RE:Ram doesnt need bridge but brahmins need him
by r patil on Sep 26, 2007 08:53 AM Permalink
In early india it was maratha,sikhs and vijayanagara empires who came forward to save hinduism during independence and after independence it is brahmins and we are proud of all of them who ever they are,since achieving goal is important and not the caste.
RE:Ram doesnt need bridge but brahmins need him
by deep dar on Sep 26, 2007 09:16 AM Permalink
It isn't merely Brahmins, it is everyone who is proud of the Hindu religion.
RE:Ram doesnt need bridge but brahmins need him
by Chaitanya on Sep 26, 2007 09:52 AM Permalink
Every fundamentalist irrespective of religion is a "TERRORIST". 'TERRORISM AND COMMUNALISM ARE TWO HANDS OF CAPITALISM.
RE:Rationalist aka Xtian Convert>>Ram can't have a temple in his Birth Place Ayodhya
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 08:15 AM Permalink
that's why Indians are using western techology and even became slaves of West even after independence. they want west's weapon to counter China and Pakistan.
RE:RE:Rationalist aka Xtian Convert>>Ram can't have a temple in his Birth Place Ayodhya
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 08:17 AM Permalink
Where is the Ram temple that BJP promised while demolishing Babri Masji in 1990?
This is just observations and logical analysis so please don't get unneceraily emotional.
Both religions are founded on one-god-one-prophet-one-book, and if one tries to take any of the 3 or question any of the three, the whole religion collapses.
This makes them horribly sensetive about these 3 and their whole psychology works only to defend that structure, and every word in quran or bible. The only way they can stop questioning is to convert the person into the same mindset.
Now Christians call everyone non-believer, and Islam calls everyone infidel, both are queally fundamentalist in their beliefs...so they end-up in clashing as theyr near 50% in any country e.g. in Africa its already happening.
At the world stage its happening too. Its west vs Islam...the equation is pretty much sealed.
Now we just have to watch as they will finish each other.
The best option for humanity is for these two to reform but again...if they attempt to reform their foundation itself collapses,hence they will not.
Well, its tragedy but then let the bloodshed begin...or is it continue?
RE:What I am happy to see - about Christianity and Islam
by deep dar on Sep 26, 2007 09:17 AM Permalink
Yes, Since these religions are followed by mlecchas!
RE:Ram can't have a temple in his Birth Place Ayodhya
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 07:45 AM Permalink
Its not really funny --Its serious -- These so called saviours of hinduism just dont want us to develop and use this useless issue of Ram bridge. They are bored after destroying Babri Masjid and Killing people in Gujarat. They do want some fun and turned their attention towards South India. But its altogether a different ball game in South. For Sure they are going to bite the dust.
RE:Ram can't have a temple in his Birth Place Ayodhya
by Chola King on Sep 26, 2007 07:49 AM Permalink
I want to thank you George for teaching these stupid Hindus who have no clue about their heritage or the ancient texts of Vedas, Shastras etc. Thank you for your open mindedness.
RE:Ram can't have a temple in his Birth Place Ayodhya
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 08:05 AM Permalink
yeah right. The Aeroplanes are built using Vedas and Shastras!! good joke...
RE:Ram can't have a temple in his Birth Place Ayodhya
by deep dar on Sep 26, 2007 09:21 AM Permalink
Mr. Rationalist, It seems that your game is up. Why don't you run away now that Vedas are scientific in nature? Anyway, Vedas also describe the mathematical calculations that are made while constructing sanctum sanctorums in temples. The Pythagoras theorem was known to the Vedic civilization much before the rest of the world knew it. The Vedic civilization was the most developed in the human history since science and religion supported each other constructively.
Yesterday, the TOI had an article in which the Physics Nobel Prize winner said that modern science isn't able to explain 96% of the universe.
RE:Ram can't have a temple in his Birth Place Ayodhya
by r patil on Sep 26, 2007 08:38 AM Permalink
Whether you like it or not Ravan did had an aeroplan that's how he was able to capyutre sita from madhya pradesh and transport her the bay to srilanka in one,where Ram took many years to do so.Furter more it is mentioned in great detail and even the sound of the pushpak viman when vibhihan transported RAm and sita to ayadya in one day.Ravan was called 10headed because his brilliance was equal to 10clever head and we was expert in many science,so may be it was he who build the viman which even Ram did not had.
RE:Ram can't have a temple in his Birth Place Ayodhya
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 07:48 AM Permalink
Why don't you ask your VHP Swamiji and Harward educated Swamiji to file PIL in Supreme court that Dravidians damaged evidence of Pushpaka Vimaana?? Will it be a vote plank for BJP..May be we should copyright this from using in politics otherwise BJP would use this has they are brankrupt of any progressive ideas.
DMK is a party whose politics is based on racial blackmail. This type of extortionist movement should not be catered to or appeased. They are always continually looking for ways to attack the rest of the country which they hate, even though they still want the country to cater to their needs. They will tell non-Tamils to go to hell, but they still want them to make sure to send over that Cauvery water. The sneering blackmailers should not be pampered or coddled. If you want the rest of the nation to respect you, then you have to respect the rest of the nation right back. It's not a one-way street.
RE:DMK Racial Blackmail
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 07:38 AM Permalink
Well Mr.San man talking of Cauvery you still want to divide and rule dont you? Well neighbours have difference and that is nature. And you seem to be a VHP and BJP fan and talking about racial blackmail where your party demolished a mosque, cause religious violence in Gujarat and what name you have for this --May be "Mother Therasa" Oh no -- Now you will come to fight she is a christian -- Well now I really dont know what do you mean by racial blackmail if I cannot talk about Muslims or Christians.
Atheist genrally used to speak sensibily,but this man Karnnanidhi has proved himself otherwise .while he is saying that Ram was a fictitious character and did not exist , he has also said that Ram was a drunkard.see his brilliance .How does he say yhat that the non-existent Ram was a drunlkard? Senility has taken iuts toll and imposed such arotten head as cthe Chief Miniater of Tamil Nadu.Another interting point is that he had in a diffferent context extolled Ravana as a great Tamil King of Sri lanka .Ravan was an Historical person who was vanguished by Rama .Was Ravana vanguished by a non-existant person? Idiocy seems to have nolinmits in Tamil Nadu.Thei sis he problem with the illietrate politicians who ar econferred Doctorates also in Tamil nadu.He is a blot on Tamil Nadu.
RE:'Nobody has proved that Ram did not exist'
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 07:27 AM Permalink
Well Mr Ragavan Kesavan somebody has to appreciate your brilliance.
Rediff said: "I have not said anything more than Valmiki, who authored Ramayana. Valmiki had even stated that Ram was a drunkard. Have I said so?" he said at the DMK headquarters in Chennai on Thursday.
Newindpress said: "I have not said anything more than Valmiki, who authored Ramayana," he asked while replying to questions from reporters at the DMK headquarters here. "Is Advani ready to discuss Ramayana with me in the same platform after going through Valmiki Ramayana fully?" he asked. Asked whether he would accept implementing the project without disturbing Ram Setu, he said the intention of the project was not to destroy the Ram Setu."I only want the project to be implemented at the earliest as it would reduce the shipping expenses and develop trade.
"These are the exact comments" Now from where are earth you claim MK called Ram drunkard -- Do you have brain or its just not working on this one?
RE:'Nobody has proved that Ram did not exist'
by Deepak MA on Sep 26, 2007 09:55 AM Permalink
SathiyaNarayanan: Please explain the meaning of your name.
RE:This is the freedom of speech guaranteed in America!
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 07:22 AM Permalink
And how does this related to this issue? Oh we are looking forward to US as role model and example?? What happened to our country which has history of more than 3000 years ofcourse which we are fighting about. If you feel US is a rolemodel why BJP is crying against the nuclear deal?
RE:This is the freedom of speech guaranteed in America!
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 07:42 AM Permalink
Don't you belive in "Monkey built Ram bridge" before accusing me -- Well if I m really a monkey I for sure know that we didnt build Ram bridge for sure --- And you just wish us to be lowly coverts --which we are not going to do -- We are also hindu's and will fight injustice caused to us as hindu's.
RE:This is the freedom of speech guaranteed in America!
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 07:53 AM Permalink
Well I m trusting you buddy -- Because you are the saviour of hinduism. What can a poor Dravdian do -- Just trust and let veda's written and they are thrown to pick human shit and can;t even walk in same street -- Well do you still want us to trust...Well you just wish that our web of truth and pride to get thinner but its growing exponentially
RE:This is the freedom of speech guaranteed in America!
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 07:50 AM Permalink
And the Sand bridge is becoming thinner day by day and it will be totally removed our Rationalist.
RE:This is the freedom of speech guaranteed in America!
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 07:42 AM Permalink
Madhwa, u sure create division between Hindus. Good job. keep going.
RE:RE:RE:This is the freedom of speech guaranteed in America!
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 07:55 AM Permalink
Then don't bring Chandmama stories like 'monkey built bridge' to our Rational Hindu TamilNadu
RE:This is the freedom of speech guaranteed in America!
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 08:06 AM Permalink
before laughing, u did not answer my question. Why do you claim urself as Brahmin?
RE:RE:This is the freedom of speech guaranteed in America!
by Bhaumik on Sep 26, 2007 07:40 AM Permalink
Madhwa, I have seen your other posts in rediff. You are not a Hindu. You are a rabid fundementalist. the word "fundamentist" is the opposite of "Hindu".
Your ideology and hate-filled way of looking at things have nothing in common with Hinduism. You are a pucca RSS chap, and spew their sectarian drivel in every forum..
RE:RE:This is the freedom of speech guaranteed in America!
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 07:53 AM Permalink
may the caste hinduism has this face. But, not the Dravidian hinduism which is based on Rational thinking rather than caste fanatism of Ram's Hinduism. It is not a new face and history says that this is face for 5000 years.
Most of the Movements in India such as this one would cause a point of inconvenience to the general population but Faith is something that every person should respect even if its not yours to follow. The best thing that this movement can do so that the Governing body led by "Sonia" can understand is by following Mahatma Gandhi's medicine, "Non-cooperation" but in a modern way. Declare a working day as "Non-cooperation Day" and on this day everything works fine but everyone who believes in this faith refrain themselves from Using Cell Phones, Pumping Petrol in to Vehicles and a lot of other such things which would make a remarkable downsize in the government revenue. If one day isnt enough make it a Week and make the government feel the heat in a peaceful manner. Its about time that everyone should realize that Hindus also live in India because I Myself being a Hindu feel like a minority in India where more than 70% of the population is Hindu. Enough is Enough. Do you think even 1% of the Islamic population in India would take any such remark on their faith.
RE:One Idea to Make a point on this Faith
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 07:14 AM Permalink
I am not sure if some one has to feel a dominant religion or community to live peaceful in any country. And that is the concept of Secular and Democratic India. Well I like your idea of non co-operation but don't agree that any religion dominate another and make it feel lesser, which is not good for stability.
RE:RE:One Idea to Make a point on this Faith
by on Sep 26, 2007 07:23 AM Permalink
I didn't mean one community to be dominant but atleast one community should not be treated as they are non-existent in this country thats just not right. Tolerance is a relative term but anyone can take only so much. This would have never happened if the leader of the ruling party is not "Sonia" or if the Prime Minister is not her Muppet. Mr Singh is not to be blamed for this whole mess but he is effective only in a diplomatic way not politically.
RE:RE:RE:One Idea to Make a point on this Faith
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 07:29 AM Permalink
I think you belong to some other religion. That's why you are using abusive language in the name of 'Save Hinduism'. What's ur real goal? To divide hindus in the name of Caste
RE:One Idea to Make a point on this Faith
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 07:32 AM Permalink
Well what to do -- There is a world and these rice bags are also living in it -- They is no way you can run from us though you wish you can control us forever. That is not going to happen dude. And what do you mean by crap in my post ? Realities do hurt -- as you say Denying existence of Ram hurts ---
RE:One Idea to Make a point on this Faith
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 08:05 AM Permalink
Oh I didn't know you know mathematics very well. And you have a good definition for rice bag's
Now look at this simple maths.
Nan bag = Aryan
Rice bag = Dravidian
Nan bag Rice bag = Indian
Nan bag - Rice bag = Indian version of Pakistan
Rice bag - Nan bag = Original version of India
But we don't we orignial version as we are so much integrated and when we say "Chak de India" -- It gets to my blood..
But sorry to say we still don't belive in Ram and or to the least using him name to prevent a development project.
RE:One Idea to Make a point on this Faith
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 07:26 AM Permalink
Hindu faith is not one faith. All Hindu faiths don't caste. Ram was a promoter of caste. So, once of sect of Hindus don't accept Ram.
RE:RE:RE:One Idea to Make a point on this Faith
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 08:00 AM Permalink
Just playing the same card. You say that u r Brahmin which is first division u bring among Hindus but have ur name as 'Save Hinduism'. We know how to play the caste politics
RE:Bala Krishnan
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 07:09 AM Permalink
That is the same thing that you did us by writing Veda's and Gita's. Now you wish the same for me. Atlest we are not dumb a$$ now so that you can have a ride. Thanks for your polite words and compliments. It gives me more resolve and pride to work for the betterment of our people.
RE:Bala Krishnan
by Bala krishnan on Sep 26, 2007 07:18 AM Permalink
Well you should know what I mean by your people ..Or you really pretend that you dont know?? When you have called me to pack my rice bags -- what did you think whom you are referring?? And you are talking about predetermined bias?? Well to make clear if you are not -- I m talking your people who don't carry rice bag's!! Of course we are daily labourers who carry rice bags but that doent mean you can be our master! No profession is lesser -- and you have to get our of your predetermined bias --tat rice bags are fools!
RE:RE:Bala Krishnan
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 07:24 AM Permalink
Bala, Those guys practised this oppression for 5000 years and when the oppressed people fight back, they could not accept it. Look for the result though. The progress of Rice bags could never be stopped by these upper castes since those days were gone
RE:RE:RE:Bala Krishnan
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 07:37 AM Permalink
We are doing that since 1927 and TamilNadu is one of the most successful state.
The war climax comes when we destroy the so called monkey built bridge. just watch.
RE:RE:RE:Bala Krishnan
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 07:17 AM Permalink
your language won't save Hinduism. If you try to divide Hindus with the Aryan Ram, you might as well succeed. But, the Sethu canal will be built for the welfare of the rational thinking people
RE:Bala Krishnan
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 07:45 AM Permalink
Damn, you are abusing your Ram. Anyway, there is no original Dravidian literature that talks about Ram or his so called Varna system
RE:RE:Bala Krishnan
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 07:32 AM Permalink
Who is Brahmin? why are you proud of being a Brahmin? Just because you abuse the poor people work for 5000 years? Are you ashmed of yourself by calling yourself as Brahmin and creating a division between Hindus in the name of Caste
RE:Bala Krishnan
by san man on Sep 26, 2007 07:17 AM Permalink
The DravidiaNazi who calls himself 'Rationalist' is back. Don't hijack the philosophy of rationalism to peddle your irrational racial agenda. I am a genuine atheist and rationalist, and I call foul. I see your racism for the irrational hate ideology that it is. Don't pretend that what you believe in is rationalism. You're nothing but a cheap racist.
RE:RE:Bala Krishnan
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 07:20 AM Permalink
Dravidian don't take the question of Ram's existence to Ayodhya. They question when Ayodhya Ram comes to Dravidian land to hinder their progress. Now who is the Nazi?
RE:Bala Krishnan
by san man on Sep 26, 2007 07:28 AM Permalink
Which progress are you claiming? Destroying Tamil Nadu fisheries? There's no progress being offered by Sethusamudram.
RE:RE:Bala Krishnan
by Rationalist on Sep 26, 2007 07:35 AM Permalink
Fisheries? good question. But, we are dealing with Ram now. Once we are done with Ram, we will deal with you.
I believe that opponents of Sethusamudram should try to offer Tamil Nadu a better alternative project, rather than this canal. Tamil Nadu should instead be offered a project to extensively develop its road network, for land transportation. Rail network should be augmented too.
Road-based trucking is much faster than slow shipping, and can easily deliver directly to end-user sites. This is much more suitable for Tamil Nadu's booming auto parts industry, with Just-in-Time delivery requirements.
Sethusamudram was pitched as offering faster shipping from coast-to-coast, like Gujarat to Kolkata, but with better land transport networks such shipping would not be necessary. Furthermore, such shipping routes would have to hug the Indian coastline, thus increasing coastal pollution. This would be ecologically damaging, hurting not just the tourism industry but also the fishing industry.
Furthermore, choosing shipping transport over land transport would bypass development of interior areas, allowing prosperous coastal cities, with backward and impoverished interior areas. Do we want to be like Israel or Australia?
Common man wants bijli-sadak-pani, and development of land transport industry would help that. Besides truck transport favours small businesses with lower startup costs, and creates economic ripple effects with eateries and motels and pump stations to all service the drivers. This produces much better trickledown effects for the masses. Shipping companies are big compani
RE:Land Transport vs Sea Route
by san man on Sep 26, 2007 07:11 AM Permalink
(cont'd) Shipping companies are big companies which would not produce trickledown of wealth, and would instead bypass the common man, depriving him of economic opportunity. The only beneficiaries would be DMK cutting their deals with the big shipping companies, and grabbing their cut of the money. Any resultant failure to bring development to the masses would then be blamed as usual on the evil Brahmin/Shylock "conspiracy", and milked for more votes.
