In fact there are only 2 classes ie Rich and Poor. Now it is proved by studies that all castes have 3% talented persons whether upper or OBC or SC/ST. Govt. has failed to provide School education to poor class. How can then they reach and compete for higher education. giving reservation in higher education is just diluting quality of education. Merit in India is being neglected thats why we are getting such a poor governance. Its disgusting to see 90percenter not getting admission to accomodate 50percenter. This will bring further devide population instead of equalling.
two friends start preparing for the iit-jee examination after 10th. they work very hard & sincerely and they even study for 14 hrs a day in the last two-three months..Co-incidentally both of them secure the same no. of marks.however their ranking is not very high but it is "just fine".what do u think should happen to them ??
note:one of them has got reservation .
dont u think that both of them deserve the same treatment.....
RE:Is this fair.......
by satyarthi on Apr 10, 2008 11:17 PM Permalink
Can you solve simultaneous equations for four (unknown)variables with the help of three equations? On the basis of incomplete information you can't expect a right (correct ) answer. The two friends may be working equally hard, scoring equal marks, but their social conditions are not same, the student belonging to weaker section must be advanced as long as there is 'ONE AND ONLY ONE SEAT'. If another seat can be created (hypothetically) his friend may get it. In fact parents of both these students should elect a government that ensures All should get opportunity to learn without hurting other's chance. Till then, Reservation is valid....
RE:Is this fair.......
by Raju on Apr 11, 2008 01:28 AM Permalink
Hi Aditya,
There is another story....
Two friends are there one is studying in good english medium school, he has got all the books, well educated parents, good guidance from family and tution etc. Another is studying in a govt school (non english medium). He does not have support from his family, does not get any direction from family and friends. Both go to 11th and 12th with Science major.
First boy gets 85%, second gets 75%, it was hard for him to switch to english medium all of a sudden and he did not had guidance, tution. Both have same IQ.
Now what do you think, both sould get higher education or only first one should get it?
RE:Is this fair.......
by Ravi on Apr 10, 2008 11:05 PM Permalink
Mr.Aditya, Then fight against caste system not the resevation system! Stop your crocodile tears and clean the social evil called caste system. Brahmins want to illtreat others but want equality in these cases! Equality should be everywhere
RE:Is this fair.......
by A. Swaminathan on Apr 10, 2008 11:00 PM Permalink
Dear friend, You have missed one point. Everyone studied 14 hrs and worked hard. Good. But do you thing that a farmer son has the same mental power and other advantages like coaching,teaching,etc,etc compared to a Brahmin Son?. Why don't you understand thousand year blockade?
RE:Is this fair.......
by nitin negi on Apr 10, 2008 11:05 PM Permalink
yes, thing is it is not the farmer's getitng benefit , it is the sons of elites among backwards are getting benefitted.One more thing a Brahmin can also be a farmer .
RE:Is this fair.......
by Rajkumar V on Apr 10, 2008 11:10 PM Permalink
Great grand father committed murder but died before getting punishment so should his great grand son be hanged in his place.
RE:RE:Is this fair.......
by satyarthi on Apr 10, 2008 11:20 PM Permalink
This argument 'about sin and confession' is bogus. Forget past. Think in a larger perspective. If India is to grow, All Indians have to grow. Where is the question of punishment. Since government has control over the resources at its disposal, it is trying to distribute it judciously to maximise social welfare.
RE:Is this fair.......
by on Apr 10, 2008 11:24 PM Permalink
you need to learn something mister. Abdul kalam was a farmer/some downtrodden fathers son, in many peoples opinion he has exceptional mental powers. so does Ambedkar, and others. You mean to say that you have people with mental disabilities are always in the farmers or downtrodden families and they should get seats reserved. Then why not have reservations for mentally retarded children as teachers. and then you can send your children to those teachers for training. sick freak. i dont want to hurt anyones feelings but sick retarded people like you make me want to vomit.
RE:Is this fair.......
by Indian on Apr 10, 2008 11:04 PM Permalink
Farmer son and brahmin son dont have two separate mental power or psychological edge my dear.its the analysis, practice and stability that helps in the jee exam
All of us Indians for the moment forget about Reservation controversy and look at the messages [osted by some Alam Wazir who is posting Anti indian -anti hindu and anti society mesaages claiming that muslims will increase their population and oncee in majority will rule over us!I request all Muslim friends to denounce him and expose him!Is he masquerading as muslim or is this also the view of Muslim Law Board!If this so then Modi is right when he says "Hum Paanch hamare Pachchis!Law Board should look into this and expose Alam Wazir to keep peace!Jai Hind!
RE:WHO IS ALAM WAZIR1IS HE SPOKEPERSON OF MULIMLAW BOARD IF NOT THEN MUSLIM LAW NOARD EXPOSE HIM TO MAINTAIN PEACE
by Rajeev G on Apr 10, 2008 10:58 PM Permalink
He is enjoying the caste fight, to the fullest extent. In the next 5 yrs they are the ones who are going to get reservations..So in a way he is showing the action to be taken..
RE:SCRAP THE OBC RESERVATIONS!!!
by A. Swaminathan on Apr 10, 2008 10:57 PM Permalink
It is too difficult to find, which OBC deserves and which doesn't. That is why,they have excluded those who earn more than 2 lacs under creamy layer. Then why you bother about it ?. They increased the number of seats also. What is the problem for forward caste , people to give this inch of their share ?
RE:SCRAP THE OBC RESERVATIONS!!!
by OBC Yadav on Apr 10, 2008 10:59 PM Permalink
Terminator now you are going too far. You called OBC's Goon, rapist and criminal. This is not right. If we have criminals then we have soldiers too. Some of them have won Param vir Chakra for their bravery. Check Kargill war.
Plus see ACP Rajbir Singh of delhi police. See how many criminal he killed. Now you tell me of what caste you are and I will tell you name of criminal in your caste.
If you think reservation will do any good think again. In India only 20 % of graduates are employable. That means only 20% graduate get job what they want. Open category is still 50 % open. This verdict will create further biased in Private sector. So OBCs will have degree but no job. On other side all Open category student will be easily absorbed in work force.
Also ,Their is no dearth of private engg, and medical college. Plus I heard foriegn company will come in education sector. They will directly train your so called merit guys and export them (this is what happening in AIIMS). You guys won't loose anything technically, Only looser will be OBCs.
well well well.............. how many of u are looking for change ???????? lets unite and make common platform for likeminded people to unite and discuss....... mail me vicky ....... pulse121@rediffmail.com
This is not 100 % reservation for OBC. Every society, the have's should act as big brother and work for upliftment of Havenot's. One should not grap everything because of built in advantage. Is it my sin that I have born as a son of poor uneducated former ? It is it sin, that i study in Govt High Scool,just because my father is am agriculturist. ? Do these forward community always wants farmer son to be farmer and officer son to be officer ?
RE:Reservation does not spoil the merit
by K on Apr 10, 2008 10:54 PM Permalink
reservation does spoil the merit.so wat if he is a poor farmers son, if he is intelligent he will definitely make on the basis of his marks. its the fee structure that needs to be consideredcos a poor farmer may not be able to educate his son/daughter if fees are more than wat he ca afford or repay if he were to borrow . Nobody is denying anyone who has the merit , irrespective of which ever caste they belong to the right to educate. Education should be free from reservation and only on the basis of merit. The one who really wants to get into IIT/IIM will work towards tht irrespective of his/her caste and the payoff will definitely be there.
RE:RE:Reservation does not spoil the merit
by A. Swaminathan on Apr 10, 2008 11:05 PM Permalink
For your information, I am the first one and last one to get into engineering 25 years back from my village on merit. No one else has come from any of those villages after that. Do u think, the environment is same for every one to compete ? Do u know, why many odd's we have faced in mour life to come up and compete at every stage with brahmin's. Everywhere , there is partiality and discrimination. Even a good education on merit for OBC' does not ensure good career growth, in this biased society.
RE:RE:RE:Reservation does not spoil the merit
by K on Apr 12, 2008 11:39 AM Permalink
career growth in any organization is not based on caste. Emphasis should be on importance of education and making education , that too good education affordble to people living in all strata of the society. The quality of education provided in govt schools should be the same as that of pvt. For this the govt should utilise the money that they get from the public towards initiating developmental activites in these segments . As for career grwoth, a person grows in his/her job based on her performance and output and has nothing to do with caste. so do u mean to say that merit has no value and that ppl who cant perform should be given entry jus based on resrvations? if reservations are given, a poor farmers son doesnt have the means to pay thefees then wat happens?? so fees should be affordable, good qualuity education should be made available and merit should be honoured and regarded. One should thonk logically and not just get carried away. I am nt opposed to the idea of a framers son being educated but on the basis of merit.
RE:Reservation does not spoil the merit
by kalyani padmanabhan on Apr 12, 2008 11:31 AM Permalink
meritocracy should be the key, a farmers son if meritorious can get admission. Emphasis hould on primary education.
Recently, a school friend of mine, beneficiary of the quota system, a physician, at the district hospital told me; "Most of the doctors from reservation category are incompetent. No educated or conscious person belonging to either upper or lower caste has any desire to be treated by them. This attitude is most pronounced within the medical community itself. Within the medical community this class of doctors is considered to be on same footing as the ones produced by medical colleges where admissions are via the donations route or the ones that have degrees from some Russian institute. These people are called the Munnabhais of Indian medical system, a community of which our health minister is the flag bearer." Those who are meritorious amongst the reservation categories have divided opinion abt it. An OBC college friend of mine, who took his UPSC civil services exam the year he finished his graduation, stood fourteenth in the merit list and is serving in my home state as an IAS officer says that reservations have helped this section of the society but only a small part of it aka the so called creamy layer. While great achievers, (and I'm not talking about charlatans and gasbags like the celebrated Dalit intellectual Chandrabhan Prasad or 'the man of culture'(!) Karunanidhi), of the backward section such as Sam Pitroda find this exercise futile, regressive and divisive. Good or bad it is a policy truly reflective of the biggest Mobocracy of the world.
RE:revenge of the nerds!!
by satyarthi on Apr 10, 2008 10:50 PM Permalink
The analysis is based upon prejudices and lacks the correct perspective. Tamilnadu is an example where reservation ensured a faster economic growth than the states like UP and Bihar.
RE:revenge of the nerds!!
by A. Swaminathan on Apr 10, 2008 10:53 PM Permalink
I agree with you friend...with reservation tamilnadu has done very well in education,industry ,IT... The people who enjoyed benefits over hundred years, don't seems to be generous enough to leave a small bone to others.
RE:revenge of the nerds!!
by satyarthi on Apr 10, 2008 11:02 PM Permalink
It is not an issue of leaving or taking. It is an issue of collective growth. Indian can grow only when all Indians grow together. With economic growth, every thing employment as well as educational opportunities expand.
