The technique of algebraic computation was known and was developed in India in earlier times. From the 13th century onwards, India was subject to invasions from the Arabs and other Islamised communities like the Turks and Afghans.
Along with these invader: came chroniclers and critics like Al-beruni who studied Indian society and polity.
The Indian system of mathematics could no have escaped their attention. It was also the age of the Islamic Renaissance and the Arabs generally improved upon the arts and sciences that they imbibed from the land they overran during their great Jehad.
The system of mathematics they observed in India was adapted by them and given the name 'Al-Jabr' meaning 'the reunion of broken parts'. 'Al' means 'The' & 'Jabr' mean 'reunion'.
This name given by the Arabs indicates that they took it from an external source and amalgamated it with their concepts about mathematics.
RE:@ balaord (part-2)
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 07:44 AM Permalink
Do you kpow Mayans had a equivalent number system with zero? Do you know assiriyans had a number system? Do you know romans had number system? Do you know Egyptians had number system?
While I admit the ingenuity of Indian number system-it would have never reached the standard it is today if it is not for arabs!!!
RE:RE:@ balaord (part-2)
by Arnav Singh on Apr 03, 2008 07:46 AM Permalink
hey fren...lets stop here...u r not elegible to talk to me....first try to come out of ur religious shell....n then may b we can discuss like educated n sane people...till then bye...
RE:RE:RE:@ balaord (part-2)
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 07:49 AM Permalink
eligible? Kind sir?I make a living out of mathematics!!! Dont make sweepings statments and assume a high pedastal
RE:@ balaord (part-2)
by Comment on Apr 03, 2008 10:18 AM Permalink
Dear Balaord
Please dont make castles in the air come to ground reality. Answer me
1) As far as u no. is concerned why u people are Backward in modernisation,science and technology. 2) Why u dont stand anywhere in terms of militarily and economic power. 3) Why u r not strong in any of the sector whether manufacturing or Services(IT) 4) What is ur contribution to present world. 5) why u have maximum no of terrorists in the world. 6) why contriwes like Afghanisatan,Bangladesh,pakistan and iraq has gone into stone age. So dear rather than talking see the present conditions and do some introspection . Come out of ur shell ,use logics and there is the only way for salvation.
RE:@ balaord (part-2)
by Arnav Singh on Apr 03, 2008 07:55 AM Permalink
I belong to iit Delhi..SIR JI..I M NO LESS IN MATHEMATICS...I am also a post-graduate..n making my living by serving one of the top most research institute of india. Where u have done ur graduation n pg from??where do u teach??
RE:RE:@ balaord (part-2)
by Arnav Singh on Apr 03, 2008 07:57 AM Permalink
by elegibility..i also meant...."having no impressions of false religeous assumptions"..n u indeed..have that sting...
RE:@ balaord (part-2)
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 07:41 AM Permalink
improved upon?what stopped you guys from taking it to europe and introducing it in sanskrit itself? The truth is Greeks dont have indian number system and Indian mathematical system makes only heavy use number theory and no empahsis on geomterical interpretaion.But modern mathematics is based on indian number system and heavy empahsis on geometricl interpreation of concepts? Brining in these two into single system is what made the biggest leap in modern mathematics!!
RE:RE:@ balaord (part-2)
by Arnav Singh on Apr 03, 2008 07:44 AM Permalink
The rudiments of Geometry called Rekha-Ganita in ancient India - were formulated and applied in the drafting of Mandalas for architectural purposes.
wat did u get by this....?? Did u actually read all my posts below,,,?
RE:RE:RE:@ balaord (part-2)
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 07:47 AM Permalink
come on?where is your source?? It means nothing of some one just thought about it before 10,000 years.did it impact the world?did it contribute directly to the development of modern mathematics.. I do agree many great minds like Aryabhatta,baskara and books like siddhanta were written in India. But you guys make a exaggerated claim!!!
RE:@ balaord (part-2)
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 07:38 AM Permalink
Can you answer this question first? Arabic was the language of science for 1000 years and thats why books from other languages and other countries got translated to arabic. When there is a center of intellectual activity,it is only natural that this happens!!!
why on earth Indian number system has to go through Arabs? why on earth all the so called Greek knowldge has to be translated to arabic and then to Latin? Is Arabia very near to London that Greece?
Why no books were directly translated from sanskrit to chinnese..or sanskrit to greek? It is simple-Arabic was the language of science and thats why it took that route..
RE:@ balaord (part-2)
by Arnav Singh on Apr 03, 2008 07:42 AM Permalink
Even after reading all this..if u dont want to accept truth..then u r not qualified enough to have debate with me... U know wats the difference between u n me.... Despite of my association with world's oldest religion...i m giving u a support...that u too r not wrong..n i said...every religion has contribution...some where or other, in some sense or other..but u just dont want to b logical n sane...so no point in arguing with u...
RE:RE:@ balaord (part-2)
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 07:45 AM Permalink
proofwhich prrof you gave so far..It is me who is giving you all the reference from indisputable websites and institutions.. Where is your answer for my questions. Let is debate your math history!!!
Hello ....u better dont discuss abt history with me... i know much more than u...i can say this after seeing ur posts here (all of them).
-Yes i laughed...dere...u know y? b'coz...all religions run on beleifs...i hope u agree to this (wat u said earlier there shows that u agree to this philosophy). Now having said this....as far as beleifs r concerned...undoubtedly hinduism (not actually hinduism....but its father 'sanaatan dharma', hinduism i said to make u understand, as u have quiet much lesser knowledge) is the oldest religion of this planet 'earth' atleast.....i dont know abt ne other planet.
-Abt ur point of islamic science n mathematics n their proofs:
I have not seen those....but i agree u r right....giving u a benefit of doubt.
But then if u r comparing other religions with islam on these grounds....
dear go n read other religions scriptures n books as well.....then say.
"In India, mathematics has its roots in Vedic literature which is nearly 4000 years old. Between 1000 B.C. and 1000 A.D. various treatises on mathematics were authored by Indian mathematicians in which were set forth for the first time, the concept of zero, the techniques of algebra and algorithm, square root and cube root.
A method of graduated calculation was documented in the Pancha-Siddhantika (Five Principles) in the 5th Century. But the technique is said to be dating from Vedic times circa 2000 B.C.
The rudiments of Geometry called Rekha-Ganita in ancient India - wer
RE:@ balaord
by Arnav Singh on Apr 03, 2008 07:27 AM Permalink
The rudiments of Geometry called Rekha-Ganita in ancient India - were formulated and applied in the drafting of Mandalas for architectural purposes.
In ancient India conventional mathematics termed Ganitam was known before the development of algebra. This is borne out by the name - Bijaganitam, which was given to the algebraic form of computation.
Bijaganitam means the other mathematics (Bija means 'another' or 'second' and Ganitam means mathematics).
The fact that this name was chosen for this system of computation implies that it was recognized as a parallel system of computation, different from the conventional one which was used since the past and was till then the only one. "
On this topic..i can take a class of urs.....trust me..n i dont need ne other site to prove this (unlike u).n it will take much of my energy n our time.
RE:RE:@ balaord
by Arnav Singh on Apr 03, 2008 07:29 AM Permalink
Continued........
But y u want to discuss this at first place. Every religion has contributed in world history/science/mathmatics/engg....etc etc. But topic here is not that....topic is something else dear...
As usual this discussion board has become a mudslinging forum against Islam..They are only revealing their ignorance of the rich history of islam and how much it did for the human civilization-For a change let us read the views of Anoop Sarkar - Professor of Computer Science - Simon Fraser Univerisity He gives rather light weight credit to Islamic science-I am calling it light weight because he seems to have scholorly disagreement with the suitability of Arabic as the perfect medium of science.How ever he clearly laments the delibrate ommission of Islamic scientists by the western media and biased historians.He says it in his persoanl univeristy blog
...for instance, very few bother to mention any of the major Islamic scientists who not only preserved the Greek scientific tradition but extended and improved on it.In the rare cases when the ancient Islamic scientists contribution is mentioned they are portrayed as caretakers of previous scientific knowledge which they transmitted back to Europe just in time for the Renaissance. The truth, of course, is much more interesting...
RE:If being stuoid in history is a crime-Many here should be called dead criminals
by Arnav Singh on Apr 03, 2008 06:29 AM Permalink
Few handfull of people.....every where u find such people..what point do u want to make....y u need to go arab for that at first palce....we have too many scientists in india who r muslims n doing/done nice job. e.g.: apj abdul kalaam. but then people like them r respected here..no one hates all muslims....but hate who r terrorists...but unfortunately most of educated muslims support these goons...that is wat which angers most of the indians..u fool. Coming here n telling us abt arabs, US....We dont care..wats goin dere.Talk abt India...wats goin on here...fool.
RE:RE:If being stuoid in history is a crime-Many here should be called dead criminals
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 06:38 AM Permalink
Check this out..and see why the prestigious Mathematical Association of America is saying ..
..As Mathematicians we are all children of Islam..
Check MAA-s own webiste
maa.org/devlin/devlin_0708_02.html
Do you who says this? Kieth devlin (The Standardford Executive Director)
RE:If being stuoid in history is a crime-Many here should be called dead criminals
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 06:34 AM Permalink
I love India much more tha you guys do.I have more reasons to pray for India than not!!Didnt you laugh and exposed your utter ignorance of what Muslims belives? Muslims do belives Jesus as one of Mightiest prohet of GOD.Go and ask any Muslim on earth. This is such a obvious thing to Muslim and you seem to know more about it.That too laughing after making such a observation!!!
RE:RE:If being stuoid in history is a crime-Many here should be called dead criminals
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 06:36 AM Permalink
Few handfull of people.....>>>Again you showed how much history of science you are aware of. Listen to Europe-s highest mathematical body -School of Mathematics and Statistics University of St Andrews Scotland
...Recent research paints a new picture of the debt that we owe to Arabic/Islamic mathematics.Certainly many of the ideas which were previously thought to have been brilliant new conceptions due to European mathematicians of the sixteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth centuries are now known to have been developed by Arabic/Islamic mathematicians around four centuries earlier. In many respects mathematics studied today is far closer in style to that of the Arabic/Islamic contribution than to that of the Greeks.....
RE:If being stuoid in history is a crime-Many here should be called dead criminals
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 06:18 AM Permalink
cs.sfu.ca/~anoop/weblog/archives/000080.html
A sincere appeal to you. Try to be a good Muslim. But that should not stop you from being able to think. India is the only country which has given us true democracy. No other democratic country provides a special law to accomodate us. Inspite of this, if our brothers plan suicide bombings killing innocent muslims and non-muslims, I have lost all hopes.
In India, we blame Hindus for our mis-fortune. In the West, we blame Christians. So how come people in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Africa are suffering ? There is no oil there! Why are people in Saudi Arabia suffering ? What will happen after the oil reserves will dry out ?
If you dont change, I will discontinue being a muslim in the true sense. You will be responsible for this & be prepared to answer this on Judgement day. To satisfy my parents, I will still offer Namaz. But deep down, I will loose the faith.
How can our religious leaders so easily mis-interpret what Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) has written ? Being a student of science, I find it foolish to think that our God is different from their God. All major religions of the world were established when Islam didnt even exist! Were our ancestors not humans before Islam was created ? So if we are fighting in the name a religion, clearly the Path of Religion is not the same as Path of God.
I do not intend to hurt anyones sentiments. Nor am I giving anyone permission to abuse other Muslims. Even Hindus/Christians for that matter.
RE:Dear Muslim brothers
by salim on Apr 03, 2008 06:06 AM Permalink
I dont know who you are?whether real or fake!!.You are free to choose your religion and dont black mail that you will continue being a Muslim.This is 1.5 billion club. From your saying - major religions of the world were established when Islam didnt even exist-It is very clearn you have zero knowldge in islam. A small kid in any Muslim village will tell you Muhammed was just the last prohet of Islam and Islam acceppts Jesus ,Moses and many oher prophets of GOD. The first man Adam is a Prophet himself-so dont fool around and expose your ignorance!!
RE:Dear Muslim brothers
by Shahid on Apr 03, 2008 06:55 AM Permalink
Dear Brother Salim,
I have no problem with Islam. I have a problem with those who pretend to follow it.
When it is convenient, you call Christians and Jews as brothers ? That is a joke. Did you forget the Crusades ? Or are you forgetting what is currently happening in Falistina ? I am well aware that Islam considers Jesus and Moses as prophets. Muslims may have been Jews and Christians. But Christians and Jews are not Muslims. Tell a Jew that he is Muslim and see the response!
To fix a problem, we need to accept it first. Majority of people in our faith have more kids that they can support. How can they go to schools and be educated ? So it is easy to brainwash them in to becoming suicide bombers. It is unacceptable to me that they wander on the streets, either stay hungry or steal (Papi pet ka sawal hai). How can I as a true Human accept this ? Forget me, I may be a bad Muslim. How can you as a Good muslim accept this ? You seem to be saying with pride that we are a 1.5 billion club. It doesnt bother you that majority of the 1.5 billion do not get 2 square meals a day ? Probably you are unaware of what is happening in Africa, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq during Saddam etc.
RE:Dear Muslim brothers
by Arnav Singh on Apr 03, 2008 06:13 AM Permalink
@ salim Is this really wat u have been told.... hahhahaaahaaa u r kidding...right??? if not then...god help u..... :) dear, which world do u live in....?
RE:Dear Muslim brothers
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 06:21 AM Permalink
Read how Islam is winning the hearts of Hispanics in US from main stream US media-you will see how deserves to be laughed away?
St Pittusburg times sptimes.com/2008/02/09/Hillsborough/America_s_Muslim_popu.shtml
Voice of America - The US government funded media outlet on Islam's growing influence on Latino population
RE:RE:Dear Muslim brothers
by balaord on Apr 03, 2008 06:22 AM Permalink
A huge silent revolution is taking place among the hispanic popluation of US according to all popular US media
RE:Dear Muslim brothers
by Exposse on Apr 03, 2008 06:10 AM Permalink
Hello Mud head!!!which Islamic teacher taught you Islam didint exist before Muhammad? Why you care about Judgement day when you belife is based on what others do?
RE:RE:Dear Muslim brothers
by Comment on Apr 03, 2008 10:25 AM Permalink
Please dont make castles in the air come to ground reality. Answer me
1) As far as u no. is concerned why u people are Backward in modernisation,science and technology. 2) Why u dont stand anywhere in terms of militarily and economic power. 3) Why u r not strong in any of the sector whether manufacturing or Services(IT) 4) What is ur contribution to present world. 5) why u have maximum no of terrorists in the world. 6) why contriwes like Afghanisatan,Bangladesh,pakistan and iraq has gone into stone age. So dear rather than talking see the present conditions and do some introspection . Come out of ur shell ,use logics and there is the only way for salvation. Come out of barriers of religion choose the path of progress dont look back see why Americans,europeans and now indias progress.
My request to MP Police is...plz DO NOT send them jail. If u r 100% sure abt them being terrorists....just do a fake encounter n KILL these b....ds. Because if u send them jail, n run a trial....they will b either free on bail..or the cases will b withdrawn in future by following "secular" forces.
For my muslim frens ...(so that they dont hound me for being harsh only on muslims, i experienced that y'day):- This applies also to maobaadis, naxals, n all hindus too who r killers of innocent people n inhuman in nature.
RE:Plz DO NOT send them JAIL...!!!
by Akia Khan on Apr 03, 2008 05:30 AM Permalink
Arnav sahab,
Here is the best example of your mindset of softness, which is the biggest weakness,dear. You ppl are not having guts to say stone them in public. Learn from Arabia, for such crimes they will stoned in Public untill death or tourcherd unhumanly or cut their body part by part, so that no other ppl can even think of terrorism. May Allah Bless All
RE:Plz DO NOT send them JAIL...!!!
by Arnav Singh on Apr 03, 2008 05:37 AM Permalink
Akia ji,
The point here is to eleminate such people..by hook or crook...now whichever mode u take is OK as far as they r kept eleminated from society....either chopping them into pieces, or stoning them till death or simply hang/shoot them...watever....
SIMI is not the real problem. Muslims are human beings like Hindus. The real problem lies in Koran and Teaching of Muhammad. Muslims are biggest victim of Koran. Muslims r requested to leave islam and adopt any religion of world whatever they like!!
RE:SIMI is not the real problem!
by meindian on Apr 03, 2008 05:13 AM Permalink
what u know about koran ,, keep ur mouth shut and keep looking at ur hindu terror websites,,
for ur kind attention islam is the fastest growing religion in the world,, that means fools like u r less in no and u have the oppurtunity to convert to islam
RE:SIMI is not the real problem!
by Arnav Singh on Apr 03, 2008 05:51 AM Permalink
Hindus does not have terror sites....n even if they have..no educated hindu is interested in learning that, we prefer to live happily without troubles, religion comes as way to lead life..not for doing naked dance over our heads...u people have ur religion gretaer than ur n other people's life..not we feel same for our religion. If it wld have been like this...u wldnt 've been able to write freely these things in a country where more than 80% population is hindu. And yes..one more thing...dont take names of VHP, Bajrang dal...they r not liked by majority of educated hindus..but SIMI has only educated people..or atleast most of the people in SIMI r educated..as their name itself reveals..n c wat these educated people r living up to..!!
n as far as RSS is concerned..dont comment on them...it was established after seeing considerable number of muslims in india..who were against hindus. n moreover...i will appreciate them for always being the first one to help the needy ones in times of earthquake, floods n all natural calamity....n they never ask religion of victims before helping them.i have never seen/heard ne islamic frp doin these charities.....apart from bombing, killing n other such things.
If muslims wld not have been here...there wld have been no RSS, VHP or bajrangdal.
But then we have our own problem of CASTEISM...which i agree wld have been there...of which i feel ashamed.
RE:SIMI is not the real problem!
by someone on Apr 03, 2008 06:04 AM Permalink
Islam is the best....as it destroys itself...look at Pak, Iraq, and judge for yourself. Only the hungry and retards join this Madness, which is the best thing happened. Imagine if smart people join Islam, they wud come with more innovative ways to kill people and preach hatred. ow many Universities U have in the Camelsthan, and what they produce. O my mistake U don't like the Western Education as U know for sure your boss Mo was an illiterate. Keep up the hatred as it is paying of by killing your own people in every minute as I write, and be very proud of it. I think by 2120-2150 Islam would be History.
RE:Shame
by someone on Apr 03, 2008 04:51 AM Permalink
My friend, They are the Blind Followers of Islam, they are doing what Satanic Koran wants them to perform. Mohammed himself did this, killed, raped looted and what not...if such a criminal speaks what would be that...Terrorism. But Please note our PM would not be able to sleep for such Honorable people. As his NoProgress party needs their vote very badly.
