People like Venkata laiah are very upset as the facts are revealved. There is nothing wrong in revealing them. Infact,these are open facts and I personally feel that everyone should know about the geology and geography of the place we live. Only then, we will appreciate, protect various nature's gifts and live with sharing tendency as brothers and sisters. "Science without humanity is not only useless but positively dangerous".
RE:Open facts
by Manasa Sarovara on Apr 05, 2008 06:04 PM Permalink
Saigeetha every one knows the fact who is what..? if i had time i would have copy pasted history but i dont have so much patience to copy paste from history books... Yur efforts are inadequate
RE:RE:Open facts
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 06:07 PM Permalink
I am not copying and pasting these messages from any history books. These messages were posted by me in other rediff forums relating tothis issue. I am only copying and pasting my own messages from other forum. I am not a dumb to go by others' views
RE:RE:Open facts
by joen jenson on Apr 05, 2008 06:07 PM Permalink
Take your own time and get prepared Mr/Miss Manasa Sarovara. But we want the truth please........
RE:RE:RE:RE:Open facts
by joen jenson on Apr 05, 2008 06:18 PM Permalink
People like Venkata laiah are very upset as the facts are revealved. There is nothing wrong in revealing them. Infact,these are open facts
RE:Open facts
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 06:21 PM Permalink
Kindly stop posting hollow messages. Your posts show you are a person with little or absolutely no knowledge on these issues. But it is understood that you are not able to digest these facts. Facts are always bitter. Try to argue scientically in a more dignified way.
RE:RE:Open facts
by venkata laiah on Apr 05, 2008 06:25 PM Permalink
What is your knowledge size? shall bring 100 GB CD or shall bring super computer with 100 Terra bytes of coputer disk space, so that we can copy all your knowledge base into super computer, and safe guard, in Advanced computing center of india to for future R&D.
RE:Open facts
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 06:30 PM Permalink
Mr,Laiah. Kindly stop posting hollow messages. Your posts show you are a person with little or absolutely no knowledge on these issues. But it is understood that you are not able to digest these facts. Facts are always bitter. Try to argue scientically in a more dignified way.
RE:Open facts
by ennamo po on Apr 05, 2008 06:07 PM Permalink
Say.. you don't have history. With no knowledge about the matter I am wondering how you kannadigas are putiing your venom.
RE:Open facts
by joen jenson on Apr 05, 2008 06:22 PM Permalink
People like Venkata laiah are very upset as the facts are revealved. There is nothing wrong in revealing them. Infact,these are open facts
RE:Open facts
by venkata laiah on Apr 05, 2008 05:58 PM Permalink
what fact you reveled, As if you invented some Geographical algorithms. Some earth theroy,
RE:Open facts
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 06:05 PM Permalink
If I start writing the Earth's magnanimity and its great force to create, feed and destroy, then we humans will hang our heads in shame over our jeolousy, betrayal, artificially created boundaries and our claim over the natural resources. This forum will not have space for that.
RE:Open facts
by TOOLS BANGALORE on Apr 05, 2008 07:24 PM Permalink
there are facts, there are emotions, people will always love facts but they react emotionally. Hogenakal is an issue it could have been handled through facts by a veteran politician like Karunanidhi. instead he has commented to create an emotional outburst.In fact he always create situations like this. look at ramsethu issue. one has to become meture by age but for Karunanidhi age does not matter.he is also playing politics by airing these views.
RE:Open facts
by ennamo po on Apr 05, 2008 05:56 PM Permalink
I appreciate your good work. Forget about laiah. He will come prove to be stup id again anad again.
RE:Open facts
by ennamo po on Apr 05, 2008 06:21 PM Permalink
Forget about Laiah. I would request you put in the messages, in all forums discussing about this issue. Let the kannadas be enlightened with truths and facts.
RE:RE:Open facts
by venkata laiah on Apr 05, 2008 06:30 PM Permalink
Tamils all are born under Bhaodhi Tree, Tamils are all enilightned by birth, Every tamil family has a bodhi tree in front of theier house, No need of study, simply they go and sit under the tree and get enlightned.
RE:Open facts
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 06:32 PM Permalink
Kindly stop posting hollow messages. Your posts show you are a person with little or absolutely no knowledge on these issues. But it is understood that you are not able to digest these facts. Facts are always bitter. Try to argue scientically in a more dignified way.
RE:RE:Open facts
by venkata laiah on Apr 05, 2008 06:36 PM Permalink
Amma saigeetha! Big solute for you, i have no knowledge, your have much of knowlge, not even 10 super computer not enough for knowledge base. Happy now!!!!!!!
Yes one should respect ones karmabhoomi, but not at the expense of matrubhoomi. Rajnikanth has set a bad example by insulting his motherland Karnataka, the land where he was born and spent his formative years, the land that laid the foundation for his future career (his first movie was in Kannada). They say skin colour doesn't lie - what a dark character this rajni turned out to be!
RE:Rajni is a traitor!
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 05:58 PM Permalink
Friend, We should speak and do what is right wherever we are. Our speech and deed shouldn't be bounded by human created boundaries. A small profit for a country can become a threatning disaster for another. Which side you will choose?.
RE:Rajni is a traitor!
by joen jenson on Apr 05, 2008 05:53 PM Permalink
Dude, He was born on Mumbai and brought up to Karanataka. Mumbai is Pakistan and karanataka is china and tamilnadu is bangaladesh. Questioning of indian intergrity is nothing but questioning of their mother's virgin. think before post such a nonsense.
RE:Rajni is a traitor!
by venkata laiah on Apr 05, 2008 06:00 PM Permalink
Dude, He is not born in Mumbai, Gopala krishna right, rajani born in Karnataka only, But rajani fore fathers are from maharastra.
RE:Rajni is a traitor!
by ennamo po on Apr 05, 2008 05:58 PM Permalink
Rajni yesterday said, he stands on the side of truth and dharma. Forget about which bhoomi.
The old man in TN is only playing a game.The whole thing was stage-managed by the oldie & the congis to divide the hindus.Beware of their tactics.Look at the timing & then the withdrawl.We are no fools.we can very clearly see their gameplan. Please remain united even in adversity.
RE:No worry!!!!!!!!!!!
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 05:34 PM Permalink
Bharat, Kindly read the below messages and enlighten yourself. You will understand who is playing game?.
RE:No worry!!!!!!!!!!!
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 05:48 PM Permalink
Wrong, I am a geophysical research Scientist and I am aware of all these facts. I post these messages not as a Tamilian or Kannadiga but as a human. Understood?.
RE:No worry!!!!!!!!!!!
by joen jenson on Apr 05, 2008 05:39 PM Permalink
Stomach Burner, It is in Hogenakkal. but the problem is in Tamilnadu. How can u come inside
RE:No worry!!!!!!!!!!!
by venkata laiah on Apr 05, 2008 05:45 PM Permalink
No problem, To enlighten our heart, we have to go wherever Bhodhi Tree is there!!! How Buddha come from Nepal to India, that is Bhodh gaya in bhihar.
Let me add few more points to the already posted information. Many kannada friends argued why Hogenakkal has been chosen for the project and not mettur. Mettur reservoir is surrounded in the north by Shervaroyan hills, the meeting point of eastern ghats and a part of western ghats. It is practically impossible and extremely expensive to lay huge pipes thro' these mountains. Morover mettur is in lower riparian region than Hogenakkal, Dharmapuri and Krishanagiri districts.
Secondly, Hogenakkal can be the only ideal place from where huge quantities of water can be pumped due to its depth and its eastward inclination towards Dharmapuri. So the TN project is entirely genuine and valid
RE:Why only Hogenakkal?
by Praveen Kumar on Apr 05, 2008 06:44 PM Permalink
Hey u doggy have u ever seen a TN history book?? Were u born in karnataka (or) pakistan? Why do u spew this much hatred? Be stupid like this forever.. Because of u guys .. our country's integrity is at stake. Be an Indian first!
RE:Why only Hogenakkal?
by venkata laiah on Apr 05, 2008 08:20 PM Permalink
by venkata laiah on Apr 05, 2008 06:51 PM | Hide message Anna Praveen kumar! I dont know tamil, You know tamil, Then read tamil, then you learn all indian lagnuage, u are the only patriatic, rest of the entire 99.9999 crore of people or not patriotic. Big solute for you. Happy!!
RE:Why only Hogenakkal?
by voice on Apr 05, 2008 10:30 PM Permalink
99.9999, I never knew that people are accounted for in decimals.......so who is that fractional human being....must be you!.....is it salute or solute......and for what reason are you fighting like cats and dogs?.....these petty politicians are playing dirty politics and once again the common man who is their votebank is like a puppet.....they play with peoples sentiments, but in the end everyone who genuinely feel for this cause will be nothing but a bunch of JOKERS in their eyes....why fight amongst yourselves for the benefit of selfish politicians who cannot speak the truth openly???.....they are even better actors than those in the films
RE:Why only Hogenakkal?
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 05:35 PM Permalink
Wrong, I am a geophysical research Scientist and I am aware of all these facts. I post these messages not as a Tamilian or Kannadiga but as a human. Understood?.
Morover, every year Karnataka gets more rainfall due to south west monsoon along the western ghats similar to kerala whereas TN is in water shadow region but gets from North east monsoon primarily by cyclones. About 8 years back,the north east monsoon failed and karnataka failed to release even half of the allocated water, farmers were at the verge of collapse as all the three types of paddy crops destryed due to severe drought. TN Govt again came to the rescue by waiving all the loans provided by Tamilnadu Cooperative societies. The good thing is that TN farmers never borrow money from money lenders and hence survive even during acute crisis.
RE:Crisis
by uttam rao on Apr 05, 2008 07:20 PM Permalink
Districts of Mysore, Chamarajnagar, Mandya, Bangalore, Hassan (partial) and Tumkur are in rain-shadow area and not the other way round. Correct your facts. Your argument is based on an incorrect premise. Kerala type rain is enjoyed by Western districs only and not by rain shadow regions in KN. How about excessive ground water enjoyed by TN districs which is absent in KN?
RE:Crisis
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 07:44 PM Permalink
Though they are rain shadow regions, they get good rainfall due to their good elevation to facilaite more precipitation. So naturally There districts are well off than 80% of TN's arid landscape.
RE:RE:Crisis
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 07:47 PM Permalink
You must be aware that elevation facilitates good condensattion of water vapour in the atmosphere. This is true with the mentioned districts by you and it is proved with analysis of Global Positioning System derived coordinates
RE:RE:RE:Crisis
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 07:55 PM Permalink
Groundwater levels vary with place to place with each state. Your argument doesn't hold true for all TN's cauvery districts. For example,if you take Dharmapuri, salem districts, the landscape is highly rocky and uneven, hence the groundwater quantity in these districts is less. But due to the then TN govt's populist move, compulsory rain harvesting tanks in each household and establishments has become a boon for TN. But denying cauvery water citing groundwater level as a reason is atrocious as the extent of cultivated area between these two states vary enormously.
RE:Crisis
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 08:25 PM Permalink
Mr.Uttam Rao, We are not denying water for the unirrigated arid lands of the mentioned regions. First, we should introspect the type of landscape in all these connected regions. Mandya, Chamrajnager, Bangaorlore rural, Kolar in Karnataka, Dharmapuri, Krishnagiri, Thiruvannamalai districts of TN, Cuppam, Anantapur districts in Andhra have more or less similar lanscape i.e. rocky terrain and uneven. Agriculture in such places is not as easy as in plains. Blaming TN as not letting Karnatak people to do agriculture in an arid lanscape is unfair. This is the same case with TN farmers in Dharmapuri and Krishnagiri districts.
RE:Crisis
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 06, 2008 09:44 AM Permalink
In addition, Karnataka built a 72 mile artificial channel to facilitate irrigation by diverting water to more areas in addition to the 100 mile long river flowing in KN. So certainly water cannot be an issue but its just misguiding argument that KN politicians using in this issue.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Crisis
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 08:32 PM Permalink
An unirrigated land can point to a lot of reasons not just water. I again emphasis that the mentioned areas are arid because of the rocky terrain. Lack of water holds only for Anantapur district (AP),Thiruvannamalai districts (TN) and adjoining regions as there is no major river nearby in addition to the rocky terrain but certainly not with the cauvery fed districts of Karnataka.
RE:Crisis
by uttam rao on Apr 05, 2008 08:07 PM Permalink
I think you have not visited unirrigated areas in the above mentioned regions. These areas are arid as well without irrigation irrespective of marginally better rainfall. Nothing worthwhile grows just based on rain water. Denying irrigation to these areas citing colonial agreements is harsh on farmers of those regions. Isn't it. Still over 40% (could be more) of area in cauver basin of karnataka is unirrigated. Is this being fair on those farmers?
RE:Crisis
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 06, 2008 09:06 AM Permalink
Mr. Uttam Rao, You are contradicting your own statements. You earlier said the mentioned districts in KN are unirrigated and now irrigated though arid lands. I am quite clear with my views. How can we people in low riparian region object to irrigation in high riparian states?. Your dams are always full thoughout the year and so there is certainly no issues in regard to water. Its you who have to make use of the available resources including Cauvery. Morover, TN is a pioneer in agriculture for millennia. So there can be little to be learned from you.
RE:Crisis
by uttam rao on Apr 05, 2008 11:35 PM Permalink
This again proves your lack of knowledge of the terrain in KN. Yes, agri is harder than the plains. Does that mean that water should be exclusive to plains. What TN govt does in Dharmapuri and elsewhere in TN is its choice. Certainly cannot argue that water should be denied because of that. Just look at Mandya before irrigation and after irrigation. It was just about any other arid region that has been converted to a good agricultural land. Similar is the case with Bangalore rural, hassan, Tumkur as well. Only if water is made available. May be Dharmapuri can learn a lesson here about agriculture in arid areas. It is intent that is important - whether you are willing to share whatever is there in the river. Not about denying rights to co-riparian states because one has started using waters earlier than the other. BTW, this is in response to your comments on rocky terrain in South Karnataka
RE:RE:RE:RE:Crisis
by uttam rao on Apr 05, 2008 08:12 PM Permalink
How about districts in flood plains. It is documented fact that there is good groundwater reserves in those areas. Farmers can survive vagaries of monsoon atleast for an year. TN may not want farmers to use this as this could weaken its case for more water from KN
Everytime Karnataka cried that it was meted out injustice by the Supreme court and the Tribunal and denied to obey the orders vehementely. Supreme court and tribunal ordered based on the all the points described by the previous posts and much more. Remember the centre sends grievence committee every year to these states to access the situation. Its TN who suffered despite of the court's order. I am sure Karnataka people are always misguided and provoked by their politicians and vedike activists regarding these facts for their narrow political gains. But the irony is Tamilnadu and its people are always blamed for these issues. Its like punishing the victims. I found some north indian friends who are mixing up Hindi/Tamil(or Ram setu) debate with this issue and abuse Tamils. If you dont know, kindly refrain from making such absurd comments By meting out severe injustice to TN people on all these issues, now they are hell bent to derail the drinking water supply project(which they have already agreed in exchange of Bangalore water supply project) to two heavily water starved districts of northern TN(that too from TN's side). Have humanistic feelings towards your brothers and sisters.
RE:Tribunal
by uttam rao on Apr 05, 2008 07:26 PM Permalink
Why not build a multi-purpose dam at Hogenkal serving the concerns of both KN and TN and allow it to be managed by Central Govt. That way, KN will know how much water will be used by TN for Hogenkal project before mettur from reliable sources. Why is TN loathe to the idea of a multi-purpose dam at that site to be built by NHPC or any central govt agency. Looks like it is not mere drinking water project and there is more than what meets the eye.
RE:Tribunal
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 08:04 PM Permalink
Mr.Uttam Rao, A multi purpose dam cannot be built at Hogenakkal as its distance from Mettur reservoir is within 100 kms. Two dams shouldn't be built within 100 kms radius that too in seismically active zone. The largest fault in South India runs closer to this region and constructing two dams nearby will put people in this region in greater risk. Morover, TN cannot divert this water for agricultural purpose because about 70% of Dharmapuri and krishnagiri districts are covered by rain forests. Agriculture is comparatively less as it is a rocky lanscape.
RE:Tribunal
by uttam rao on Apr 05, 2008 11:46 PM Permalink
In fact this was not the real reason for not goig for that. NHPC was ready to build a series of dams including one at Hogenkal. But, TN not only wanted a share of power from ones on the border like Hogenkal, but also on dams that are to be located deep in KN. Why should KN agree to share power generated from dams exclusively located in its territory? So, these dams have not taken off. Regarding seismic region, If terai region & JK (more seismically sensitive) can have mutiple dams, smaller dams can certainly be constructed upstream only if states agree.
RE:Tribunal
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 06, 2008 09:16 AM Permalink
Mr.Uttam Rao, Your statements show that you donot want share anything that comes from within your territories. This exactly the problem with Karnataka. If we go by your argument, then power generated from Neyveli Lignite Corporation should not be shared. You should be aware that most of the Bangalore's power comes from here. Morover, dams are always associated with seismicity and you cannot deny the facts that more dams nearby will certainly put lives to risk. The geological pattern always differ place to place and additionally, there is no power plant to be built in Hogenakkal but mere drinking water project.
RE:Tribunal
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 08, 2008 03:55 PM Permalink
I just deviated slightly. Regarding power sharing between KN and TN on dams to be built by NHPC, we should understand that any project undertaken such as building dams in upper riparian states will affect the lower riparian states and not the vice versa. If TN allows multiple dams to be constructed inside KN, certainly agriculture in TN will be affected to a great extent. Indeed, I should point out KN constructed nearly 12 smaller dams across cauvery but obtained permission from TN only for two. Is this fair?.
Hogenakkal project(not even a dam) is very well within TN and that too from the allocated share. This project will not affect the interests of KN as it the water has already left the state. Friends, kindly oppose only if affects your farmers' interests. Dont oppose for the sake of doing it.
RE:Tribunal
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 08, 2008 11:30 AM Permalink
Karnataka is not justified in saying it cannot share anything from within its borders. If you visit Madivala in Bangalore between 3 am to 7 am, you will see loads of fruits, vegetables, Bananas, coconuts, Banana leaves,betel leaves,eggs, Broiler Chickens being unloaded from Trucks from Tamilnadu. More than half of the daily commodities mentioned above that Bangalore consumes are from Tamilnadu. Can TN stop all these and if it does, its only Karnataka that suffers. There was a huge demand for all these commodities(and severe price rise) when trucks were stopped by KN goondas during Rajkumar death and Cauvery tribunal award row. Its like throwing mud on one's own head.
RE:Tribunal
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 08, 2008 11:33 AM Permalink
I meant that more than 50% of all the commodities mentioned bangalore consumes are from TN
Cauvery flows for a distance of 475 miles from Coorg hills in Karnataka to Bayof Bengal in southeastward direction. It travels for ~100 miles inside Karnataka. KN constructed an artificial channel of 72 miles inside KN to divert water to more areas. In TN, it travels nearly 320 miles baring Pondicherry. Karnataka built two huge dams namely Krishrajasagar(KRS) and Kabini for 100 miles whereas TN has a major reservoir in Mettur and a comparatively smaller but ancient Grand Anicut(Kallanai - built ny Karikalachola 1700 years ago) for 320 mile lengthy river.
Water is stored in KRS and Kabini reservoirs in full throughout the year and release less quantity than the allocated share. Whenever there is heavy rainfall in water catchment area (i.e.Western ghats), excess water is suddenly released flooding the whole heavily cultivated plains of TN forcing people to live in distress. Karnataka uses TN just as the drainage channel to let excess water.
Now readers can tell us who is acting as the big brother and who suffers?.
RE:RE:Drainage channel?
by uttam rao on Apr 05, 2008 07:01 PM Permalink
With or without KN building those dams, lower areas in TN are floodplains and will get affected irrespective of whether a dam is there or not. A geologist must have known this for sure!
RE:Drainage channel?
by ennamo po on Apr 05, 2008 07:08 PM Permalink
Storing water in a dam for long and releasing at once during heavy rainfall is what she meant. YOu don't need to be a geologist for understanding this, if you have least brain..
RE:Drainage channel?
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 07:10 PM Permalink
I agree with you Mr. Uttam Rao to some extent. In case, KRS and Kabini are not constructed, water would flow with almost constant velocity over the plains of TN but if it released all of a sudden from these reservoirs during rain (to avoid flooding in KN) more than the capacity of Mettur reservoir, then you can imagine the amount of destruction unleashed in the plains.
RE:Drainage channel?
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
Water flowing in constant velocity (even during full flow) cause less destruction that flowing in higher and varying velocity.
RE:Drainage channel?
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 08:09 PM Permalink
Nature's floods cannot be avoided but human induced flood can be avoided. are you happy in forcing artificial floods in TN. Mr. Rao.
RE:RE:Drainage channel?
by uttam rao on Apr 05, 2008 11:52 PM Permalink
Madam, you should look at stats for that: # of floods before dam was constructed and # that happened after. Give your opinion after that. You will know the truth yourself. It is not as if there are no floods in KN. Nobody is free of nature's fury. If KN just causes floods in TN deliberately without suffering itself, your argument would have been justified.
RE:Drainage channel?
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 06, 2008 10:30 AM Permalink
Certainly, nature's fury cannot be stopped but you can stop artificial floods by more disaster management. Remember the Cauvery plains are flooded during the South west monsoon(June-August) which brings heavy rain to the western India whereas the northeast monsoon starts only after August. And also these cyclones bring good rainfall to TN coasts but never cause excessive floods as 95% of them cross the continents between central Andhra and southern Orissa. So floods in AP and orissa are caused by cyclones and certainly not the floods of TN. Even the central cauvery plains are heavily flooded during south west monsoon. Thats because of the sudden flow of excess water from KN dams.
Hogenakkal is not a dispute area in official records. The largest bank is inside Tamilnadu and has been developed by Tamilnadu Tourism for decades together and this place can be reached by entering tamilnadu only. Tourists from Bangalore have to travel to Dharmapuri, Pennagaram and then arrive at Hogenakkal. They travel nearly 150 km inland TN to reach Hogenakkal. The smaller bank at karnataka's side is totally inaccesible by roads and is not maintained by KN's Tourism. Only illicit liquor is sold there. Suddenly a place cannot be claimed without records. During Veerappan's time, those who are claiming now never even dreamt of that. Now they are forging into the TN's side ib boats and abuse TN boatsmen. I have seen this by myself.
RE:illegal claim
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 07:14 PM Permalink
Nothing like that. Indeed it was TN's police who killed him near Dharmapuri. At the same time, I do agree that he had strong connections with few TN, KN politicians and Rajkumar's son in smuggling Sandalwood.
Cauvery river flows in three districts of karnataka (Coorg, Mysore and Mandya) whereas it flows in 9 districts of Tamilnadu namely Dharmapuri,Salem,Erode,Karur,Trichy,Tanjore,Tiruvarur, Nagapattinam,Kumbakonam and merges in Bay of Bengal at Kaveripoompattinam(Pondicherry). The land cultivated with Cauvery in TN than that of Karnataka geographically. Cauvery is not a major river when compared to Krishna in Karnataka(but it is projected in contrary to the fact). Coorg is hilly and has less agricultural land whereas the two districts namely Mysore and Mandya rely on Cauvery for agriculture. But in Tamilnadu, cauvery flows in highly cultivated 8 districts (these lands are irriagted for thousands and thousands of years). In fact, Karikala cholan built Kallanai(stone dam) 1700 years ago across Cauvery(this is the oldest usable dam in the world today). Karnataka is a huge state(bigger than TN) and it just not consists only these 3 districts. Most of the western, Central and North Karnataka people never involve themselves in this dispute(they constitute nearly 80% of the total population). The central and north Karnataka are underdeveloped and only the south Karnataka comprising in and around Bangalore and Mysore are developed due to IT. The central Karnataka though a highly water fed region(thanks to the sprawling western ghats and its rain forests) has not seen development in terms of educational institutions, food management and other social issues.
RE:Sorry state of affairs
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 05:20 PM Permalink
contd, Most of the north central and north east karnataka are dry and it witnessed the highest number of farmer suicides in KN this crop year.
This sorry state of affairs exists because KN politics is dominated by people belonging to southern districts. Thatswhy, time and again they make this cauvery issue a major political drama. This is not the same with Krishna river eventhough a water sharing dispute exists between Karnataka and Andhra over Krishna river.
But in TN, Cauvery if the lifeline and thatswhy if the water is deficient, crores of people are affected. Even then, TN never witnessed farmer suicides as in Maharastra and KN beacuse some of the populist movements by TN govt. TN is highly industrialised and the development is equally spread. During Crisis, they move to places like Tiruppur, Sivakasi, Madurai etc for their livelihood. Only people from dharmapuri and Krishnagiri districts move to Bangalore as it is closer.
RE:Sorry state of affairs
by Varun on Apr 05, 2008 06:01 PM Permalink
dear, u dont know about karnataka, u like narrow minded (annachhi) peoples only thing about tamil and tamilnadu, u peoples don't bother about others, think with broad mind
RE:Sorry state of affairs
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 06:15 PM Permalink
I am aware of Karnataka as much as Tamilnadu. I post these messages not as a Tamilian or Kannadiga but as a human.
RE:Sorry state of affairs
by Subash Shukla on Apr 05, 2008 07:04 PM Permalink
TO CUT THE LONG STORY OF WARRING STATES OF INDIA SHORT - WHAT IS THE OPINION OF PEOPLE HERE ABOUT ESTABLISHING A FACT THAT ALL RIVERS OF INDIA ARE "NATIONAL ASSETS". ALL PROJECTS ON THESE RIVERS ARE "NATIONAL PROJECTS" NO STATES HAVE RIGHTS OVER THE NATIONAL RIVERS AND PROJECTS EXCEPT TO SHARE ITS WATERS AS DECIDED BY A SEPARATE AUTHORITY LIKE "SEBI" OR "CVC". NO SUCH NATIONAL RIVER OR NATIONAL PROJECT CAN BE TAKEN TO SUPREME COURT FOR ADJUDICATION EXCEPT THE SAID "RIVER AUTHORITY". SUCH ISSUES ARE ALWAYS RIGHT FROM EACH STATE'S VIEW AND WRONG ALWAYS FROM THE VIEW OF THE NEIGHBOURING STATE. THIS HAS BEEN CREATING HATRED AND ANIMOSITY BETWEEN STATES AS IF THEY ARE 2 SEPARATE NATIONS. IF INDIA CAN SHARE WATERS OF INDUS AND ITS TRIBUTARIES WITH PAKISTAN AND WATERS AND GANGA AND BRAHMAPUTRA WITH BANGLADESH WHY CANNOT THE INDIAN STATES PEACEFULLY AND HAPPILY THE BENEFITS OF "LOKMATA" RIVERS BETWEEN THEMSELVES? THERE SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING MISSING FROM OUR INDIAN PSYCHE - THIS IS BECAUSE WE GOT OUR FREEDOM "FREE OF COST" WE DID NOT SACRIFICE SUFFICIENTLY TO ACHIEVE OUR INDEPENDENCE. WE JSUT HAD A SITUATION WHERE THE RULERS WHO THOUGH BEING THE WINNER OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR, WERE WITHOUT ANY CAPACITY TO ADMINISTER OR EFFECTIVELY RULE A HUGE COUNTRY LIKE INDIA DUE TO HUGE LOSSES OF THEIR ELITE AND FINANCES AND THE RULERS WERE FACING AN INCREASED PRESSURE FROM THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS OF THE RULED. IF WE HAD SUFFERED LIKE JAPAN OR GERMANY WE WOULD HAVE BETTER APPRECIATED OUR "FREEDOM".
RE:Sorry state of affairs
by venkata laiah on Apr 05, 2008 05:21 PM Permalink
How many times copy paste the same lines? There is no noble prize for copy past!!!
RE:Sorry state of affairs
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 05:26 PM Permalink
You people never agree despite of giving scientific facts. So there is nothing wrong in emphasizing again and again. I found you abusive statements time and again. I never question you?.
RE:Sorry state of affairs
by venkata laiah on Apr 05, 2008 05:30 PM Permalink
you must be found these facts only from TN history books, not from all india history book.
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by joen jenson on Apr 05, 2008 05:33 PM Permalink
Accept the fact and donot argue blindly. As per international law, Rivers is not belongs to orgin only.
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by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 05:32 PM Permalink
Wrong, I am a geophysical research Scientist and I am aware of all these facts. I post these messages not as a Tamilian or Kannadiga but as a human. Understood?.
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by joen jenson on Apr 05, 2008 05:57 PM Permalink
See , First the burner( Venkata laiah ) told this facts are wrong,and only in tamilnadu. Now the burner question for posting here. Why you kannada peoples obstructing purposefully. How dare you are peoples. this is not for welfare or profit orient. it is for drinking water dude. please co operate it
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by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 05:46 PM Permalink
These are open facts and there is no need for everyone to keep them as secret. Evryone should know the geology of the place we live. Only then, we will appreciate, protect various nature's gift and live with sharing tendency as brothers and sisters. "Science without humanity is not only useless but positively dangerous".
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by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 05:30 PM Permalink
Morover, karnataka people like you are posting distortive facts in all the forums relating to Hogenakkal issues?. These messages are to enlighten everyone on this subject and to enable to decide whose side is genuiene by themselves. I dont expect a Nobel Prize for this but my intention is to bring these facts to light. Why is your heart burning?.
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by joen jenson on Apr 05, 2008 05:31 PM Permalink
Even after you are closing ur eyes and speaking false with more venom. Good work Saigeetha
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by uttam rao on Apr 05, 2008 07:10 PM Permalink
Facts should be complete. Not incomplete. Cauvery basin in KN consists of Hassan, Tumkur and Bangalore Rural as well. In fact, part of bangalore city is in cauvery basin. Lot of these lands do not have irrigation precisely because TN objects to expansion of irrigation area citing a colonial agreement (1924). TN wants to the imperial power in South India as it wants to enforce colonial agreement on kerala as well. It is the attitude, "whatever is mine is mine and whatever is yours is up for grabs"
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by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 05, 2008 08:14 PM Permalink
Mr.Rao, I mentioned those districts in TN and Karnataka which have cauvery for more distance. When we speak in higher numbers, we tend to avoid negligible quantities. But the total distances that cauvery flows in these states given by me are quite correct. That speaks of the complete information regarding this subject though I didn't mention few districts both in TN&KN
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by uttam rao on Apr 06, 2008 12:03 AM Permalink
Madam, your arguement relied on the number three. Hence the clarification. Cauvery is not just in three districts of KN. It is in 8 districts out of 31 districts which is almost 25% of KN distritcs. Existence of other rivers no way minimizes its dependence on Cauvery. Other rivers will have to feed their own basin districts. Probably, you will appreciate KN's compulsion if you know that it is the second most arid state after Rajasthan. You might verify these facts yourself.
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by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 07, 2008 03:56 PM Permalink
Mr.Rao, Kindly dont get carried away by the no. of districts as the total distance a river travels is more meaningful to analyse and with this we can prove, Cauvery certainly doesn't flow in 25% of the total KN's land area (100 miles naturally and 75 miles artificially in KN govt made artificial channel) whereas it flows naturally in 320 miles in TN baring Pondichery. By this, we are quite clear that cauvery flows 1/3rd of its total length in KN and 2/3rd in TN. Karnataka's arid lands are concentrated in the northern and a piece of north east region and not southern and mid Karnataka (barring few patches. Cauvery doesn't come into picture in case of northern and north eastern Karnataka.
