RE:Take Help From National Geographic
by imran patel on Sep 25, 2007 11:20 PM Permalink
Not a bad idea...As long as the results are shared and validated.
Bring in outside help. But Mr.Togadia must give up if this 3rd party team concludes otherwise.
RE:Take Help From National Geographic
by Smart Guy on Sep 25, 2007 11:23 PM Permalink
and what would you do if some one questions of existence of "Allah"...dont mind
RE:Take Help From National Geographic
by imran patel on Sep 25, 2007 11:32 PM Permalink
Muslims are NOT claiming any public property based on their beliefs...That is the difference !!!
I am not against Hindus believing in Ram. But if you are claiming property, then you have to prove it.
RE:Take Help From National Geographic
by imran patel on Sep 25, 2007 11:38 PM Permalink
Mecca is NOT a Non-Muslim property. If it legally belonged to the Non-Muslims and Muslims were to claim it, then they either need to buy it or prove their case in the court of LAW.
RE:RE:Take Help From National Geographic
by Mahesh G on Sep 25, 2007 11:37 PM Permalink
all the terrorists who caught is Muslims. Is there any thing allah told to do such mischeivious activities
RE:Take Help From National Geographic
by Smart Guy on Sep 25, 2007 11:38 PM Permalink
u will only feel the pain, only when someone asks for building of Aiport at medina...then lets see...how you prove what you ask others...
RE:Take Help From National Geographic
by Ramesh P on Sep 25, 2007 11:47 PM Permalink
What did the muslims do when the very same ASI said that a 11th century temple existed under the ruins of Babri Masjid ?? Don't you still claim that is your property ?? Also many proofs existed abt muslims destroying Kashi, Mathura and many temples - did you give those temples back ?? As togadia rightly said - comparing hinduism which is very ancient and old religion - with proofs saying that its atleast 10,000 yrs old (Bhimbatka caves in Chattisgarh) - to something less than 2000 yrs old is ridiculous. Also when there were so many proofs infront of our own eyes of muslims freaking out with fatwas, prize for getting head of Danish cartoonist, making a woman's husband her son, honor killings, bombings, terror attacks on parliaments, assemblies etcc what are we doing ? We couldn't even hang a terrorist who was proven guilty by supreme court. Proof is only for those who are rational and sane, not for Karunas, Sonis and Soniagandhis.
RE:Take Help From National Geographic
by gali on Sep 25, 2007 11:44 PM Permalink
you go to nasa.gov and see the pictures of the bridge,if it is not man made,thats also OK because rama is a god and not man.
If it is man made,thats also ok,because ramas friends who built it were humans.
got it.
there's nothing smart in you smart guy,your arguments are vague.when there is something that people have a sentiment attached to,probably showing respect to it is a good idea.
Doesn't Mr.Togadia know that it is next to impossible to prove a Negative. It is like saying to an accused, "You are Guilty, but prove your innocence".
The argument of Ram's existence is a matter of belief and that is where it should be. If Hindus belief that he existed, fine with me. People may not share that believe but we must respect the right of others to have a belief. End of Story.
Now coming to Mr.Togadia. This case of Ram Sethu is like a blessing for him and his junkies to make themselves important. If they want to make this belief a "Political" and "Judicial" issue, then they are walking on a slippery slope. You will have to prove the history of the Bridge in the court of LAW and along with that the History of RAM. People may have strong beliefs, but they may not be proved in the court of LAW. Just as the belief of Virgin Mary is strong amongst Christians and Muslims, it does not stand the test in a Secular Judicial setting.
The VHP/BJP needs to come with some other reason to prevent the Ram Sethu Bridge. It can be environmental, financial, National Security or logistical.
Using the belief in RAM is a court of LAW is a very weak case. There may be political turmoil but it does not help the nation in any way.
RE:This a Joke...
by imran patel on Sep 25, 2007 11:18 PM Permalink
Hahahau back again...So now you are going to Prove the existence to Ram in the court of LAW ?
RE:RE:This a Joke...
by Seshadri on Sep 25, 2007 11:27 PM Permalink
imran, if one were to question your religion (though I find it hard to even call it that) and all its ideologies and the path that it has traversed, you would be left toothless...
you had better refrain yourself from commenting on other's beliefs and values
RE:RE:This a Joke...
by Ramesh P on Sep 25, 2007 11:54 PM Permalink
BTW, there is no proof that Koran is word of God and Mohammed went to Heaven. There is no proof that Mohammed lived an ideal life - infact proofs show the other way. Hinduism gave birth to some of the worlds best philosophies and religions. Islam gave the world, terror, looting, arson, pillage, destruction, and the latest gift - suicide bombing. Madrassa education really doesn't help your brain evolve and as long as you are a muslim - your sensory organs will be disabled and you will never be allowed to think beyond THE BOOK.
RE:This a Joke...
by gali on Sep 25, 2007 11:46 PM Permalink
Mr Imran,why are you bothered??you are a muslim.here people are refuting those who are abusing ram,what do you have to do here,are you too an abuser??
RE:This a Joke...
by V H on Sep 25, 2007 11:26 PM Permalink
Imran - You must be suffereing from jaundice. Tagodia has made it clear in the interview that this is not political movement, in response to Modi's question. Go read it, if you know how to read properly. So don't twist it. Moron
RE:This a Joke...
by eatthis on Sep 25, 2007 11:38 PM Permalink
Imran,
Being a muslim what do you have to do with a MK insulting Ram. Dont you thin this in an inappropriate place for you to express your views unless you have some wicked agenda.
Why at all you are expressing your view in which you dont have any knowledge. in each forum discussion while discussion are going about MK, you guys post messages abusing Ram and then in return you get message abusing Allah. Are you really true to Allah?
RE:This a Joke...
by Mahesh G on Sep 25, 2007 11:45 PM Permalink
karunanadhi is asking in which college ram has studied. i need to ask a question with kurananidhi the lady who has helped for his birth has studied in which college, whether she is a MBBS or bse medicine
RE:RE:This a Joke...
by imran patel on Sep 25, 2007 11:57 PM Permalink
Ram Sethu is a National Property. As an Indian I have the same right to speak as any one of you.
RE:This a Joke...
by SSK KSS on Sep 25, 2007 11:49 PM Permalink
Whether Hindu, Muslim or Christian or any other faith, when they don't have compassion towards the sentiments of other people, they should be considered as wicked and evil Rakshasas. Ram Sethu project in the present form is nothing but Evil and wicked to turn down the sentiments of Hindus. Togadia, the hindu right wing and we all Hindus clearly say that stopping the project is not a solution. Find alternatives and make it condusive to all. With the current technology don't say that it is not possible. Hindus are compassionate to things that have positive value and are equally intolerant to wicked motives of evil Rakshasas.
RE:This a Joke...
by Polisetty Ravishankar on Sep 25, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
Then you will also have to prove the sce against Islam in the court of LAW. lets not bring these issues here. I love and respect Mohammed and Jesus equally.
RE:RE:This a Joke...
by Ramesh P on Sep 25, 2007 11:50 PM Permalink
What abt muslims asking for a public property - Taj Mahal itself to be given to Wakf Board control - there are enough controversies on who built it and what for.
RE:This a Joke...
by imran patel on Sep 25, 2007 11:56 PM Permalink
That is a BAD decision on part of the government. Taj Mahal does NOT belong to the MUSLIMS. It is a NATIONAL property.
33 crores is still finite. There are infinite forms of God and we Hindus worship those forms and make new forms also to cultivate compassion towards the whole existence that has positive value. In the same way we curse the evil Rakshasas who are symbolic to wickedness, and cruelty.
Our scriptures are not corrupt and can never be. Vedas are eternal and those who practice compassion do not need things to be written somewhere. We develop spirituality by simple means through intuition.
Ram Sethu project definitely is a wicked joke to hurt the sentiments of Crores of Hindus. This intention is what we are against; Our appeal to the govt is to find alternative means but not to stop the project. I hope the uncompassionate rationalists can understand the view point.
Now you all want to prove "MATCHBOX" is better than "BLONDE MAN" or "BLONDE MAN" is beter than "ELEPHANT" or "ELEPHANT" is beter than "MATCHBOX".Sure religon is opium for masses.
RE:Hindus are no different???
by derc cruse on Sep 25, 2007 11:31 PM Permalink
Huge difference. Just like the differnces between milk and calcium carbonate
In today's "Witness" programme on NDTV, it highlights that DMK is opposed only to the "Aryan" gods... and Lord Rama, according to DMK, is one...
The other Gods like Murugan, Ganesha and Shiva, Shakti are worshipped as they are all considered "Politically correct Gods"...
Now, probably DMK back their concept of Aryan-Dravidan divide based on Max Muller's work... Surprisingly, the DMK do not look at the bias and controversies overlooking Max Muller's work and simply accept his theory which has proved as a trump card for their electoral battles... how clever!
Another notable point is that Ravana, who is considered as a dravidan icon, is a Brahmin and a Vedic scholar, a Samavedic and an ardent devotee of Lord Shiva... DMK have hidden this point in their wardrobes!
So it seems that while the DK/DMK have managed to hoodwink the guillible tamilians in their pursuit of "attaining the chair", the public, mislead by this clever political drama, are frenzied over their supremo karunanidhi and his false 'Dravidan ideologies"...
Tamilians comprise the intelligent, hardworking and tolerant lot of India, but the flip side is that they are also extremely egoistic and adamant...
So, now the situation is a standoff with the predominantly "backward" mass of Tamil Nadu conveniently choosing to follow the path which elevates their status, and thus are caught in an ideological dilema with having to choose between their "Salvation" leader karunanidhi and the "Disputed" Aryan concept...
RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by Seshadri on Sep 25, 2007 11:09 PM Permalink
the BJP?RSS/VHP, which were formed to counter the islamin/christian rise in India, as is expected would naturally oppose the DMK in their meaningless pursuit of "Pseudo Atheistic perfection"...
In the same breath, one has to agree that while the Hindutva parties are not without fault, it is but a political offshoot which was to evolve from DMK's (and such other parties) agressive and assertive views on the Vedic culture and their consistent vandalism...
RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by eatthis on Sep 25, 2007 11:18 PM Permalink
Ram slayed Ravana and all his relatives who were Brahmins, what do you think about that.
RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 11:22 PM Permalink
who was ravanas sister and why wasnt she acceptable to lakshman.
RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by Seshadri on Sep 25, 2007 11:24 PM Permalink
Dinesh, is that what you can muster as an intellectual counter question?
RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 11:27 PM Permalink
seshadri,if it doesnt pass muster,whats ur opinion about the slaying of the shudra?
RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by Seshadri on Sep 25, 2007 11:31 PM Permalink
Dinesh, what's you opinion of the falsity of the Aryan-Dravidan concept???
RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 11:38 PM Permalink
seshadri,common sense tells me that there is a difference between the south indian and the north indian.
common sense also suggests that the north indians could have been later arrivals.
it is apparent that shiva and other nature gods were inherent in south india.
the devas with indra were possible north indian concepts.
RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by Seshadri on Sep 25, 2007 11:43 PM Permalink
Dinesh, common sense is not all; anyway this is not a subject to be decided by common sense...
There are various theories which show that we Indians differ, but only on geographical grounds...
Your basic premise, that north indians were later arrivals, is grounded.... also Shiva is also referred to in the Vedic scriptures as "Rudra"....
What is apparent? Dont counter without knowledge of what is said in the scriptures....
RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 11:54 PM Permalink
seshadri,when the indus valley script is deciphered,the matter will be resolved.
the point is that we are discussing something that which happened 3000 to 4000 years back.
there has been intermingling and we are one nation with commonalities and differences.
i havent been to the cities of uttar pradesh and bihar to be able to say whether rama or shiva temples predominate.
RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by Seshadri on Sep 25, 2007 11:58 PM Permalink
We accept Indus Valley civilization since we had uncovered it... so there is always a possibility that there may be more which are not yet uncovered...
Validating our arguments on such a floating base may not be correct...
RE:RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by sathish ganapathy on Sep 25, 2007 11:26 PM Permalink
She is a former Miss India and Lakshman wants only Miss world and not Miss India to woo him! Might be helluva guy!
RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by eatthis on Sep 25, 2007 11:29 PM Permalink
Ravanas sister was so aggressive and loud mouth that she was sent away by Ravana with his another brother Khira to Dandakaranya. There is no reference to Shuparnakha ever having any husband.
RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by sathish ganapathy on Sep 25, 2007 11:33 PM Permalink
I love these stories, really the absence of TV, internet,sports,movies,porn has triggered lot of creativity from our ancestors. They wud have written good scripts for our movies if Vyasa and Valmiki lives now.
RE:RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 11:35 PM Permalink
if rama slayed a shudra,doesnt he make a perfect example for revolutionaries who are trying to fight the oppressive caste system,which had over the centuries evolved to suffocate a majority of the population.the grip of the caste system with all its divine sanctions could be broken by attacking a god who slayed a shudra.
RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by Seshadri on Sep 25, 2007 11:37 PM Permalink
Yes, absolutely, instead of voicing your concern against the cause, you are only aggravating the issue by vandalising a GOD...
RE:RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by Seshadri on Sep 25, 2007 11:39 PM Permalink
Dinesh, would a shudra killing a shudra be acceptable to you?
Would you still search for a political or a social correction in that?
RE:RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 11:42 PM Permalink
vandalising the god was done at the height of the movement to get the stark mesage to the people.
it was symbolic.
it could be done because rama was not worshipped.
rama was worshipped by the brahmins.
that could have been another factor.
the fact was rama was not worshipped.
when rama is attacked,the entire system of brahminism stands de mystified.
but brahmins were not attacked,neither were rama temples.
RE:RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 11:43 PM Permalink
seshadri,the reason why rama slayed the shudra was the crux of the argument.
RE:RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 11:47 PM Permalink
shiva is considered to be the creator and the destroyer.
probably,he is called vishnu in the role of a sustainer and brahma in the role of a creator.
the addition of the avatars could have been superimpositions.
the fact is that hindus believe in the cosmic energy of shiva.
rama was a king with his good qualities.
the myth could have been developed around his life,being an avatar.
RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by Seshadri on Sep 25, 2007 11:48 PM Permalink
Dinesh, seems that you are fond of making sweeping statements without a touch with reality...
All devout hindus, other than followers of Ramasamy Naicken, worship Lord Rama; do they all look Brahmins to you?
RE:RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by Seshadri on Sep 25, 2007 11:49 PM Permalink
And Dinesh, where in Valmiki Ramayana do you find the story of Shambukh???
RE:RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by Seshadri on Sep 26, 2007 12:01 AM Permalink
Dinesh, so you want to worship Ravana? Well, you are at your liberty...!
But assuming that you have done a typo:
My post is to be interpreted as "not all those who worshop Lord Rama are Brahmins"... got it?
RE:RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 12:01 AM Permalink
seshadri,if u tell that the valmiki ramayana does not contain any reference to shambuka ,i will accept that till i can get a second opinion.
RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by Ramesh P on Sep 26, 2007 12:04 AM Permalink
Dinesh, may be in tamilnadu they teach you that way - Surpanka is sister of Ravana and they are all sons of "Pulasthya Brahma" - who is a brahmin. Ram ate the fruits given by sabari, and crossed the river in Guha's boat - both these are "Dalits" - in your words, but I see them only as great devotees.
Valmiki himself is a "hunter" and was elevated as Maharshi - just by his knowledge and character and not by his birth. The great sage viswamitra is not a brahmin by birth.
Krishna Says in BhagavadGita - Chapter4 - Chaturvarnam Mayasristam - Guna Karma vibahaga saha - He clearly said the four castes are by thier character and what they do. A brave boy is a kshatriya irrespective of his birth and a knowledgeable man is a "brahmin". Shivaji Maharaj was coronated by many brahmins from all over india - even though his caste in today's words is ST. A person's character and nature determines his caste and not the birth. If you look from a neutral perspective you can see that all these divisions of north-south - aryan-dravidian (which is disproved by atleast 3 eminet anthropologists and historians, and recently even proved genetically) are political than religious/historical - ppl with access to education and internet should atleast open thier eyes and see things for themselves than foolishly believing in some DMK propoganda and making the Karunas and Marans rich.
RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by r patil on Sep 25, 2007 11:47 PM Permalink
Who is this shudra tell me dinesh ,shambuk got this from dalit site(which is managed and maintained by usa christains).Lets say it is true, well as you dont the hindu costums hindus are not suppose to ask and care about a persons cast after they have given up caste job and taken sanyas.In marathi we have a saying that we should never try to find rivers root and rishi's kul(caste & dnynasti).Further more it is a hindu tradition that all are entitled to moksha regardless of caste,gender,race and even
human life even animals and plants have right to moksha.If you are familiar with any mythology of hindus you would know God gives a person whatever he wants even if the person is creul because it is his karma which earns him merit and not God's wish(which is biased with regard to islamic and christain od's as they favour only particular people from particular religion depending on their faith and not on their karma).
This story of shambuk is possibly a later day addition when caste system(i mean untouchbility)was at its peak.This story is totally inconsistant to the whole of ramayan as their not mention of one incident of similar kind,infact Ram would be first to kill Valmiki if this story is to be considered to be true.
As you know Valmiki was a decoit beloging from a lower cast who meditated and became rishi.By the way did you knew that Dr Ambedkar's uncle that is fater's brother was also a sanyasi.
And most importanly janak would have never adopted a abunded child whoes anc
RE:RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by r patil on Sep 25, 2007 11:54 PM Permalink
cotinued:
janak would have never adopted a abunded child whoes anciestry and caste was unknown.FUrther more RAM would not have even gone to her sayamber and made her his wife if he was so cast consience.Further more rama has praised Hanuman for his exellent sanskrit and knowledge of vedas even though his was from a primitive tribe.
RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 25, 2007 11:59 PM Permalink
patil,i will accept ur point that shambuk was a later add on,as im not a scholar of the ramayana.i will clarify and get back about that.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by Ramesh P on Sep 26, 2007 12:14 AM Permalink
Vali is also dalit in your view?? My god - how twisted your mind is??
Again to answer your question - Vali is an animal and as per Raj Dharma - king has the right to kill "animals causing trouble" to protect others. Vali was bad and had the boon of taking half of the opponents energy - he took away sugreeva's wife. Even today if some idiot takes away a girl against her wishes from your family - and say your cousin beats him up and brings the girl back - do you blame your cousin ?? I am not a religious expert, but this very question was asked to many swamijis and they gave clear explainations on this. One more thing - Ramayana and Mahabharata will have both good and bad things - which show the examples of what a person should do and should not do in life. The dalit websites posted many reference to some puranas and vedas and upon checking the sources of the verses - I found that after digging enough either the verse is completly unrelated or its meaning is twisted. For example there was quote from PadmaPurana in a website (run by xtian desis) which says that Brahma married his daughter etcc. Upon reading the verse - it says Brahma created a woman through his creation and asked her whether she would marry him - she agreed. So you can see how these twisted brains can distort facts - if brahma married his daughter who is her mother ?? Indians and Hindus are always made to believe that anything "thiers" is inferior - example culture, religion, practises, and british succeeded
RE:DMK's political twist unravelled...
by Seshadri on Sep 26, 2007 12:19 AM Permalink
Ramesh, I would agree with you that the Christian and Islamic websites may have references which degrade the Vedic Culture...
It is the onus of every "Son of our Soil" to read for "himself" and then imbibe the essence...
I see many in this forum who do a google search, find out their supportive arguments and then query aggressively...
RE:Hinduism by Wats Up on Sep 25, 2007 10:44 PM Did I read other religion as "childish" ??:) who pray tree, Snake, Monkey, Elephant....Stones ....dont hv the time to list 33 crores...Did you call worshipping idols as supreme?? No...it's stupidity..no offense intended.. Here you comes on point derc cruse... You said, you religious scripture is corrputed...OOPSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!! Vedas got corrputed...Damn!! So since your religious scripture is corrupted..I'll ask u to do some HOME WORK and read scripture which is not corrputed from other religion. May be, u might guide to the right path ....I'll pray for u..
RE:To derc Cruse
by sandeep munshi on Sep 26, 2007 12:36 AM Permalink
Hinduism is not a belief system seeking converts. It is not striving to narrow down our sense of who we are or what we can do. It is a set of spiritual resources, carefully gathered since the most ancient times, which is available, like a wonderful set of tools, to help us build our own inner life. If we regard Hinduism as merely another religion, then it is not of much value, and we should discard it like the rest. But if we understand Hinduism as a universal tradition, which shows how spirituality can be integrated into the whole of life, then it can be of great value for reformulating a global spiritual culture today.
RE:To derc Cruse
by Al-lat the moon God on Sep 25, 2007 11:02 PM Permalink
Dear Wats Up, I think its equally stupid to read religions of other scriptures since they are man made too ultimately. However, it is not wrong to believe in idols or in fairy tales. Where it becomes a problem is when certain relgions believe that they are superior to others and convert people through the use of force, threats, lies and monetary benefits. I will pray for you (to whatever God you believe in) so that you are in the right path (the one you believe to be right).
RE:RE:To derc Cruse
by Reuben on Sep 25, 2007 11:08 PM Permalink
Again....stick to the damn point...whats conversion got to do with WatsUp's question? For your info Muslims and xtians do not worship idols (they believe that god cannot be recreated with anything earthly and materialistic) Also, I seriously think believing in fairy tales is plain wrong...wow...do you believe in tooth fairy....
RE:To derc Cruse
by Al-lat the moon God on Sep 26, 2007 12:11 AM Permalink
Mr. Reuben, As a Christian do you believe that Jesus was born to a virgin-Mary. At the same time, muslims believe that the prophet ascended to heaven with the archangel Gabriel. Then why do you have double standards and just call Hinduism as one that is childish? Contemplate this sir!
RE:RE:RE:To derc Cruse
by Pavan on Sep 25, 2007 11:12 PM Permalink
Reben, No one is fanatic about religion, infact i denounce religion and i abhore organized religion. That said, hinduism(induism) is culture that predates all religions today by thousands of years. And above all, i dont believe in arguing/fighthing about "God", the major wars todays are because of muslim/christian idealogy clash. And get this, if there were ever a judgement day according to monotheistic religions, it is never going to be "we" who are going to be judged, it is them (" the gods ") that needs to judged.
RE:To derc Cruse
by Wats Up on Sep 25, 2007 11:06 PM Permalink
I didn't said u believe my religion...I said, KNOW THE FACTS BY YOURSELF. But to know the fact u need to open mind and start doing finding urself..Just imagine, wat wud hv happen if each GOD has its own territory on land..I cant even imagine??? I am with you on the point that forcefully trying to convert someone in their own belief will lead to increase the differences !!!
RE:To derc Cruse
by Pavan on Sep 25, 2007 11:01 PM Permalink
Wats up,
What do you pray ?, and why do you pray ?, you will have the answer(once you start meditating), and answering this will increase your width of your thought process which is very limited right now. And above all, go get a life !
RE:To derc Cruse
by Reuben on Sep 25, 2007 11:04 PM Permalink
Why do religious fanatics....always change the subject to their favorite themes? WatsUp's point has nothing to do with meditation.....cmon Pavan use better arguments
RE:To derc Cruse
by Pavan on Sep 25, 2007 11:12 PM Permalink
Reben, No one is fanatic about religion, infact i denounce religion and i abhore organized religion. That said, hinduism(induism) is culture that predates all religions today by thousands of years. And above all, i dont believe in arguing/fighthing about "God", the major wars todays are because of muslim/christian idealogy clash. And get this, if there were ever a judgement day according to monotheistic religions, it is never going to be "we" who are going to be judged, it is them (" the gods ") that needs to judged.
RE:To derc Cruse
by Wats Up on Sep 25, 2007 11:03 PM Permalink
I meditiate daily and at regular intervals...You wording sounds more phylosophical..I dnt think we are discussing dat issue here.
RE:To derc Cruse
by derc cruse on Sep 25, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
@ Reuben "God cannot be recreated with earthy object"
The symbol of God is image. Just like you write water as H2O. HeO is not water right? It is the symbol of water made with words that noway corrsponds to water. I think now it will go to your brain.
Sridhar, I believe you are a sincere devotee. But i'll say lets look into the truth...and read wat religious scripture says... GOD is One, GOD is Eternal He begets not nor was He begotten There is none like unto Him
None of your GOD hindus worship satisfies this defination..so y worship them...?
RE:To Sridhar
by Pavan on Sep 25, 2007 11:17 PM Permalink
Your definition is flawed, why is this eternal god a "he" why not a "she" ? He Begets ?, how does he reproduce ? Why is there no one like him ?, but guess what, there is "she" just like him, they are identical twins Peace bro....
RE:To Sridhar
by derc cruse on Sep 25, 2007 11:41 PM Permalink
What muslims do to allah is our Brahma. But for our protection brahma created shiva and Vishnu who we worship to get help. These all are the manifestation of Brahma. Just like all the water, and clouds are manifestion of the same ocean. Got it?
RE:To Sridhar
by derc cruse on Sep 25, 2007 11:39 PM Permalink
Whats up again. ALl the Hindu worships confirms your definition. Read Geeta to find out what Krishna said about that. He said I will become finite for the devotees from infinite forms. This world has more than 3 domension that modern science is saying now. But we can only fathom 3 dimension. SO? what to do?
RE:George
by Polisetty Ravishankar on Sep 25, 2007 10:56 PM Permalink
I too am working on certain technologies an they will be available for the public in 4 years. Thats why 4 years
