I am an atheist, and I don't believe in Rama. But what is the point in trying to ask if Rama himself would disapprove of protests against Sethusamudram project?
Do you see any secularist asking whether Mohammad would disapprove over Muslims praying so much to Kaaba like an idol? Or Muslims revering the bal at the Hazratbal? Ohhh, when they do it, then it's not idolatry, right?
Come on. The self-proclaimed secularists are all about double standards. The type of secularism that is practiced in India is the exact opposite of the secularism practiced in the developed world. It's just a fake slogan.
As an atheist, I am disgusted that the racially chauvinist DMK has hijacked my belief system (atheism) for their racist agenda.
RE:Stupid Questions
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 06:32 AM Permalink
The point is -"to make the sethusamuduram project reality". After all everyone is not fighting about your belief system (atheism). I am a believer in god and dont believe in Rama, which are irrelevant to the point. All we want is some common sense and Sethusamuduram project's fast implementation.
RE:RE:Stupid Questions
by san man on Sep 26, 2007 06:42 AM Permalink
Which god do you believe in, and from where do you obtain his guidance? As an atheist, I don't believe in Rama, or Jesus, or Buddha, or Mohammad. But just because I don't believe in Buddha, doesn't mean that I wasn't outraged to see Taliban destroy the Buddhas at Bamiyan. DMK is trying to behave in the same way. This is wrong, and it's typical of Karunanidhi who admires Stalin (he named his own son after a mass-murder in Europe)
RE:Stupid Questions
by san man on Sep 26, 2007 06:38 AM Permalink
Dravidianist movement is not a rationalist movement. They have hijacked the word 'rationalism' but do not behave like rationalists should. Rationalism isn't supposed to single out one religion for particular targetting. Rationalism isn't supposed to be used in the service of racial ideology. Racial chauvinism isn't rational. DMK are simply trying to exploit rationalism as a vehicle to peddle their racism.
RE:RE:Stupid Questions
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 07:04 AM Permalink
Well One Mukerhee wishing for a death of MK and praying to Lord Rama for his downfall itself shows how our Dravidian movement has gained importance. It has uprooted Aryan supremacy and caste system and exposed Veda's . No wonder you are calling for its blood and head. But for one MK crores of fellow proud Tamil and Dravidian brother's will resolve to continute to be free from the shakcles of Aryan dominance.
RE:Stupid Questions
by Sunny K on Sep 26, 2007 08:24 AM Permalink
Interesting Balakrishna! Why do the proud and rationalistic Dravidians/Tamilians keep electing Jaya (a Kannada Iyengar with acting as her only qualification) every other time? Or MGR ,the only Keralite to drop out of grade school?Every religion has its faults.Why are you not exposing what Islam has done to women,Christianity to Jews and blacks,etc?Are those not crimes?The problem is not with rationalism itself -I am personally agnostic .The problem is the selective usage of that ideology to abuse Hinduism.Do you think the slave-of-Sonia Singh would dare claim there was no proof Muhammad existed -or laughed at Jesus's "virgin birth"?Every body has the right to his/her beliefs - except Hindus,I guess.If the DK/DMK is all about rationalism,ask "Kruel"nidhi to not wear that stupid yellow towel on his shoulder like a waiter at Sangeetha Bhavan -something a Brahmin astrologer told him to.Why did Periyar marry a teenage Brahmin girl at 84 - was it not what a Brahmin Josiar told him to do?
RE:Stupid Questions
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 07:01 AM Permalink
The very meaning of us entering temple and worshipping god, having access to education, women having more freedom as a result of abolishing devadasi system, sati system are all 'direct' results of the Dravidian movement. If you dont belive these things as rational, even god cannot save you.
RE:Stupid Questions
by Sunny K on Sep 26, 2007 08:34 AM Permalink
Dei,BalaKrishna,why do you care about entering temples if you do not believe in Hinduism?Women having freedom - Ha Ha Ha .Tamil Nadu is the only state where the chief minister has two wives -openly.Jaya was physically abused in the Assembly-if that is womens's freedom,your womenfolk must be in cages!
RE:RE:Stupid Questions
by Sunny K on Sep 26, 2007 08:38 AM Permalink
What about this ,Balalkrishna? Let Karunanidhi have the guts to ask Islam to allow female mullahs or the Pope to allow female Catholic priests?If non-Brahmins can become Archakas,why can "Fatima" or Catherine not do the same?
RE:Stupid Questions
by deepak sarkar on Sep 26, 2007 07:28 AM Permalink
Rascaldom of Karunanidhi
It is not surprising to have chief ministers who have no knowledge.It is said in the vedic literature that fools and rascals will occupy leadership positions in Kali yuga (the age of quarrel and hypocrisy).In the Bhagavad Gita,The Supreme Personality of Godhead,Lord Sri Krsna, states, O son of Pr%u0323th%u0101, in this world there are two kinds of created beings. One is called the divine and the other demoniac. I have already explained to you at length the divine qualities. Now hear from Me of the demoniac. Those who are demoniac do not know what is to be done and what is not to be done. Neither cleanliness nor proper behavior nor truth is found in them.They say that this world is unreal, with no foundation, no God in control. They say it is produced of sex desire and has no cause other than lust.Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world.Taking shelter of insatiable lust and absorbed in the conceit of pride and false prestige, the demoniac, thus illusioned, are always sworn to unclean work, attracted by the impermanent.They believe that to gratify the senses is the prime necessity of human civilization. Thus until the end of life their anxiety is immeasurable. Bound by a network of hundreds of thousands of desires and absorbed in lust and anger, they secure money by illegal means for sense gratification.The demoniac person thinks: "So
RE:RE:Stupid Questions
by deepak sarkar on Sep 26, 2007 07:30 AM Permalink
The demoniac person thinks: "So much wealth do I have today, and I will gain more according to my schemes. So much is mine now, and it will increase in the future, more and more. He is my enemy, and I have killed him, and my other enemies will also be killed. I am the lord of everything. I am the enjoyer. I am perfect, powerful and happy. I am the richest man, surrounded by aristocratic relatives. There is none so powerful and happy as I am. I shall perform sacrifices, I shall give some charity, and thus I shall rejoice." In this way, such persons are deluded by ignorance.Thus perplexed by various anxieties and bound by a network of illusions, they become too strongly attached to sense enjoyment and fall down into hell.Self-complacent and always impudent, deluded by wealth and false prestige, they sometimes proudly perform sacrifices in name only, without following any rules or regulations.Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demons become envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated in their own bodies and in the bodies of others, and blaspheme against the real religion.Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, I perpetually cast into the ocean of material existence, into various demoniac species of life.Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, O son of Kunt%u012B, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they sink down to the most abominable type of existence.There are three gates le
RE:RE:RE:Stupid Questions
by deepak sarkar on Sep 26, 2007 07:32 AM Permalink
There are three gates leading to this hell %u2014 lust, anger and greed. Every sane man should give these up, for they lead to the degradation of the soul.The man who has escaped these three gates of hell, O son of Kunt%u012B, performs acts conducive to self-realization and thus gradually attains the supreme destination.He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme destination.One should therefore understand what is duty and what is not duty by the regulations of the scriptures. Knowing such rules and regulations, one should act so that he may gradually be elevated.(Bhag.Gita 16.7-16.24). deepak
RE:Stupid Questions
by deepak sarkar on Sep 26, 2007 07:22 AM Permalink
It is not surprising to have chief ministers who have no knowledge.It is said in the vedic literature that fools and rascals will occupy leadership positions in Kali yuga (the age of quarrel and hypocrisy).In the Bhagavad Gita,The Supreme Personality of Godhead,Lord Sri Krsna, states, O son of Pr%u0323th%u0101, in this world there are two kinds of created beings. One is called the divine and the other demoniac. I have already explained to you at length the divine qualities. Now hear from Me of the demoniac. Those who are demoniac do not know what is to be done and what is not to be done. Neither cleanliness nor proper behavior nor truth is found in them.They say that this world is unreal, with no foundation, no God in control. They say it is produced of sex desire and has no cause other than lust.Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world.Taking shelter of insatiable lust and absorbed in the conceit of pride and false prestige, the demoniac, thus illusioned, are always sworn to unclean work, attracted by the impermanent.They believe that to gratify the senses is the prime necessity of human civilization. Thus until the end of life their anxiety is immeasurable. Bound by a network of hundreds of thousands of desires and absorbed in lust and anger, they secure money by illegal means for sense gratification.The demoniac person thinks: "So much wealth do I h
RE:What would Lord Rama say about Sethu Canal project?
by on Sep 26, 2007 07:10 AM Permalink
Your contradicting your own question, if Rama existed... There is no discussion that we were talking about. See my point.
RE:What would Lord Rama say about Sethu Canal project?
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 06:09 AM Permalink
Well he would first of all , he would be ashamed that he no one is using a bridge constructed by a God for traffic. He would have loved all Ram baktha's to daily visit Ram's bridge so that he can collect toll's as if he is alive , he wouldnt be able to earn bread as no one would such a cartoon character like super man or spiderman or may be shakthiman....And I now seriously worry may be after few thousand years these idiots will say there was a bridge build by Shakthimaan -- Dont walk over it!!!
RE:What would Lord Rama say about Sethu Canal project?
by Arunesh on Sep 26, 2007 06:32 AM Permalink
Look what happens to you after your padri sexually abuses you in child hood. Go to a therapist. Dont come here.
RE:What would Lord Rama say about Sethu Canal project?
by san man on Sep 26, 2007 07:14 AM Permalink
Bala Krishnan, yours and Karunanidhi's propaganda sound like the propaganda of Idi Amin or Robert Mugabe. These dictators would also endlessly talk about importance of African nationalism in uprooting discrimination against them, even while they were campaigning to uproot all the Asians and Whites. You saw how these revolutionaries ended up, so now you know what DMK's future is.
RE:What would Lord Rama say about Sethu Canal project?
by Tathagata Mukherjee on Sep 26, 2007 06:09 AM Permalink
And who defines what is goodness? M Karunanidhi who keeps 2 extra wives. Whose sons attack press and kill people. Who helps his family, relatives to build up a business empire worth few billions of dollars:)-
RE:What would Lord Rama say about Sethu Canal project?
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 06:19 AM Permalink
No -- Your Lord Rama's father who had 60,000 wifes and prostitues and didnt know who is Ram's realy mother or fater wither --- and your Lord Ram who killed Valee by backstabbing him -- and doubted Sita's fidelity that may be she was repeatedly raped and molested by monkeys --are true god's and good personalities. If you have any doubt's about goodness -- you can ask King of Deva's Mr.Womonizer Indra --but make sure he has time inspite of his busy schedule of 'working' on girls --
RE:RE:What would Lord Rama say about Sethu Canal project?
by Mahesh Balakrishnan on Sep 26, 2007 06:38 AM Permalink
Balakrishnan,I doubt you are really Hindu,just a pseudonym,you do not know history or have read any Hindu scriptures or any text,you are blind to the good points of Hinduism or any other religion for that matter,why don't you learn about the obedience of a son to a father,the love of Hanuman or the courage?Of Animals and Humans co existing,of good over evil,and many more things,more than religion and all this bull crap,think how you can strengthen the nation by not paying bribes,eradicating poverty,Understand the true meaning of "Ram Rajya",Garv se kaho hum Indian hain Mahesh
Brahmin try to act smart, but they utterly failed they will do all to come to power 1. Rajaji was an appointed CM not an elected CM 2. Jaya realtionship with MGR to come to power 3. Jaya being a brahmin , brahmin in state supported her inspiate of all her corrupton and criminal charges 4. brahmins want BJP brahmin party ins centre and JJ brahmn rule in state they use hindu snetiments for it
5.kanchi seer involeved in killing , conspiracy, sex etc, still brahmins in state support him
the Tn state has understood their cunningness and rooted out them in TN, so other states be careful
they are just 3% but want to be in power without any sacrifice
RE:Brahmin politics doesnt work in TN
by ss on Sep 26, 2007 06:31 AM Permalink
jaya statement in TN assembly is she is proud of being an brahmin. it was there in all in Indian newspapers so your statement of her caste doent have weightage
RE:Brahmin politics doesnt work in TN
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 05:57 AM Permalink
Hindutva will never surge when you talk caste. And that is the basic difference between us. Hinduism is based on caste system and Aryan Brahmins placed themselves on top of other people. Even after several thousand years they still dont want to come out of that and use Ram and religion to stop a development project.
RE:RE:Brahmin politics doesnt work in TN
by Tathagata Mukherjee on Sep 26, 2007 06:00 AM Permalink
Lo! same dravidian idiot, or converts for money or jehadis are back:)-
RE:RE:Brahmin politics doesnt work in TN
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 06:11 AM Permalink
Thank you your Aryan Majesty!! We are indebted for your service to the society and the help that you rendered for the upliftment of these idiots!
RE:RE:RE:Brahmin politics doesnt work in TN
by Arunesh on Sep 26, 2007 06:34 AM Permalink
Where does your rational scintific spirit go in case of islam and christianity. Guess you are too afraid to be slaughtered.
RE:Brahmin politics doesnt work in TN
by Mahesh Balakrishnan on Sep 26, 2007 06:45 AM Permalink
SS,Wake up ,nobody wants any caste polictics in india or TN,it's buffoons like you who divide India into Brahmins,Non Brahms,North and south India.Have you proved the case against Kanchi Seer?Has there been a better CM than Rajaji?When Rajni had chance did he come to politics?The old man has been promoting his family and Sun TV when it was convenient(Remember -Mudalvan movie)how has he amassed so much wealth?Jaya was heading a dravidian party ,a state where you guys will lick filmstars.Brahmins have done India proud globally same goes for people of other castes/religions,genre,and it's a fact that today most of the Brahmins are most secular,and caste agnostic,wake up and do something instead of dividing on caste and lingusitics lines,eradicate reservations on caste lines. JaiHind
RE:Brahmin politics doesnt work in TN
by ss on Sep 26, 2007 07:24 AM Permalink
MB thanks for the reply. dont name me or call me names. jiust reply for what we are discussing here. ru sure i am a tamilian? dont make any guess work. i am ot going to answer that.
1.was rajajai the best CM? how did you arrive at this conclusion a. making TN secratariat a brahmin tent is not best CM b. introudcucing kulakalvi thittam c. he was a local lawyer and became a presidnet of india (just like deva gowda and Paneer selvam becoming PM and cm of state) d. was with congress and then by his relationship with gandhi (rajaji son got married gandhi daughter) became an appointed CM e. later when gandhi understood his bad politics and power hunger, he joined hands with DMK to over throw kamaraj
2. kanchi seer its a mutt and why is it involved in 1000 of crores money. tamilnadu hospital took over by kanchi mutt was spold to sundaram again a brahmin for 220 crores. since he has acharge why is he still stciking to pwer peetathipathi lol
if DMK is encouraging his family 1. MK asset is 350 crores in 50 years politics 2. JJ in 1991 said she doesnt have any money now has 300 crores in 15 years and now purchased 998 acres of estate
so we know what these brahmins do to the satte and use people on gods and hindu sentiments
RE:Ram is not issue politics on Ram is
by a a on Sep 26, 2007 05:18 AM Permalink
1. BJP (has to come to power) - Agreed 2. ADMK (corrupt brahmin supported by brahmin in state) - Nope, she just lost all brahmin vote after Shankaracharya's arrest 3. subramanyam swamy - a brahmin - who cares? does he even live in India? 4. hindu saints most of them are brahmins - STUPID - you need to tear off your sacred thread to become a saint. A saint does not have caste/ creed, etc. A BIG MYTH. 5. ela ganesan brahmin - who cares? 6.cho brahmin - how long will his political career last?
Conclusion - you think All brahmins support Ramar because he is an Aryan - think again - Ravana was a Brahmin.
RE:Congress, DMK has no option but to re-orient the canal.
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 06:00 AM Permalink
For the sake of "truth" and preserving our pride we are ready to face any challenge and price. No matter what Sethu Canal will be a reality. No matter how much cruely and cunning Brahmin brain's like Subramaniya Swamy work -- We will overcome the odd's
We Hindus are docile, law abiding and to a great extent cowardly, and that is why everybody is bullying and insulting us. Thousands of years of slavery has repressed and suppressed us and we are unable to fight or even protest in an effective manner.
Just think, would insult of their traditional gods be tolerated in any other community or nation? Jesus also drank alcohol, in fact it is claimed that he made water into wine, will Karunanidhi ever dare to call Jesus a drunkard ? It is claimed that Prophet Mohammed went to heaven on a horse back, will Sonia, Karunanidhi, and Prakash Karat dare call this as superstition ? What is the proof that Adam and Eve were really existing ? Kushwant Singh now wants to know the date of birth of Lord Rama and Lord Krishna. Why will he not ask for date of birth of Adam & Eve ? Why will he not ask for correct date and time of crucifixion of Christ ? Why will he not ask the correct time and date of birth of Prophet Mohammed ?
The problem is that all these worthless fellows know that they can get free media space for the rubbish they keep uttering everyday. The Hindus will meekly protest and those who protest will be abused everywhere as communal, anti-secular, and pro BJP. Try doing such stunts on the beliefs of any other community, they will become violent, ferocious and will seek nothing short of execution of those who speak against their religion.
The tragedy is that we Hindus never learn or realise that our very e
RE:I dare DMK leaders to open their dirty mouth!!
by on Sep 26, 2007 05:28 AM Permalink
They Problem with Indian people is that they are afraid of every thing which exist in this world, that is the reason they start worshipping these things by givin it a human body.
May be Ram did existed, however he might have been a chavalier and not God as worshiped by Hindus. Even they worship now the modern Gods such as Amitabh, Shahrukh, and famous Tamil actress Khusboo, you Indians will never woke up, no matter how well you are educated, you are still the same, you beleive in millions of Gods made out of your imaginations, and do all the ruthless rituals.
Just realize what and come to your senses what you are upto, and who you are worshipping, ironically your worship human male organs, to animals, its really disgusting.
My friend woke up these statues would not do any harm to you. Pray one GOD.
RE:I dare DMK leaders to open their dirty mouth!!
by Chola King on Sep 26, 2007 04:27 AM Permalink
(Contd) The tragedy is that we Hindus never learn or realise that our very existence is being threatened not only by these rubbish spouting politicians but by those foreigners, who are quietly ,analysing and studying our physical and mental reactions, in order to make assessments, of what reactions to anticipate in the event of some conflagration.
In any other country Ambika Soni, Karunanidhi, the Additional Solicitor General Mr.Gopal Subramaniam, ASI Director General, Culture Secretary, all would have been thrown out, nobody would have even cared to ask their views. But in Hindustan two middle level officers are suspended and all other offenders are creating a ruckus by demanding proof, scientific evidence, historical truth, and what not ?
We are living in a society where even the truth of what happenned yesterday is not known to anyone ! What happenned between Dayanidhi Maran and Karunanidhi, will they enlighten the scientific, historical and social truth of what went wrong ? What about the Bofors truth ?
Those who keep demanding proofs and truths for each and everything should well remember that those who live in glass houses should not throw stones at others.
