama Iqbal did write Sare Jahan .. he was the pioneer in demnading Pakistan on communal divide..Srill we rate his song Sar Jahan se as ou national song!We are all proud of shahrukh khan , aamir for their talent and intelligence and we know they are true Indians!we are sad to know when we hear in newspaper that Islamic Terroists are thretening to blow up Tajmahal!Indian Govt, has beefed up security because it is All Indian's pride!We are proud og Azeem Premji who made IT revoultion in India!I salute him !I salute Abdul Hameed who gave supreme sacrifice for his mother land!And I also believe that if Allama were alive during partition he may have changed his views and given a new slogan for unity !But we are saddened when Islamic Jehadfis destroyed Lord Budhdha's Statutes in Afghanistan!I am only sad that why no muslim comdemn ALAM WAZIR who dau in and day out writes posts messages which do no good for any one but rather spread hatered!and confirm Modi's views!I also wonder whrther Alam Wazir is MASQUEREADING AS FAKE MUSLIM!if not then all of us CONDEMN him and find out his true Identity! Allah Hafiz!
i really can not think why the Indian government is asking pakistan's stand on kashmir. everybody know that they will say that kashmir is theirs. only way to kashmir problem is that either both Indian and pakistani government make LOC as permanent border or India attack pakistan and recapture its territory (POK).
The present UN is cocept is riduclus and punishment for democratic countiries. The UN should be dissolved and form a LEAGUE OF DEMOCRACIES,where you have to be 1 Democratic, 2 secular, 3 Pro Free markets, 4 Pro Freedom of expression country to get the membership and all the members should help to spread thease concepts to all over the world.
It is time to KILL THE UN And definately no Kashmir issue to UN
RE:It is time to Throw the UN out and form LEAGUE OF DEMOCRACIES
by sickularindia on Apr 12, 2008 12:10 AM Permalink
OR LEAGUE OF PRO-DICTATORS like you or LEAGUE OF PRO-NON KAFURS like you or LEAGUE OF PRO-R1PISTS like you
RE:tohogota mukkerjee
by Julius on Apr 11, 2008 11:56 PM Permalink
Tathagata who's replying below is a fake Pukistani agent. His language speaks for itself!
RE:Fresh Referendum
by Julius on Apr 11, 2008 11:53 PM Permalink
Have a referendum in Sindh, Balochistan and NWFP for joining Either China/India or be independent countries.
RE:Fresh Referendum
by sickularindia on Apr 11, 2008 11:45 PM Permalink
Why not options of joining SAUDI ARABIA,LEBANON,IRAQ,IRAN,EGYPT,AFGHANISTAN.........
