ok..all done with approving OBC reservation. Nothing comes free. 1)Can we have a bond with these reserved guys to work for economic development(govt projects) for atleast 2 years after their education? we dont want them to avail reservation and then go back working for their family business. 2) How about including a word " reserved" in their merit certificate somewhere? Lets see if any of the politicians themselves hire these people having " reserved" in their merit certificate. sonia has successfully implemented the task for which she came in, thats dis-integrate india". Wait for the repercussions.Its time to start more private institutions with foreign affiliations and start issuing certificates.
RE:reservations - need a check point
by Ravi on Apr 11, 2008 12:12 AM Permalink
Yes they do. But only when you forget who is the other guy do your business without ill mind.When every citizen is treated equally instead of challengers like you
RE:reservations - need a check point
by ringwraith on Apr 11, 2008 12:34 AM Permalink
Yes, the fact that these dimwits get admission through reservations should b included on their certificates. In fact, stamp it on their foreheads if possible. If they want to be treated differently, fine let them be treated differently. Somethin like what the Nazis did with the Jews. Just segregate them from mainstream society. I hope that'll knock some sense into them, provided they possess brain
I guess most of us are confused with this judgement, if the reservation system is used to placate any community based on religion(example christians and muslims given reservation coz they are a minority) it is completely wrong and not a progressive step. However if there are segments in the society which are backward due to 1)They belong to a region which historically was not exposed to mainstream life - eg tribal belts 2)The community suffered historical injustices - Lowercaste communities being ripped off by uppercaste in few villages , not allowed to study in schools operated by uppercastes,
these segments of people does qualify for reservation. The OBC group is meant to be representative of this social reality.
RE:Reservation Backward Community Versus Minority Community
by Ester Astir on Apr 11, 2008 12:15 AM Permalink
My dear George I'm afraid you have missed the crux of the problem. The sections that you talked of, have already been covered under SC/ST quota. None is against those reservations, though the time stipulated by Ambedkar lapsed long long ago. Now ever since Aug 15, 1947, every government (mostly Congress) has been claiming that they have developed the country tremendously. Then, how come, huge chunks of castes far above the sections you talked of, have overnight become 'backward' to be given as much as 27% reservations? Reservations are a type of intoxicant which none likes to forgo, they demand their perpetuation for ever, or until the people of other castes become dead as a dodo. EsterAstir.
RE:RE:Reservation Backward Community Versus Minority Community
by Praveen George on Apr 11, 2008 12:03 AM Permalink
So there is no virus in my computer. So I post message. Hope you guys that I am rather informed on the subject. I really do not know what caste is all about? Good night
I get a deep sense of pleasure to see logic going down to the drains.
And I love it !!!!
Its all because of the faulty selection system.
These lawyers turned judges are at the end of the day were student of ARTS. And you know how much logic those students have. Mostly, in India those students who are good for nothing pick ARTS. Primary choice is Science follwed by economics/commerce and then comes ART`s.
These people have mugged up history/literature/language books and got marks by reproducing it verbatim in exams.
When were they forced to use the logical part of the brain?
This is what you produce?
Supremem court judges...who think malpractiCe by doctors cannot be tried ...arrest somebody who made an unsuccessful suicide attempt....
RE:This is the genre ARTs students,who could not compete in science and became Judges
by a a on Apr 11, 2008 12:03 AM Permalink
Do u mean selfish brains like yours. Grow up!!
RE:This is the genre ARTs students,who could not compete in science and became Judges
by gac on Apr 11, 2008 12:03 AM Permalink
huh... u've come here too... anyways again the same for u........ ur idea of ppl opting for arts really sucks, this shows ur immaturity of ur brain. if u r still in school pls consult some matured ppl to select ur discipline of studies according to ur areas of interest.
RE:This is the genre ARTs students,who could not compete in science and became Judges
by geela parul on Apr 11, 2008 12:10 AM Permalink
Dear gac....I missed you there....but found you here......how lucky !!!
Tell me where you have logically challenged your brains in the entire course of your ART`s based education.
I tell you what, because you dont know it youself more over how would you know when you have not experienced it.
Its not your fault. Its the way our system of Art`s education has been structured.
I am NOT saying all the science graduates are good but the propensity to find somebody is relatively high...same is true for Arts also.
But how do you select those kind of people?
The exams are memory based and somebody topping shows more talent for reproduction than their own thought process...
It all depends on how you are tested.
In India the testing in the Arts is more memory based than logic based...
RE:This is the genre ARTs students,who could not compete in science and became Judges
by gac on Apr 11, 2008 12:20 AM Permalink
my subject is creative art, probably u cant even understand how it goes. i chose my subject based on my interest rather then going in heard for some science just bcoz everyone running behind it and that is the only place where u think u can make money. art guys do what their head says, science guyz do what others do... in short we are action n science are reactions
RE:This is the genre ARTs students,who could not compete in science and became Judges
by geela parul on Apr 11, 2008 12:27 AM Permalink
Right....Good for you ? Dont hop so much buddy? If you are that good make a difference in people`s life...apart from just entertainment...
Can you do anything apart from adertisement / entertainment...
You can if...you have the logic behind you.
I would wait to see what you can do1!!! and I willl be proud of this acquintance
RE:This is the genre ARTs students,who could not compete in science and became Judges
by Mera Bharat on Apr 11, 2008 12:29 AM Permalink
Comeon....In his days there was no reservation. So he hasn't got admission in Sciense. Now he need reservation for his kids so that they will get admission in sciense in 10 2. His kids will pass it with 35/40% but they will get admission in Engineering or probabaly MBBS. Again they will pass the MBBS in 10yrs & then they will get admission in MD. they will pass it in nex 5 yrs.. But after that He will be proud father of a Doctor.
The real backwardness in education in India is due to its ECONOMIC BACKWARDNESS, not social backwardness. The poor people, irrespective of what their so called caste is, cannot afford to be in a PRIMARY school because they are helping their parents make money for the family denying themselves education. The Govt should focus on improving PRIMARY SCHOOL EDUCATION standards and how to make sure that poor children COMPLETE THEIR HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION.
The Govt should encourage private sector to run PRIMARY SCHOOLS and allow them to OFFSET their school expenditure against their regular income. Socially conscious private companies will then come forward to help educating the villages. They can also offer jobs to the parents to wean them away from depending on their children to supplement their income. There can be some rules that can be laid around this. This will help spread primary education in the villages where there is an absolute need. This will start changing the educational achievement of the nation. IT IS NOT THE ACADEMIC BACKWARDNESS, IT IS THE ECONOMIC BACKWARDNESS WHICH IS CAUSING THE PROBLEM.
Guru Basavanna founded a new Relegion called " Lingayata". Few contemporaries like Siddharama called it as "Basava Dharma" as it was founded by Guru Basavanna is a non-Hindu, non-Vedic Faith for following reasons: - Hinduism has no one single founder where as Lingayatism has Lord Basavanna as its founder-prophet. - Hinduism based on the preachings of Vedas, Agamas, Bhagawadgita, Mahabharata, Ramayana, Bhagawata, etc. where as Basavanna questioned the authority of all these Hindu Scriptures and rejected many of the tenets contained therein. Vachana literature which opposed four-fold caste system, untouchability, polytheism, inequality and preached equality, monotheism etc. is the authoritative source of knowledge for Lingayats. - Main ritual of Hinduism is Homa, Yajna and Sacrifice. Lingayat religion totally rejects and opposes such rituals. - Hinduism considers places like Kashi, Tirupathi etc as holy and rivers like Ganga, Yamuna etc as sacred. It believes visiting of such places and taking dip in holy rivers will absolve all sins committed. Lingayatism does not consider any such places on earth as holy and any river or pond as sacred and mere dip in water will absolve all sins. Concept of sin and merit in Hinduism and Lingayatism is completely different. - Lingayats do not chant either Geeta or Gayatri, do not worship either Ganga or Govu. - Hinduism believes in 5 pollutions- pollution of birth, death, caste, menstruation and orts. Lingayatism rejects these 5 pollutio
RE:The BJP claims it Unifies Hindus. Yet it fans rife between Tamilians and Kannadigas. Why? The BJP in Karnataka is party of Lingayats, led by Yediruppa. The Lingayata are the most casteist community in India. Why?
by rajana on Apr 10, 2008 11:56 PM Permalink
Lingayats claim that they abolished caste system and yet they are the most casteist in India. All other communities must adopt tactical voting to defeat Lingayat (BJP) rule - vote any party well placed to beat Lingayat (BJP) candidate in any constituency. Make BJP forfeit deposit. Last time BJP forfeited deposit in 42 seats. This time we can aim to triple it
The Godhra riots is a good example. Gujurat being communaly polarized has given Modi his 3rd term. Now the BJP is replicating a modified version of this strategy - dividing Tamilians & Kanndigas who lived peacefully together for ages. Two years in power, Yedriruppa felt no need to visit Hoggenakal. Elections round the corner, he visits Hoggenakal and gives provocative speech designed to make Kannidigas and Tamilian Hindus fight
BJP's long term ally, Shiv Sena in Maharashtra similarly targets North Indians. In the intial stages of their political history, ironically they targeted South Indians but during the Aydhoya period, switched to Muslims as they thought there was better political capital to be made.
Like rivers switching their course, these divisive parties switch their targets. It could be Muslims one day and one can say it does not concern me as I'm not Muslim. They then turn to North Indians we say it does not concern us as we are not North Indians. Suddenly they start targeting you because you are either a Kanndiga or Tamilian and the reality hits home. The worst are those who have mixed parentage. In this Hogenakkalissue, thousands of offsprings whose parents are Tamil & Kanndiga are left extremely distressed.
If you still not one of them, don't worry. Tomorrow, these same parties will target you on the basis of your caste.It is time to show Divisive parties, may it be BJP, Muslim League or BSP their place- throw them into the Bay of Bengal!
Why should a Resreved doctor's or engineer's or IAS's or Scientist or MP or MLA's children need Reservation????
Their parents(who alreay enjoyed the fruits of reservaton and have all facilities) must be punished if they are not able to make their progeny capable enough to compete
RE:Creamy layer exclusions should de done in every resrevation
by Ravi on Apr 10, 2008 11:55 PM Permalink
Sadaf Kapoor Creamy layer(people earning more than 2 lakh) are excluded.Read the ruling properly
RE:Creamy layer exclusions should de done in every resrevation
by Sadaf Kapoor on Apr 10, 2008 11:58 PM Permalink
I said about all reservations too. Reservation should benefit the real needy among bakward castes too.
