Also, Though I am not generalising that Reserved candidates dont make a good doctor.But still If you allow reservation in fields like medicines..Its dangerous..Wonder where Mayawati,laloo and Mulayam ,Sonia,Paswan would get treated if they are sick or injured. They should be sent to govt Hospital and doctor selection should be random.
RE:Doctor Selecetion for treating any MP/MLA
by Praveen George on Apr 10, 2008 11:38 PM Permalink
In the South, it is the opposite. If you get a doctor from the reserved category, you make a fast beeline from the hospital.
Well Creamy layer exclusion is vrry good. Muft ki rotiyann agar MPs ,IAS ,Class I and II Govt servant,Doctors jo Khud Quota leke itna kama chuke hain...Baccho ko Cars me and Public school me padate hain... Unko Reservation maange me sharm nahi aati to COurt ko kuch karna pada.... 95% times the Quota is used by These rich OBC's like Yadav's Vermas and sainis....
Also the Cutt-off provision of Reserved candidate marks 10( 5 grace)=15 less than cut-off from general one is also better Bcoz How can someone getting 1 marks in Biology Can be a doctor......
why the hell people blaming brahmins ( though iam not one) .. this stinking verdict is given by a Scheduled cast chief Justice... and do u really think this a Justice?
RE:obc
by gac on Apr 10, 2008 11:35 PM Permalink
no ones bothered abt wat u think, anyways this the verdict if u like live with it in india otherwise u r welcome to leave the country.
RE:obc
by Ester Astir on Apr 10, 2008 11:52 PM Permalink
Delirious GAK, It certainly happens, anti-reservationists migrating to another country. The only hitch is their worse economic situation. Whereas most of those belonging to the 'OBCs' continue their caste-based occupations, continue to be the landowners, continue to dominate education and jobs. Suggest an honest economic way out for the anti-reservationists to leave the country. Have the entire country for yourselves, and rule it the way you like. EsterAstir.
RE:obc
by A. Swaminathan on Apr 10, 2008 11:51 PM Permalink
Your mentality is known,from the way you attached the caste to the judge. They have given quota, excluding creamy layer in OBC. Still you are not able to digest it ? You and me can not live in palace, when our neighbor is living in slum.Society should grow in inclusive way only.
RE:RE:obc
by Ester Astir on Apr 10, 2008 11:58 PM Permalink
Swaminathan, If the beneficiaries of reservation are going to he slum dwellers, I am the happiest person. But in the name of 'OBC', a lose and chimerical conglomeration, many well-off among the OBCs would walk away with the cake. Most of the 'slum dwellers' have already been taken care of by the SC/ST quotas. Terming the entire caste BC is politicised travesty of truth. Now we face a realpolitik of 'Rob Peter, and pay Paul.' EsterAstir
Many manu vaadis seem to believe this is something utterly wrong. Since America is the quintessential modern nation , let us take the case of America. America not only gives reservations to native indians but also allows vast tracts of forest to be solely owned and operated by native indians. How about the tribals in India, are they given control over the land they inhabit , no. They are exploited by uppercaste and manu vaadis have a problem only when few muslim or christian missionaries establish schools or hospitals .Let us take the case of blacks/hispanic population in US, since they too are backward there are many government sponsored programs , from tax breaks to loan write offs. In India entrepreneurship is not something we do regularly , for us educating kids is entrepreneurship - investment for future, so there is nothing wrong that backward communities are given reservations. Governments and Judiciaries role is enforcing social justice. Social justice need not always be appealing to all members of the society. Supreme courts decision is a righteous one.
RE:To give reservations to backward communities is responsibility of a Civilized Society
by Praveen George on Apr 10, 2008 11:40 PM Permalink
Why reservation for economic backwardness will not work in India-> The biggest example is Gujaraat. In gujaraat muslims are excluded from being beneficiaries of any programs of the modi government.If economic backwardness is made as the criteria,the system will be skewed to make that available only to the people in power.When the state itself is the sponsor of terror on it's own people ,only judicial legislations can protect the nation from falling into anarchy. Economic backwardness should be dealt by the community itself.Government should focus on social backwardness.If uppercaste community feels there is a family that can't find means to sustain themself, does any one prevent an uppercaste community from forming a fund for that family?.Governments role is not providing alms but providing a platform for every citizens to work together as a single nation.
RE:To give reservations to backward communities is responsibility of a Civilized Society
by satyarthi on Apr 10, 2008 11:45 PM Permalink
Correct you facts. Gujrat has been in the forefront of implementing the PM's 15 point programme for minorities both in terms of financial targets and number of beneficiaries.
RE:To give reservations to backward communities is responsibility of a Civilized Society
by Praveen George on Apr 10, 2008 11:49 PM Permalink
Was that after strong Indications by the central government that strict actions would be taken ? or was that voluntary, i remember PM warning gujarat government.
RE:RE:To give reservations to backward communities is responsibility of a Civilized Society
by Praveen George on Apr 10, 2008 11:47 PM Permalink
I just write what I know man? Know all facts, no man! Leave it to you man
RE:To give reservations to backward communities is responsibility of a Civilized Society
by benicenow on Apr 10, 2008 11:42 PM Permalink
have you seen even one president in whole south america from native back ground????????
RE:RE:To give reservations to backward communities is responsibility of a Civilized Society
by Praveen George on Apr 10, 2008 11:51 PM Permalink
There definitely is none but that is not the point of the discussion
RE:To give reservations to backward communities is responsibility of a Civilized Society
by nandkumar misal on Apr 11, 2008 12:45 AM Permalink
Welcome the so called converted moron
RE:To give reservations to backward communities is responsibility of a Civilized Society
by Ester Astir on Apr 11, 2008 12:05 AM Permalink
George, Tell me when did you read the Manu Smrithi. How many chapters and pages it contains. Give me a dozen quotations from it that militate against your reservations. And coming to the present times, the Indian Constitution was architected by Ambedkar, who is more than God to many, who don't tolerate any criticism of him, even a bit. So the Indian Constitution should be a sacred and an inviolable document, because of its source to Ambedkar. Then why has such a constitution been amended almost a hundred times? EsterAstir
RE:To give reservations to backward communities is responsibility of a Civilized Society
by Praveen George on Apr 10, 2008 11:34 PM Permalink
I write to show my mastery over English. I like compliments. So compliment me
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by Praveen George on Apr 10, 2008 11:42 PM Permalink
huh.. i ve been hacked too..
RE:To give reservations to backward communities is responsibility of a Civilized Society
by Praveen George on Apr 10, 2008 11:45 PM Permalink
No I haven't. It seems I have a virus in my computer. Need to check, if the system will crash at 12 a.m.
RE:To give reservations to backward communities is responsibility of a Civilized Society
by Alam Wazir on Apr 10, 2008 11:43 PM Permalink
Christians are the biggest parasites. They destroyed the glorious Mughal empire. First these should be kicked out of India, and India will regain its former glory.
Is it the governments responsibility to - Provide Free Education ? - Provide Free Medical care ? - Give Oil Subsidy ? - Give Gas Subsidy ? - Give Sugar Subsidy ? - Give Rice Subsidy ? - Give Wheat Subsidy ? - Give Kerosene Subsidy ? - Give Hajj Subsidiy ? - Run & Manage Temples ?
If your answer is a "YES", China is the place for you.
We are not living in a COMMUNIST state where we think that government should force "Social Justice". And Reservation is NOT social justice. It is an injustice to others.
The should be NO reservation. Not based on either Caste, financial status, family size, $ex, Culture, Region, etc.
Admission and employment must be stictly merit based.
RE:HOLD ON...Some Questions for all....
by Ravi Naidu on Apr 10, 2008 11:35 PM Permalink
there u go....Merit and the social status ... consider the social status.. and not the caste status.. please
RE:HOLD ON...Some Questions for all....
by OBC Yadav on Apr 10, 2008 11:38 PM Permalink
USA also give subsidy
- Subsidy to farmer for tax insentive - Social security benefit for unemployed - $ 600 check as stimulus package - Gasoline subsidy if you include cost of securing energy line from Gulf of Homuz to States. Major portion of US military budjet is used for securing these lines. - Free health care after next election Clinton/ obama ready. McCain will do if Mitt Romeny runs for vice president - Pay Defaulted Mortagage of its defaulter - Lots of subsidy for higher education like low interest loans, Hope credit for tax refunds
Many more. Now you will say US is COMMUNIST too. Every country do these thing for its people.
