Will ships passing thru Dhanushkodi give livelyhood to fishermen who will lose their work? Will it generate enough international money to give a school in every deprived village? Will it give jobs to every unemployed youth? No. The money will go to Baalu's shipping ministry and will be used only in shipping matters. Ships passing through will only open up a smuggling route for drugs, weapons, and foreign goods and will encourage rampant prostitution and drug culture in the backwards poor areas in its's route besides opening up a new front for Pak terrorists to exploit along with LTTE. Besides dredging the sea channel is not a natural thing and will destroy the natural environment of the sea and will only create more problems when the sea will retaliate. Then, when the next earthquake or Tsunami strikes, the results will be more severely destructive. Has the UPA assessed what damage the coastlines of TN and Kerala will suffer due to this misadventure and whether a natural calamity won't be craeted by upsetting the internal checks, balances and dynamics of the sea? To my knowledge no country has dug shipping canals in the sea. This could weaken some fragile sea beds and lead to frequent sea quakes, tsunamis, disasters and sea storms. Who will then pay the price my friend? People of Tamil Nadu living in coastal areas of course! And where will your Periyaars and Karunanidhis be when that happens? Your guess is as good as mine.
RE:Answer me my questions Kalimuthu....Think about these beyond Rama-Sethu from Sience and Economy views...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 07:23 PM Permalink
vikas bhatt, this site has answers to all the issues that u have raised. if u r not convinced,u can file a public interest litigation.
RE:Answer me my questions Kalimuthu....Think about these beyond Rama-Sethu from Sience and Economy views...
by Pritish Nagaraj on Sep 26, 2007 07:44 PM Permalink
Again as I said.. it is like asking the criminal if you committed any crime ! Why will setusamudram guy tell that he is doing wrong to the people or nature .... thats nonsense !
I've visited that site, I saw that 24.x% dredging had been done by 12 Sep.
RE:Ram Setu - IBN Live find - Good one
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 07:18 PM Permalink
pritish,this is the official site with all the information. if these are not valid, subramania swamy would have filed a case arguing against the economics or the environmental features. spend some time at this site and talk based on the facts. education requires us to be informed .
It is like asking the culprit whether you commited crime ! ... and reg facts... dont worry I've colleagues here for the very Rameshwaram, ..... just watch those videos ... see how the fishermen are protesting ... watch it man... watch it... it shows everything from the very RAM SETHU ... it even shows the dredging ships ....you can talk later.
RE:Ram Setu - IBN Live find - Good one
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 07:31 PM Permalink
pritish,when any mega project comes up,there will be people who are affected. the govt weighs all the pros and cons. the govt is being run in accordance with the law. u r exhibiting total ignorance of the process of governance. governance is a science,pritish. there is a method for everything. the govt can be taken to court if it provides wrong information. why dont u g through te site ,u will find that all the issues raised by the cnnibn report have been addressed. if u r not satisfied,u can always contact subramania swamy with ur point.he will only be eager to consider any information which can win the case against the canal. u can get his phone number easily.
Thats why I said u r totally mistaken .... go watch the ibn video.... u'll know what development/jobs it is giving to country ... it is rather curse for the jobs of the thousands of fishermen .. it is curse for the environment... it is a curse on us as it will be us who'll be paying for the project as tax.
RE:Death to Karunanidhi
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 06:51 PM Permalink
if it were not for leaders like periyar and karunanidhi,the lower castes would still not be allowed into temples. the entire population of lower castes would have become frustrated with hinduism and ould have converted to other religions. periyar and karunanidhi gave shock treatment to hinduism and saved it.
RE:RE:Death to Karunanidhi
by randomrantings on Sep 26, 2007 06:59 PM Permalink
Hey, don't forget Rajaji (a brahmin, by the way) was a staunch supporter of temple entry for all castes and passed pioneering legislation in this regard.
RE:Death to Karunanidhi
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 07:03 PM Permalink
he was also a proponent of the kula kalvi programme which wanted children to train in the occupations of their parents. rajaji was a great leader in his own right. i was informing the people who abuse karunanidhi,that without leadership like his,hinduism would be vastly depleted. the forces of tradition were defeated by the rationalist ideology of the dk.the same policies were upheld politically by the dmk.
RE:Death to Karunanidhi
by Tamil Baiter on Sep 26, 2007 07:31 PM Permalink
Periyar himself belonged to a landed classes i never heard him heaping abuse on his own caste LOL, once again you harp on temple entry. Not a single loss of life was lost because Periyar was influenced by Gandhi and Brahmins should thank god for that else Periyars and his followers would have butchered Brahmins. As far as I know Brahmins had very little power apart from being able to read and write Sanskrit and some mathematical knowledge. There are very few prominent Brahmins even in Mahabharata and Ramayana and they are penniless and beg to make a living. Periyar's ideology is as bad as Hitler,Sinhalese ideology, Hutu leaders ideology which led to massacre of Tutsis in Rwanda. The only thing diffrent was Periyar was influenced by Gandhi. The whole point of Periyars ideology was to find a scapegoat and blame them, their intention was not to rid Hinduism of casteism. Even today Hindus in TN marry among same caste and I heard even converted Christians look for match with those who have converted from the same caste. There are more inter-caste marriages in North India and that will rid Hinduism of casteism, not this brand of rationalism.
RE:Death to Karunanidhi
by on Sep 26, 2007 07:11 PM Permalink
IF IT WERE NOT FOR DINESH KUMAR THE CUT AND PASTE, CAP, SERVICE OF THE WINDOWS WOULD HAVE GONE WASTE.
RE:Death to Karunanidhi
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 07:25 PM Permalink
his comment was made necessary because rama was dragged into politics and into a court. he was voted to bring development and generate jobs. when governance and development is being stopped by faith,the chief minister performed his duty by questioning whether rama was real or imaginary. the guilty party for this whole situation are the people who took this matter to court.
Thats why I said u r totally mistaken .... go watch the ibn video.... u'll know what development/jobs it is giving to country ... it is rather curse for the jobs of the thousands of fishermen .. it is curse for the environment... it is a curse on us as it will be us who'll be paying for the project as tax.
RE:Death to Karunanidhi
by on Sep 26, 2007 07:17 PM Permalink
SO CAP IS A POISON ANTIDOTE PLEASE ALSO CONVEY THIS TO THE SENIOR DOC OF MAJOR HOSPITALS,
RE:RE:RE:Death to Karunanidhi
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 07:06 PM Permalink
the nda approved this project and selected this very alignment that is being implemented now. when the bjp now tries to stop the project using the name of rama, the chief minister of tamilnadu responded by stating that rama was imaginary. who brought rama into politics,the bjp or the dmk. the chief minister also stated that the valmiki ramayana had references to rama being a drunkard. the chief minister also challenged advani for a debate. the educated people should realise that the bjp dragged rama into politics and is solely responsible for upsetting the feelings of hindus.
RE:Death to Karunanidhi
by Vikas Bhatt on Sep 26, 2007 07:46 PM Permalink
NDA only carried out a feasibility study. They did NOT implement it. They could have easily staretd the project and pocketed 2,500 crores sanctioned for the project which is the real reason for baalu and Karuna's so xcalled Tamil nadu development plank. Rs 2,500 crores of money which can be usurped through their own business networks and partner companies in dredging work. People's development has nothing to do with it. Only DMK's monetory development based on sheer amount expected in kickbacks and bribes at various stages easily to tune of more than 500 crores fool.
RE:Death to Karunanidhi
by Pritish Nagaraj on Sep 26, 2007 07:13 PM Permalink
NDA approved the project at the behest of Karunanidhi, the then NDA partner. Not this alignment though.
RE:RE:Death to Karunanidhi
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 07:15 PM Permalink
pritish,please go through this site for all the details about the project. dont talk with an imaginary assumption. check out the facts and make a decision.
RE:Karunanidhi, prove this you son of ???
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 06:51 PM Permalink
The atrocious casteist brahminism that had crept into hinduism through centuries of manipulations by one class that used brahminical arguments to suffocate and subjugate a majority of the people was defeated and hinduism was saved. the revolutionary movement of periyar was kept alive by the unparaleled leadership of karunanidhi. were it not for that movement,vast numbers of so called lower castes would still not have been allowed into temples and would have joined other religions in bigger numbers. periyar,annadurai and karunanidhi are the saviours of hinduism.
RE:Karunanidhi, prove this you son of ???
by Vikas Bhatt on Sep 26, 2007 07:49 PM Permalink
Hahahaha. With 70 percent reservations how can Brahmins be still dictating caste politics in TN is beyond me. Brahmins are a minority in TN and more caste politics is happening on account of the elite and richer OBCs [Oh the irony], for example the vaniyaar class. But Dinesh Kumar will never see it. He will only see Brahmins from 200 years history, largely undocumented and at best a figment of his imagination fed by his hero Karuna who fattens his purse at the expense of his equally blind and myopic followers.
RE:Karunanidhi, prove this you son of ???
by randomrantings on Sep 26, 2007 07:00 PM Permalink
by randomrantings on Sep 26, 2007 06:59 PM Hey, don't forget Rajaji (a brahmin, by the way) was a staunch supporter of temple entry for all castes and passed pioneering legislation in this regard.
RE:Karunanidhi, prove this you son of ???
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 07:10 PM Permalink
i am in no way belittling rajaji or bharatiar. the rationalist movement was spearheaded by periyar and its legacy was inherited by karunanidhi.
RE:Challenge to Karunanidhi
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 06:52 PM Permalink
dr karunanidhi and his leader periyar saved hinduism by achieving the entry of so called lower caste people into temples. they were not allowed into temples until 1940.
RE:Challenge to Karunanidhi
by randomrantings on Sep 26, 2007 07:02 PM Permalink
Hey, don't forget Rajaji (a brahmin, by the way) was a staunch supporter of temple entry for all castes and passed pioneering legislation in this regard.
I belive in Hinduism because it teaches me the LAW OF KARMA. It teaches me that I am responsible for what I have done and I suffer for what wrong I have done. This religion does not teach me to hate or kill people of other religion because their belief differs from mine. Ofcourse, there were no religions existing even this religion came in to existence. Regarding the castes in the religion, most of these are created by humans. Human beings are not perfect and all religions have good and bad people. Such things are always created by people for their own benifits.
When the people of Tamil Nadu learn to think for themselves (and not like a frenzied herd), they would then know the hypocrisy of their "Dravidan" leaders...
There are some other lower order creatures who are intent on conversion, and who try to question the values of the Vedic culture... To all such filths, there is only one statement - Do not try to clean others when your full body is in mud...
RE:DMK are pseudo secularists...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 06:43 PM Permalink
the pronouncements of seshadri reflect an unease with democracy. he would rather have authoritarianism which would prolong the atrocious brahminical order whichrobbed millions of people of their potential.
RE:DMK are pseudo secularists...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 06:53 PM Permalink
his comment was made necessary because rama was dragged into politics and into a court. he was voted to bring development and generate jobs. when governance and development is being stopped by faith,the chief minister performed his duty by questioning whether rama was real or imaginary. the guilty party for this whole situatio are the people who took this matter to court. see this site for details about the project.
RE:RE:DMK are pseudo secularists...
by Krishna swamy on Sep 26, 2007 07:19 PM Permalink
you know one thing Dinesh, When somebody cheats innocent people it is equal to cheating GOD.
Those innocent people voted this Karuna and Jaya many times, thinking they will do this time, this time...
I think it is time to change the DNA of politics in INDIA and a change should come like Ayutha Elzuthu.
RE:DMK are pseudo secularists...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
krishnaswamy,im sorry if my excitement got the better of me earlier. the dmk does not have any case of corruption pending in any court of law. there was never any loss of life in any movement organised by the dmk. people will point to the madurai episode,but it was not organised officially by the dmk. in a country where we have leaders who instigate riots and engagein corruption of thousands of crores,the dmk has an excellent record. jayalalitha has a record of a strong administrator. vijayakanth has a clean image. vote forwhoever u find will serve the state better. but credit has to be given to the dmk and its achievements,especially consistent espousal of the principles of social justice.
RE:DMK are pseudo secularists...
by Seshadri on Sep 26, 2007 07:26 PM Permalink
Dinesh, when there are viable alternatives available why does not the DMK govt. look into it?
Why does it insist on dredging and thus destroying the belief's of many?
RE:RE:DMK are pseudo secularists...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 07:44 PM Permalink
seshadri,i have the highest respect for brahmins and think that they are exceptional people. this is where people also make a mistake about periyar. the fight was against brahminism. the injustice had crept into the system through centuries of neglect. it neede periyar to violently shakeup the system and get rid of all the rot.
RE:RE:DMK are pseudo secularists...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 07:47 PM Permalink
seshadri,reservationis mandated by the constitution and is being implemented by democratically elected governments. the ncbc site contains all clarifications about creamy layer and reservation for poor people.
RE:DMK are pseudo secularists...
by Seshadri on Sep 26, 2007 07:49 PM Permalink
Do you know that B R Ambedkar had meant the reservation to be dismantled after a period of, say, a decade?
RE:RE:DMK are pseudo secularists...
by Seshadri on Sep 26, 2007 07:37 PM Permalink
Also Dinesh, in all you posts, I find that there runs a line of hatred towards Brahmins...
You speak as if Brahmins are the destroyers of progress and development and portray them as aggressors... Utter rubbish!!!
While there might had been certain elements which have, during the course of societal growth, led to a certain section being suppressed, it does not say the the Brahmins are responsible... What you say is what the erstwhile British Raj wanted the masses to say...
By the reservationist policies, is the present govt. not doing the folly of suppression, thus repeating history? I agree that you have to bring about social equality, but not by tyranny... which again begets tyranny!
RE:RE:DMK are pseudo secularists...
by Seshadri on Sep 26, 2007 07:52 PM Permalink
The cause of ramasamy was grossly done, violently implemented and spewed hatred... social justice cannot be brought by this sort of movement...
Moreover, this is still continuing and is damaging the intellect and morals of many a mind...
RE:RE:DMK are pseudo secularists...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 06:54 PM Permalink
it is because of educated apes like u that conversions are still taking place in india today.
RE:DMK are pseudo secularists...
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 07:11 PM Permalink
out of all the alignments,the present alignment was selected and approved by vijay goel,arun jaitley,uma bharti,suresh prabhu and shatrugan sinha. when u see their signatures giving approval,u will realise the magnitude of ur folly. the bjp dragged rama into politics. which clever person took this matter to a court of law. when the court asks for the opinion of the asi,what else can the asi reply? the fact is that there is no evidence that can be accepted in a court of law.
real Hinduism as practised by Dravidians like Periyar, Annadurai, Karunanidhi etc give permission for more than 1 wive ? How come they have a similar rule to Islam. Strange
RE:Does
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 06:49 PM Permalink
people of ur ilk are talented in raising diversionary and inconsequential questions. left to people like u,hinduism would have been reduced to a minority. the revolution of periyar,annadurai and karunanidhi allowed the lower castes to reclaim their pride,prestige and glory. without the revolution,a majority of these communities would have converted to other religions. the fierce opposition that was overcome by periyar to achieve entry into temples of the lower castes is being witnessed these days in the misguided fanaticism being displayed against karunanidhi. people like u delight in imperfections existing today and point it out with vehemence. small minds cannot grasp the significance of the achievements made since the 40 s. there is more to be done,but with mindses like urs engaging in propaganda,we need more periyars and karunanidhis in the future.
Periyar himself belonged to a landed classes i never heard him heaping abuse on his own caste LOL, once again you harp on temple entry. Not a single loss of life was lost because Periyar was influenced by Gandhi and Brahmins should thank god for that else Periyars and his followers would have butchered Brahmins. As far as I know Brahmins had very little power apart from being able to read and write Sanskrit and some mathematical knowledge. There are very few prominent Brahmins even in Mahabharata and Ramayana and they are penniless and beg to make a living. Periyar's ideology is as bad as Hitler,Sinhalese ideology, Hutu leaders ideology which led to massacre of Tutsis in Rwanda. The only thing diffrent was Periyar was influenced by Gandhi. The whole point of Periyars ideology was to find a scapegoat and blame them, their intention was not to rid Hinduism of casteism. Even today Hindus in TN marry among same caste and I heard even converted Christians look for match with those who have converted from the same caste. There are more inter-caste marriages in North India and that will rid Hinduism of casteism, not this brand of rationalism.
RE:lol
by dinesh kumar on Sep 26, 2007 06:40 PM Permalink
hitler killed 60 lakh jews. the hutus killed 10 lakh tutsis. this pervert'tamil baiter' is engaging in malicious propaganda against periyar who helped hinduism rid itself from the scourges of casteism which had crept into the system by the connivance between the landed class and the brahmins. perverts like him will go to any lengths to defame a revolution which was achieved by the power of the pen.
RE:lol
by Tamil Baiter on Sep 26, 2007 07:33 PM Permalink
was'nt periyar influenced by Gandhiji and wasn't periyars rationalism centered on brahmin bashing. Just one sample "if you see a brahmin and a snake, kill the brahmin first as a brahmin is more poisonous than the snake" so much for rationalism.
