Internationally Known Author and Cryptoanalyst Simon Singh in his latest Newyork Times best seller - The Code Book - explains this in detail
It says the following ....However, in addition to employing ciphers, the Arab scholars were also capable of destroying ciphers. They in fact invented cryptanalysis....
RE:@Loton Potan - Your question on cryptograpgy
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:30 AM Permalink
Cambridge Center for Quantum Computing-History of Cryptgraphy says Muslim theoelogian are the pioneers of cryptoanalysis
RE:@Loton Potan - Your question on cryptograpgy
by Lotan Potan on Apr 02, 2008 03:45 AM Permalink
HA HA HAAA NOW I UNDERSTAND.
ALL THESE URLS SAY THAT THESE DISCOVERY WAS MADE BY POOR IRAQIS IN 800 AD BEFORE ISLAM CAME.
ISLAM CAME AND DESTROYED EVERYTHING. THESE PEOPLE WERE GOOD, LOOK AT WHAT ISLAM DID TO THEM. IT MADE THEM ANIMALS FROM HUMANS. IT TOOK AWAY THEIR CONCSCIENCE AND INTELLIGENCE AND MADE THEM SUB HUMAN TERRORISTS WITH NO CREATIVITY AND NO RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE.
ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM.
BALOAORD, TEACH THESE PEOPLE TO GIVE UP ISLAM I AM SURE THEY ARE HUMANS AND GOD GAVE THEM BRAIN THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO HUMANITY LIKE THE PRE ISLAMIC ERAS.
RE:@Loton Potan - Your question on cryptograpgy
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:30 AM Permalink
who is simon singh? Simon Singh is the author of award winning Fermat's Enigma and reconginized the world over
for his cryptoanalysis history Some of Simon Singh's program's in world leading institutions
How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 02:54 AM Permalink | Hide replies
The uneducated morons here dont have any knowledge of either west or east thats why rubbishing about Islam and science and West.
Here is excerpts from the speech of prince charles which he gave on oxford
...But Islamic Spain was much more than a mere larder where Hellenistic knowledge was kept for later consumption by the emerging modern Western world. Not only did Muslim Spain gather and preserve the intellectual content of ancient Greek and Roman civilisation, it also interpreted and expanded upon that civilisation, and made a vital contribution of its own in so many fields of human endeavour - in science, astronomy, mathematics, algebra (itself an Arabic word), law, history, medicine, pharmacology, optics, agriculture, architecture, theology...
RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:02 AM Permalink
the speech contd ...Many of the traits on which modern Europe prides itself came to it from Muslim Spain. Diplomacy, free trade, open borders, the techniques of academic research, of anthropology, etiquette, fashion, various types of medicine, hospitals, all came from this great city of cities..
RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by Lotan Potan on Apr 02, 2008 03:07 AM Permalink
Arabs are the most backward and retarded race presently on Earth.
Out of 52 Islamic countries 45 are in the bottom 50 worse human index, poverty and genocide failed states of the world.
Rest are luck oil rich, but coincidentally all the oil rich countries are the most illiterate backward sharia human right violation countries that dont even allow churches and are a big zero in science and technology.
ALL THIS CANNOT BE A COINCIDENCE. THE PROBABILITY OF ALL 52 ISLAMIC COUNTRIES ENDING UP IN GUTTER IS TOO LOW. ONLY THING THAT CAN EXPLAIN THIS IS ISLAM AND ITS FREEDOM STIFLING ANTI HUMANISTIC AND FLESHLY ANTI SPIRITUAL TEACHINGS OF 72 VIRGINS.
RE:RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:11 AM Permalink
According to you the world itself came into being in this 20th century.May be you are thinking science came after british colonized using hook and crook only after the world started..
So history channel is a lie,St Andrews univerity of mathematics is a lie but your arm chair analysis is correct???
Look like you have more knowledge on europe-s history than Prince charles -The next king of britain
RE:RE:RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by snpost on Apr 02, 2008 03:16 AM Permalink
Th 20th century saw the end of coloniaism and the start of industrial war, UN, Internet, islamic terrorism as we know it, understanding of the evil inherent in islam by people around the world, etc....
RE:RE:RE:RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by Lotan Potan on Apr 02, 2008 03:26 AM Permalink
Can you give me any proof that Crytography has come from Islam?
Algorithms is a very vast field. There are one billion algorithms in this world, the first algorithm was recorded 5000 years ago by Euclid. Islam was not even in existence then. Some barbaric Arab invaded Greek nations and renamed their books and works agains Al-Qurarizmi or whatever and claimed algorihthmic foundations but that is far from truth.
RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by Lotan Potan on Apr 02, 2008 03:35 AM Permalink
These Isalmic thugs also claimed the discovery of ZERO and hindu numeral system as their own. Cheats and thugs of the first order. Watch their PR video in youtube "I am a Muslim" these cheats claim to have invented ZERO. The terrorists who invaded India were so shameless that they even claimed the intellectual work of Indian mathematicians.
However now that they can no longer do this fraud the entire world is seeing how intelligent these thugs are.
RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:22 AM Permalink
None of this internet can be divorced from the underlying technology of cryptography and cryproanalsysi - both which came out of religios exploration of Muslims Have you wondered why even the name algorithm has arabic root?
RE:RE:RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by Lotan Potan on Apr 02, 2008 03:15 AM Permalink
Learn to live in the present, think about your future, dont look back in life. Muslims are living in the past and pissing on their present and future. Go read some books and make your ummah educated instead of teaching them the hadiths of 72 virgins. Dont glorify your babraric ancestors that committed uncountable sins against peaceful humans otherwise God will never help you in Iraq and Palestine. Stop wasting your time and go do some work in the present.
RE:RE:RE:RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:17 AM Permalink
You rubbish the history of Islam and when cornered-you want to talk about the present!!!
RE:RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by snpost on Apr 02, 2008 03:04 AM Permalink
Surely, the knowlege must have been spanish not islamic- when muslim conqured India, the knowledge of India remain Indian not Islamic?
...The Arab-Muslim Empire was based on a dynamic religious creed. Yet Christians and Jews were permitted to keep their faith; the Umayyad rulers of Iberia recognised that religious tolerance and cultural exchange would contribute to enduring success. Al-Andalus %u2013 as Muslin Hispania became known %u2013 briefly became the strongest state in Europe.
The Moors built a rich and powerful society. Its capital, Cordoba was the largest and most civilised city in Europe, with hospitals, libraries and public infrastructure light years ahead of anything in England at the time...
RE:RE:RE:RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by snpost on Apr 02, 2008 03:13 AM Permalink
No a muslim is an arab or a moor from North Africa in the case of spain. There is a big difference, between spanish civilization and muslim civilization. I am not saying that Spanish and Italian did not learn from the spanish, I am saying the brain in spain at this time were spanish, even if the sword were carried by the moors at that time. You cannot compare a brave to a brain.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:16 AM Permalink
So St.Andrew univeristies assertion of forgotten arab brilliance is fake website isit?
I dont support arabs as a race-It is islam which made them the roch bearers of science.GOD has created every brain in equal measure -some he endows with more wisodom but that has nothing to with race
RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 02:59 AM Permalink
It looks like some rediffians here are more british that the prince of british and seems to have more concerns about islam than the next king of Britain. Thats why they are refuting the historial knowledge of the hier to the british throne..
RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by snpost on Apr 02, 2008 03:03 AM Permalink
Islamic spain- I assume the scientist and the brain were spanish....
RE:RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:06 AM Permalink
islamic civilization transcended race,langauge and ethinic boundaries-If you are trying to mock Arabs-Then know these unequivocal statement from europe's highest mathematical body - st Andrews univeristy
...Recent research paints a new picture of the debt that we owe to Arabic/Islamic mathematics. Certainly many of the ideas which were previously thought to have been brilliant new conceptions due to European mathematicians of the sixteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth centuries are now known to have been developed by Arabic/Islamic mathematicians around four centuries earlier. In many respects the mathematics studied today is far closer in style to that of the Arabic/Islamic contribution than to that of the Greeks...
RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by snpost on Apr 02, 2008 03:09 AM Permalink
why are you called mohajir in pakistan? And a convert is Arabia?
RE:RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:14 AM Permalink
Mr.Snpost - Muhajir - means immigrants - what is so offensive about people who migrated to paksitan from India being called as immigrants???
What is this question about convert?I dont even understand this.
RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by snpost on Apr 02, 2008 03:29 AM Permalink
Man if you migrate to your muslim country, why are you called a migrant there? I understand if you go to europe, you will be label a migrant- why when you go to pakistan you are label a migrant? Do any Hindus from pakistan labelled a migrant in India?
RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 03:34 AM Permalink
Even the people of mecca when migrated to medina due to the prosecution of pagans were called Muhajirs-There is nothing offensive about this. If some stupid in poakistan or India thinks that a migrant is less owrthy than a non-migrant -it is his problem -not the pronlem of Islam.
RE:RE:How Islam influenced West-Prince Charles -Oxford speech
by Lotan Potan on Apr 02, 2008 03:40 AM Permalink
Ha ha.. Muhajirs were killed in heaps in 90s in Pakistan. Bengalis in Bagladesh didnt gieve a rats ass about Islam, Pakistani Army didnt give a rats ass about Islam when they killed 300 million Bengali Muslims. In Pakistan there are deep divicions between Baluchis, Panjabis, Sindhis, Muhajirs Kashmiris, etc etc. Shias and Sunnis are the most bloody rivals world has ever seen. Ha ha.. who cares about Islam, certainly Muslims dont care about Islam.
He should stop exporting Islamic terrorism- better relation will then come naturally.
Pakistan want to promote science, that nmake me laugh. If they do that- science will prove that Islam is a load of desert cult rubbish. Why do you think, science and free thinking is opposed or suppress in most Muslim countries? I have read an article - which had an important statistic which pouint out that the Netherland a small European countries- produce more books that all the Isalmic nation put together. 15-20 million people from Netherland produce more books tnat all the 1billion or so muslim in the world. And he is only now aware of the danger of marginalisation of all the Islamic countries at the global level. Amazing.
RE:Ignorance is bliss - or Islam is bliss
by balaord on Apr 02, 2008 02:55 AM Permalink
Channel-4 Britan's leading Television Media in its own website
...But how many of us have heard of Al-Kindi, Ibn Sina, Al-Razi, Ibn Al-Shatir, Ibn Al-Haytham or Al-Tusi? They are all Muslim scientists who made equally great contributions to science, between the 7th and 15th centuries %u2013 during the era known as the Dark Ages. Until recently, the era has been glossed over by historians who happily leapt from the fall of the Roman Empire straight to the Renaissance. But it's time for the West to recognize its debt to those Islamic scientists of the past, who forged ahead while Europe stagnated....
RE:Ignorance is bliss - or Islam is bliss
by snpost on Apr 02, 2008 03:06 AM Permalink
What happened to the religion of ignorance then? Why have you been left behind? Who wil you blame America? America did not exist in the 7th to 15th century. Ignorance is bliss, Islam is bliss.
the Vatican wat said was about Roman Catholics ..Not CHRISTANS.. CHRISTIANS are world no.1 plpulated religion.. And U know Americans and Europeans Troops are killing and bombing afganitan , palestines, iraqis .. all muslims die under Americans only
RE:@Balaord: Quran and Embroyology - NO originality
by Gyan Vedi on Apr 02, 2008 12:30 AM Permalink
One of the scientific breakthroughs claimed in Quran is that of embroyology
Its interesting that in your article, there is mention of a scholar called Galen
In fact, Galen 1000 years before Muhammed had already told the same things with greater clarity! If u combine the embroyology works of Galen and Sushruta (indian scholar) - u have a more through description of embroyology than Quran ...
In quran the description of the different stages of embroto formation is not exactly scientifically correct!
I have a pdf for this on my laptop ... i will try and search the original site and forward u later ..Bye
RE:@Balaord: Quran and Embroyology - NO originality
by JonBonJovi on Apr 02, 2008 12:46 AM Permalink
Vedi Before uttering anything read about the topic! Quran correctly descibes embryological stages of human! a fact even verified by Keith L Moore a leading embroyologist! for view go to youtube and watch ur self! soo dun mess around! it was a muslim doctor Al Haitham that rebuffed the greek thought that itsn not the lght from the eyes that makes an image but the rays emitted from the objects!
RE:@Balaord: Quran and Embroyology - NO originality
by Gyan Vedi on Apr 02, 2008 12:55 AM Permalink
@jonbonjovi: Firstlt, i have read keith moore's whole commentary on the subject ... i request you to do the same : He mentions that Quran overall describes the process - some flaws have been pointed out by him only in a later report, which he co-authored with 2 students
Out of the 5 stage process, 3 have been descibed by quran wrongly ! I have a pdf which is in half-english, half-arabic, so i am finding it difficult to copy-paste here .. I will soon forward the link after i get time to search on the internet for it ..
RE:@Balaord: Quran and Embroyology - NO originality
by JonBonJovi on Apr 02, 2008 12:46 AM Permalink
Vedi Before uttering anything read about the topic! Quran correctly descibes embryological stages of human! a fact even verified by Keith L Moore a leading embroyologist! for view go to youtube and watch ur self! soo dun mess around! it was a muslim doctor Al Haitham that rebuffed the greek thought that itsn not the lght from the eyes that makes an image but the rays emitted from the objects!
RE:RE:@Balaord: Quran and Embroyology - NO originality
by Gyan Vedi on Apr 02, 2008 12:58 AM Permalink
@About Light : Rig veda not only describes the exact spped of light (verse 1.50) but also the exact time taken by sun light to reach earth
The principles of reflection were known to hindu scientisits 4000 years before muhammed was born
RE:Muslims were the Cause of Renaissance in Europe believe it or not.
by Gyan Vedi on Apr 02, 2008 12:06 AM Permalink
@KK: yes, India is the land of extremes .. U have Nobel laureates, Vedic scientists, Mathematicians and also evils like dowry death, dalits, sati ! But the alter evils are going down with each passing day ...
