there is a long standing and fairly widespread nexus between indian political parties and killer enterprises such as drug trade, gun trade murderer-for-hire etc only for the reason that political parties need money to fight elections. indian democray is working against the interests of indian people. dawood was a trusted buddy of sharad pawar, eg. political murders are not uncommon in india.
RE:indian democracy - a criminal enterprise
by cynic on Sep 24, 2007 09:43 PM Permalink
in fact that link was alluded to in film 'Company', that home minister was modelled on Sharad Pawar.
RE:indian democracy - a criminal enterprise
by cynic on Sep 24, 2007 10:40 PM Permalink
I will cut your legs, then your arms, I will put your hair one by one, I will pull out your eyes your Aryan swine, you Aryan animal, your evil Aryan, you Aryan sub species. Be ready and waiting. I have the blessings of LORD KARUNANIDHI himself. Say no more you pig.
Friends, I think the fears of tamilnadu's secession area serious concern. But Kashmir is so different from Tamilnadu. Tamilnadu and its people do not or never have harbored any dreams of world hegemony like the Islamists whose only goal is to capture, convert or create an Islamic State in previously non-muslim lands. Tamils are Indian and an overwhelming majority of them are very mature and patriotic people. They are not for independence from India. Only a tiny minority has such a fanciful idea. It is true that the DMK types are always into this secession idea, but the people are not with him, even though they might elect the DMK to power.
There is no such as a Tamil Jehad ideology or a Tamil supremacist ideology. Most Tamilians has never claimed Tamil to be a superior language. Tamil is as good as any language in India.I know several persons would like to dub Tamil as an inferior language and that is where we find that the charge of Tamil supremacy claims does not hold water. Tamils like me respect Kannada, Hindi and all other languages. I do this by trying to speak their language. Tamilnadu will never secede from India. Indians like me will if required prevent this from happening at any cost. The Indian Union stays instact. It is Islam that we have to fight.
RE:RE:Tamilnadu will not secede
by Tamil Nadu on Sep 24, 2007 10:45 PM Permalink
Try to get your facts straight before making wild allegations.
1. The british unified the current nation state of India and this feeling of "national unity" is just that "a feeling". Even separate nations in Eurpoe don't kill neighbors over river sharing disputes now. India as a single entity is good for trade and defense, but it is good for each ethnic group to maintain its own identity. Tamils retaining their own culture and language is not a threat to India, but should be seen as the example for the future for all ethnic groups of the sub continent.
2. The Tamils seeking a separate state in Ceylon/Sri Lanka did not move there from the south of the Indian subcontinent. The south eastern part of India and the North Eastern part of Ceylon/Sri Lanka have been Tamil Homelands for unknown periods of time. When the British colonized India and Ceylon and then gave these countries independence, the Tamils in India got a state, the Tamils in Ceylon didn't get that even. They tried to coexist with the Sinhalese majority but were brutally attacked and that resulted in the call for a separate nation called Tamil Eelam.
3. The IPKF sent by Rajiv did not help the Tamils. It was sent to destroy the LTTE and bring Sri Lanka directly under Indian influence.
4. The clash between Karunanidhi and the VHP/other Hindu outfits is not a Tamil vs Non-Tamil issue. Traditional Hinduism annexed a bunch of other religions to bolster its numbers. These annexed religions do not recognize Ram.
RE:RE:Tamilnadu will not secede
by B P on Sep 24, 2007 08:58 PM Permalink
Unity in diversity is beuty of India. Diversity gives our countries different colors, cultures, arts which in turns brings new heights for India. No common man claims that his ciltures is better then others, no muslims, no tamil, no cristian. All bad things are propageted by people of ill will, who wants to live lavish life on people's money, Karunanidhi is among one of them. People like karunanidhi is every where in each religion. Common man needs to identify these kind of people and discourage then by not favouring them, not giving vote to their parties, other wise kind of people makes a common mans life troublesome for many generations, we the example of Kashmir, Pakistan, Bangadesh, Philistine, Uganda, LTTE and many more.
RE:RE:Looks like
by cynic on Sep 24, 2007 09:41 PM Permalink
DMK had a hand in the murder of Rajiv Gandhi. They gave logistic and moral support to LTTE.
RE:Looks like
by Rationalist on Sep 24, 2007 09:44 PM Permalink
cynic if we want to talk with me on this we can have a detailed discussion. Btw are you mgr fan ?
RE:Looks like
by cynic on Sep 24, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
nope am not MGR Fan, and also I agree that Brahmins dominated bureaucracy during British rule and so had middle-class jobs, apart from that I have no more points of view in common with you.
RE:Looks like
by Rationalist on Sep 24, 2007 09:52 PM Permalink
Maybe you don't share my viewpoint. But that doesn't mean you can't cook up your own stories
RE:RE:Looks like
by cynic on Sep 24, 2007 10:07 PM Permalink
well I am cynic coz i know nothing good will come out from India and am cynical about it. I am truly a cynic. But you are not a rationalist and ie for sure. You look at things only from LTTE or Tamilian view point. YOu gotta look at Sri Lankan history for 1000s of years before current events. The fact is Sri Lankan Tamils were a pain in the as* for Sinhalese for hundreds of years. You don't wanna solve the issue, you want a competitive victory, you run on emotions and you think only Tamilians have the right to use violence.
RE:Looks like
by Rationalist on Sep 24, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
What right did he gave to sign the peace accord on behalf of the Srilankan Tamils . Did you know what heinous crimes Ipkf was involved in Lanka. Indian soldiers plundered the Tamils's homes . They outraged the modesty of many Tamil women. So rajiv had to pay the price
RE:Looks like
by prasanna prasanna on Sep 24, 2007 07:26 PM Permalink
LTTE manufactured aircraft itself. PMK and DMK are pro LTTE. and they support LTTE for to win th vote bank like reservation, look if kasmir gets freedom tamilnadu will be the next to fight.
RE:Looks like
by Rationalist on Sep 24, 2007 07:34 PM Permalink
This is a joke. Junk head how could they have manufactured aircrafts. If they have one aircraft in their possession it doesn't mean they can manufacture. Get the facts right. It shows you know nothing
RE:Looks like
by vijai murugan on Sep 24, 2007 08:12 PM Permalink
that aircraft was dismantled,brought to vanni region in bits and pieces and reassembled by LTTE engineers.
RE:Looks like
by prasanna prasanna on Sep 24, 2007 08:13 PM Permalink
i think LTTE attacked srilanka by air, do u think that is done by someone else? or IAF did that? read about Prabhakraran son biodata .. so these LTTE supporters like u never come out from joke. LOL
RE:RE:Looks like
by Rationalist on Sep 24, 2007 09:55 PM Permalink
You go ask a new born baby the same thing. Will answer your question . What an asinine analogy
RE:Looks like
by cynic on Sep 24, 2007 09:59 PM Permalink
yeah well VHP does not represent Hinduism he he what a stupid question by Old monk. I just replaced one asinine question with my own.
RE:Looks like
by cynic on Sep 24, 2007 10:36 PM Permalink
living in the past does not help anybody. Muslim kings have committed innumerable number of atrocities against Hindus. So do you want Hindus to kill Muslims today ? If LTTE adoption of violence policy is ok to you, why is not BJP. And by the way LTTE has killed Rajiv Gandhi an Indian, so that should be end of story they are enemies of India. If you still harbour sympathy for them then there is no diffrence between Pakistan sponsoring terrorism and your thoughts. In Pakistans case it is religion and in your case it is language.
RE:Looks like
by Rationalist on Sep 24, 2007 11:01 PM Permalink
I don't understand the usage of the term black and white in this context. I am not here to support LTTE. And I have wide knowledge in this subject. I don't blame the sinhalese community as whole. There are racist elements in any community. Sadly these elements alone are responsible for the present situation. Karunanidhi never supports LTTE. He and a host of other tamil leaders express their solidarity for the sufferings of the Tamils. do you know how many people have been displaced. The lucky ones get to fly to foreign countries . But the poor ones do not have any choice. There has been immense loss of life and property. Here I give you the link for Black July . If you are still not moved you are no human And btw Tulf also fights for a seperate country. http://www.tamilnation.org/indictment/genocide83/index.htm
RE:Looks like
by cynic on Sep 24, 2007 10:51 PM Permalink
LTTE is not the only party fighting for Tamils, there are other parties too like TULF, i have never seen DMK/PMK even making an attempt to have some talks with TULF. They seem to have bought into the idea that LTTE is the sole representative of Tamils in Sri Lanka. Discrimination existed ie for sure, but I definitely dont believe Sinhalese are the only people to blame. You are making up the issue in black and white. Humans are gray. If you believe in any issue in black and white you shoudl also believe in mythology.
RE:Looks like
by Rationalist on Sep 24, 2007 10:28 PM Permalink
See you have said Tamils were pain in the ass for Sinhalese. first understand how the system was before Srilanka got independence. there were essentially two kingdoms tamil kingdom in the north and east and sinhalese kingdom down south. But when the foreigners left they gave the power to the columbo based sinhalese group. Things were moving well for quite some time. Tamil and Sinhalese were the official languages. But afterwards Tamil was stripped of ist official status. And tamil youth were discriminated when it came to gaining admission to colleges or job opportunities.They were never allowed in services (I mean the armed forces) or the police forces. The taml bore the brunt. Now comes the state sponsored terrorism. A group of tamil people had gathered to protest against the racist policy of the Sinhalese govt. They were beaten up and many people lost their lives. Soon the govt retaliated with the most cruel state sponsored genocide ever. Black July
RE:Looks like
by Rationalist on Sep 24, 2007 10:43 PM Permalink
you still don't understand do you ?I am not here to support LTTE. I am here just to present facts. Many people have a skewed notion that Tamils are violent people and they are the cause for the war in Srilanka. The discrimination continues to this day. Are Muslims treated as second class citizens in India? Come on tell me . Nobody bars any Muslim from joining the army or police. I don't which state you are from. But say you are from Maharastra and your mother tongue is Marathi and say the Indian govt passes a law that only people whose mother tongue is Hindi will be allowed to join army , police will you keep quiet? do you know recently the Srilankan govt asked tamils to move out of colombo . How is this justified ?
RE:RE:its not south indian hide outs
by ig on Sep 24, 2007 10:05 PM Permalink
Hey Prasanna, just watch your mouth, dude. Surely you imply that TN is not a peace-loving state. Look at the inflammed passions over water that makes riots erupt in mostly karnataka. There is hardly a whimper in TN or hardly any retributions. Just because some Kannadiga goons attack Tamilians in Karnataka DOES NOT MAKE karnataka a violent state. Mind your language and please stop baiting Tamils and Tamilians like this. Tamilians fomening hatred or jingoism in the name of Tamil or Dravidianism are in a tiny minority, but even these people do not claim to be supremacists. Let us stay United, Prasanna. I am as much a Kannadiga as you are, even tho my mother-tongue is Tamil. I strongly feel that Cauvery waters need not be released to TN. TN should learn to take water they get that flows naturally. I have spread this message to many Tamils regarding the same. I feel that TN people ought to be totally non-violent in the water issue and even find their own resources. I think self-esteem is more important.
RE:its not south indian hide outs
by Rationalist on Sep 24, 2007 07:32 PM Permalink
For your kind information last time arms were seized it was routed through Chennai from Andhra Pradesh. Ltte have found friends in the naxalites
RE:its not south indian hide outs
by Prakash Gomathinayagam on Sep 24, 2007 09:41 PM Permalink
That is why he said "South India". fyi., south India includes Andhra and Tamil nadu.
I write some sensible message, And it get removed. This subsidy issue needs to be discussed with maturity. Removing post will not help center-state relationship issues
There are drug smugglers in punjab that get drugs from pakistan. This doesnot mean that north Indians are traitors or smugglers.
There may be some arms dealers in south India. These must be caught by police because they are selling arms. Today they are selling arms to LTTE tommarroy they can sell to Maoists or Islamic terrorists.
The majority of South Indian population is PATRIOTIC like any other part of India and we should just kick out the criminals and smugglers.
I will request all like minded people to stop fighting. Today Tamil nadu , yesterday it was Punjab /Assam/ Kashmir Tomorrow who knows Orissa people start saying, India is looting our mineral resources & we are getting nothing( which is true to some extend)
The point is each state should have more powers to grow economically, so that a competition should happen , that will make the India stronger & economic super power The centre- state relationship /power can be based in UK , US model
What is happening now is major chunk of hard earned cash goes to UP & Bihar for subsidy. That%u2019s makes other state people cry.
RE:Common Guys, Start now
by Old Monk on Sep 24, 2007 08:16 PM Permalink
Alquida issues Fatwas for murder and so does VHP ! What's the difference between them ?
RE:Common Guys, Start now
by cynic on Sep 24, 2007 09:41 PM Permalink
DMK say no Ram and Islamic terrorists say no Ram so what is the diffrence between them?
