It is slowly spreading thats for sure. I am not a Tamilian however while on my way to office I got a flavour of Kannadiga patriotism(if that is you call it)! I could not get an auto not because of my destination(which is normal in Blore) but because I could not speak Kannada. It happened to me twice this morning and when I got one the auto driver fought with me because I could not speak Kannada. I am surprised that non kannadigas face so much problem in every sphere of public life even if they are contributing so much and love this city as their own. While on one hand a publication group wants to revamp city's image, there is a constant force to take it out. I wonder what would happen to the state and the city if industries like IT are taken out. Will so called guardians of regional pride even be able to sustain themselves.
RE:Advantage Hooligans
by pen on Apr 02, 2008 09:54 AM Permalink
Whaht SAyan dutta is telling is absolutely lie. Autodrivers in Bangalore will speak all south indian languages including Hindi. They never insist to speak in Kannada.
RE:Advantage Hooligans
by Raghu Kenmpegede on Apr 02, 2008 09:47 AM Permalink
Boss speak in context of Mumbai where you would have been packed and sent home. Kannadigas are not treating you any where near that.
Today i am ashamed to see such politician like yediyurappa who is taking high political mileage with such issues,even though their party stands at national level.This has nothing to do with Karnataka or Tamil nadu but elections.I am a Knnadiga myself ,but feel that humanity and justice should prevail first and rest next.
RE:ashamed
by chetan shetty on Apr 02, 2008 09:44 AM Permalink
was it better when congress and JDS ruled ???? think first...its time that yonegr generation gets into politics...now that the pay has been hiked its better job to be a polititian...
RE:seed has grown into tree
by sangeetha raman on Apr 02, 2008 09:31 AM Permalink
karnataka is not a separate country its part of india and every one has a right to speak his or her own language and not single kannadigas attacked here.pls dont create disunity amoung two state and also dont support your vattal nagarajan who is an instrumental for creating this problem
How come rediff does talk about the origin of problems when it comes to Karantaka. Why cannt you publish a research on what laws were being used in the kaveri judgement. Why cannt you expose the hign handedness of successive TN govts using center to push their intrests. Why dont you debate on the failing federation in India as a whole. Assames dont like Biharis, Mahrastrians dont like North Indians. etc. But Have you ever heard Karantakans dont like others! Bangalore has 40% Tamil and other 30% non kannada population. But there is no problem here.
Why cannt you publish constructive news than provocative items. It is time Rediff acts mature.
RE:Rediff should Stop publishing these kind of sesitive news items
by Manoj on Apr 02, 2008 09:26 AM Permalink
r u saying that there is absolute peace and harmony in bangalore and whatever so called tensions is just media hype. If that is what what u meant... dear sir You are perfectly wrong? Im one of those victims of riots during both the kaveri issue and rajkumar. Im resident of Hosur but having business in Bangalore.
I dont support rediff's publishing of provacative news, but if u mean karnataka is a place of heaven for tamils... I'm one of those in the first row to oppose it.
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by narayanan iyer on Apr 02, 2008 09:31 AM Permalink
Every indian wants to live in peace despite the state he or she belongs to. Take for example, good number of Tamils live in Bangaluru and Kanadigas in chennai. If Tamils are suffered in Bangaluru it will have its effects in Chennai. But, no human being wants any confrontation and wants to live in harmony. However, some people who want to fan the fire make the problem which we have to stop in the interest of unity of country.
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by Singha on Apr 02, 2008 09:39 AM Permalink
sorry boss. iyers and iyengars have been getting kicked for over generation now in tamil nadu. Bangalore today has more iyers and iyengars compared to chennai.
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by sivasubramanian on Apr 02, 2008 09:55 AM Permalink
hay don't assume any big thing, Iyers are Tamils,where as Iyengar's are not. Even today majority of the higher rank officials of pvt company and public company/senior officers of govt in india as well as tamilnadu are Iyer's.
RE:Rediff should Stop publishing these kind of sesitive news items
by Singha on Apr 02, 2008 01:28 PM Permalink
iyengars not Tamils...then u r not a Tamil..he..he..he
In a democratic country like ours, we should have the spirit of give and take. We have plenty of people with such intentions. Only difference is that Karnataka is always giving and others are always taking (rather, demanding). Implement Mahajan commission's report (mind you, Late Meherchand Mahajan was appointed at the insistence of Maharashtra) & at least Karnataka will keep quiet. Give a fir share of Kaveri water to Karnataka and demarcate the Hogenakkal area clearly and see the result. While everyone wants Karnataka to stop adding more projects in the Kaveri delta, Tamil Nadu seems to be an exception. They want Drinking water to Dharmapuri district, which is a noble idea. At the same time, they do not want any project to supply water to Mysore, which is located next to Krishnaraja Sagar dam. It is such policies of the Centre (which is doing for its own survival) like these and allowing TN ministers in the centre to plunder the central wealth at the cost of others and other appeasement policies that have angered the people of Karnataka.
"Give an fair share to everyone, live and let live and have the philosophy of give and take" - all these do not seem to be available in the vocabulary of Karunanidhi. TN is like China wanting to have its way all the time and KN is like its president.
RE:Tamil Nadu's Ever Increasing Thirst for Water and other Resources
by mantu kumar on Apr 02, 2008 09:37 AM Permalink
Give fair share to everyone . This is very good idea. Government should provide big resorvoir of water at many places ,near cities,villages and other places wherever there are people living. In ancient times also there were ponds at number of places inside villages and cities. It helped in making water available and also water level inside ground was well maintained with the help of water collected during rains .Same is the need of this hour. Our aim should be to collect as much rainwater as possible . Govt should invest in making number of small ponds inside cities and villages and this is the only solution.this will save water also and provide employment also. This is needed not only in one or two states but in every state. Nature is sending sufficient water for use by mankind but we are not able to use it due to poor planning .
RE:Tamil Nadu's Ever Increasing Thirst for Water and other Resources
by sivasubramanian on Apr 02, 2008 10:05 AM Permalink
Hello Anand, Change your mind,karnataka are not always giving.The naturte is giving for tamils and kannadigas want to stop it.You guy assume any thing about Karuna that is your problem. Most kannadigas never have an even thinking. Dam were existing for generationTN,you want to build some thing to stop it.As your MP -who resigned on cauvery issue-Gowde,says the excess water is left to tamilnadu.If it so any project below karanataka is not going to affect karnataka,then why this Kannada vidike is agitating or any karnataka poltician has to oppose. These Question our Karuna and his party members cannot ask because they are old and they are strucked want only the power.
RE:Tamil Nadu's Ever Increasing Thirst for Water and other Resources
by Raghu Kenmpegede on Apr 02, 2008 09:16 AM Permalink
Absolutely. I cant agree more with your comments. Also, in Bangalore city itself (Where there is nearly 40% Tamils) we cant use Kaveri water for new layouts or extensions. But TN will use water for all its exisitng and new projects. Ever heard of TN giving something 0ther others other than People!
Also can a survery be done on how many Tamils leave in Bangalore slums? I think most of TNs poverty is in Bangalore.
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by Singha on Apr 02, 2008 09:42 AM Permalink
Kannadaa is a dialect of Tamil. U may deny it. But in your heart u would know this to be the truth.
Kanada is bothing but Tamil with Telugu script with some minor changes here and there (u replace Pa in tamil with ha in kannada). Or one can say Tamil is Kannada with a differnt scipt. First assertion is likely to take more rational takers.
RE:Tamil Nadu's Ever Increasing Thirst for Water and other Resources
by Raghu Kenmpegede on Apr 02, 2008 09:51 AM Permalink
Very funny. Either you have not idea of language or you must be just making it up. Kannada is older than Tamil and based on Sanskrit not tamil. But not sure if Tamil is any where near Sanskrit.
RE:Tamil Nadu's Ever Increasing Thirst for Water and other Resources
by Kaushik Sriram on Apr 02, 2008 10:27 AM Permalink
existence of a tamil or kannada cannot be determined with its proximity to sanskrit. Tamil is obviously an ancient language which runs parallely with sanskrit.
RE:Tamil Nadu's Ever Increasing Thirst for Water and other Resources
by Srini on Apr 02, 2008 09:27 AM Permalink
oh my God, never seen such stupid mails.. Guys, we are sharing natural resource.. Japan has the origin of Sun dosent mean they own the sun and dosent mean that they stop the flow of Sun... The same is a River, river will just flow, and everybody will use that naturual resource..
I hope our Indians use their brain and stop fighting for sun rise, river flow, ocean sharing etc....
RE:Tamil Nadu's Ever Increasing Thirst for Water and other Resources
by Manoj on Apr 02, 2008 09:29 AM Permalink
Tamil Nadu does not have any major river source... then where is the question of giving water to others.
On the other hand there is share of electricity both hydro and thermal from tamil nadu. Eventhough that comes under central control, was there ant conflict or issues from any other state. Agriculture is certainly not in its satisfactory level in both states. Browse along the facts before talking some rubbish.
Pandit Nehru and their congress ilks should not have created states based on languages. Each state should have been created in a manner that no single language is a majority. Like we can have 20 states of equal area. Ex. One state comprises of some portion of telegu speaking and equal protion of Marathi, Kannidiga speaking people ...
RE:Creation of state based on language - An error.
by Dravid on Apr 02, 2008 09:12 AM Permalink
Good thinking... They should think now of merging states...
RE:Creation of state based on language - An error.
by Ananthapadmanabhan on Apr 02, 2008 09:21 AM Permalink
Dear Mr. Vikhram,
Already Dr. Rajendra Prasad [First President of India] and Mr. Sardar Vallabhai Patel [the iron man of India, who is instrumental in formation of Indian Union raised this issue, that states should not be divided on the basis of linguistic basis.
But the political colours at that time, has allowed this type of formation.
Even Anna was instrumental once in supporting a cause for separate Tamil Nadu.
Link all the rivers like Ganga, Cauvery and Godavari.
RE:Creation of state based on language - An error.
by Adam Marshall on Apr 02, 2008 09:29 AM Permalink
Nationalization of all the essential resources is the optimal solution.
RE:Creation of state based on language - An error.
by sivasubramanian on Apr 02, 2008 10:13 AM Permalink
All the above discussion about the failed action of not holding the country's natural source in common is appreciated. But todays media and weak leaderships cann not do this. Further in my oppinion like the british did harm to Srilankan tamils by making One lanka, In india this was done by Neheru and Patel. All britishsate might have been left as individual nation, If not the present states.
RE:Creation of state based on language - An error.
by Dan Druff on Apr 02, 2008 09:19 AM Permalink
What you propose is impractical. Linguistic identities are too strong to be taken easily. Even advanced nations are arranged according to linguistic identity like Germany, France, Japan.
The concept of federation has utterly failed in India. Specifically in context of Karantaka! We have to fight to use the river that orginates and flows in Karantaka. Central govt is proxy to the neighbouring states for political intrests. Laws that are used were formed pre independence days when Madras was the Bristish HQ in south India and policies and laws were obviously in its favour. Central govt sits quite when Maharastra rakes up boundry issue which must have got settled 50 years ago. If an irrigation/hydro electricity project servers only a specific set of people this is bound to happen. Nobody can think India is a federation today. Center is not serious about its federation sprit. It will not be long before Karantaka looks for Autonomy or other states ask for autonomy as federation is not working.
High time central govt acts with honest intrest than political bais to solve regional problems. All rivers, minerals, resources, electricity etc should be owned by centeral govt and shared between all states. No state should own any thing. This sounnds like a solution.
RE:Indian federation has failed
by Akram on Apr 02, 2008 09:27 AM Permalink
Madras was selected by British as its HQ owing to its geographical location with sea port. when linguistic based states were formed all were provided the same rights and law enforcement there is no favour for Tamilnadu.
If TN tommorow tells that the electricity produced by NLC is orginates from TN and others have no right over it.
Cauvery river originates from Karnataka and it flows thru Tamilnadu to reach sea. The river on its own didnt define it belongs to Kannadiga or Tamils.
please check with your brothers in Bangalore are they ready to cut down the electric cables which carry electricity from NLC. By your definition it should be Tamil Electricity and not be used in Kannada soil.
Madras is a metropolitan of modern days with no riot history. Even during hindi agitation no hindi speaking people were attacked.
RE:Now i understand......
by Dravid on Apr 02, 2008 09:14 AM Permalink
you should be awared for such inovative thinking... go join bjp.. they will replace advani with you..
We are constructing facilities for drinkinking water only and further as your Gowde former MP said, What ever we are doing is only with the water left from your state we are in downstream,these water cannot be pumped back to karnataka.Why kannadigas should bother about what we do in downstream which will not affect karnataka. From this action kannadigas prove again and again their arrogance.Which need to be answered sufficiently.
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by tamil on Apr 02, 2008 09:14 AM Permalink
know the background b4 u comment.. . dont read comments & comment .. first read the News.. tis problem was strted by BJP in Karnatakaa
RE:Now i understand......
by on Apr 02, 2008 09:23 AM Permalink
BJP is the real source of problem acting from karnataka, let them come to any tamilian's house and ask for votes - they should be chases away like dogs. Talking about national unity and practising sectarianism in Karnataka - height of hypocracy. Every politician is a rascal and BJP is not different. Hogenakkal issue proves it.
Burn the Gowda rascal factions in ktka everything will become alright
RE:Now i understand......
by Vinayak Ramesh Hegde on Apr 02, 2008 09:22 AM Permalink
Its nothing do with BJP in K'taka...... Its the problem created by Karuna and others in Tamilnadu.... They would have maintained the status quo and not thought of starting any project in a disputed land.....
RE:Now i understand......
by chandrashekhar iyer on Apr 02, 2008 09:52 AM Permalink
Kya hoga tera aeBHARAT MATA! Har Politician tere peeche laga hai,har rajya tere kapde utarne per tula hua hai.Kahin north indian ki dhulai aur kahin tamilians ki dhulai.Kya achha hota hamara desh ghulam hi rehta aur sab saath saath to rehte. Kya mili aazadi, maano bandar ke haath mein ustara thama diya gaya hai, Bas champi banani hai,kahin bhi ustara phirate raho.It is a shame on our democracy or call it democrazy.We the the world's largest funny and idiot democracy, who are misusing the democracy and not using it for anybody's benefit.In my view,as we have been outsourced so much of business Our country should be outsourced for managing.Not a single politician is thinking of common man.Day by day the prices are sky rocketing,we proudly say we are IT's NO.1, can somebody tell me who is going to feed our country in coming years.Just check, farmers are commiting suicides,our land has become IMPOTENT due to use of chemical fertilisers,we have not stable policies for development.Every election we are left guessing who will rule. Then comes the horse trading and powerful one emerges victor to screw the common man.If such state of affairs continue.we need not worry from outside enemies,our own politicians are sufficient enough to kill the entire mass. Jaago Kannadigas Jaago tamilians'Use your brains and not asses,overcome these dirty politics,refuse the orders from top of these politicians,stay together they can not do anything.show your unity and help nation to survive.
We are all fools of our time fighting against the tamils because of a blind man's statement who only care about his family than tamil people.
You can expect another statement from deva gowda shortly to add the fuel to fire. I dont know why we are fighting for the benifits fo gowdas and karunanidhis
RE:We are all fools of our time
by Gr on Apr 02, 2008 09:13 AM Permalink
Absolutely, this is pure politics and bad thing is we are falling for it and fighting over in this rediff site which is well-known for inciting hatred among people within india....
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by PALANISWAMY V on Apr 02, 2008 10:29 AM Permalink
so still no one have a common sense to smell that this issue was brought to fore front by BJP. very good Ex CM edayurappa,insted u people want to blame gowda and karuna.long live ur living blind eyes.
RE:We are all fools of our time
by Purushottam on Apr 02, 2008 09:34 AM Permalink
He is not only blind but dumb also...ahe can not speak any other language other than tamil
All this nonsense happens due to bad policing and inability of the police to act in a non partisan manner. A small band of thugs hold a major community to ransom. This trend should be dealt with sternly. Perhaps police firing on such crowds is the only solution or stationing of non local police like CRPF to handle riot situations in major cities like new delhi, mumbai, bangalore, chennai, kolkata, chandigarh may be a better solution.
