the Human Condition on the planet is still epitomized by malice and sorrow as exemplified by all the wars, murders, rapes, domestic violence, corruption, sadness, depression and suicide. Malice and sorrow are the direct result of a genetically-encoded instinctual survival program located in the primitive animal brain in the human animal and that it is this ancient genetically-encoded program that gives rise to the animal instinctual passions of fear, aggression, nurture and desire that are so evident in human beings.
RE:Malice
by Seshadri on Sep 24, 2007 03:43 PM Permalink
Hi JGN, the idea of atheism would not be appreciated by the majority of the DK/DMK cadres as they are only against "the mythical Aryans"... and hence they would continue with Shaivism while engaging in vandalism with other beliefs of the Vedic culture...
Though they may look for succour from your words, it would be only to twist it to thier selfish gains...
But as to your remarks on the human mind, our scriptures have aptly dealt with this and it is upto us to enlighten the mind...
RE:Malice
by JGN on Sep 24, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
Dear Seshadri, An enlightened mind should not harbour hatred for others, especially on the basis of Caste, creed, colour or religion. Now people have become more religious and intolerent than thinking rationally.
I was at Coimbatore for about a week during May this year. Due to some procession (festival in a Mariamman Kovil), I could not go to the travel agent's office. Even my driver told that these sort of processions started during the last ten years or so only. It is high time that we all put in our best efforts to eradicate superstitions (if somebody want to believe in god, let him keep to himself and his family only).
RE:Malice
by csoupramanien on Sep 24, 2007 03:25 PM Permalink
fantastic Mr JGN hats off 2 u ................. come on divisive forces, can anyone challenge this man?
RE:RE:Malice
by Sanjeev on Sep 24, 2007 03:34 PM Permalink
All this is written in a detailed manner tousands of years back in Srimad Bhagavad - As the onset of Kali.
C'mon dont blabber - Read what our forefathers have written
The same Ram along with Sita and Lakshman protected Madhurandhagam bank (Yeri Kaatha Ramar) and gave darshan to Sir Leonald Place (or was it Lionel), a British collector who found new respect for all Pegan religion. The same Ram is happily watching Atheists making a mockery of him silently.
RE:what u will do?
by csoupramanien on Sep 24, 2007 03:19 PM Permalink
lot of old temples were destroyed in Gujarat Quake...do u wanna take action against nature?
RE:what u will do?
by ajay khanna on Sep 24, 2007 03:56 PM Permalink
IF MK SAYS ANY THING ABOUT ISLAM AND CHRIST,CONGRESS WILL COME IN FRONT AND WILL ABUSE HIM, BUT WE HINDUS DO NOT CARE ABOUT DOG BARKINGS, LIKE MK
RE:what u will do?
by JGN on Sep 24, 2007 03:19 PM Permalink
Yes, the correct thing to do is to raze all places of whorship to ground and build educational institutions, hospitals, shopping malls, etc which are useful to all in their place. Also subsidised housing for the poor (irrespective of caste or religion) can be provided
RE:what u will do?
by Sanjeev on Sep 24, 2007 03:29 PM Permalink
Thank the idea of JGN which recommends racing:
1. Places of worship 2. Bars and discotheques 3. Brothels 4. Finance companies 5. Your home (Will you not donate to build a hospital) 6. JGN's home (same reason)
RE:RE:what u will do?
by JGN on Sep 24, 2007 03:52 PM Permalink
Mr.Sanjeev, It may not be possible to raze the places of worships in the near future, but we can still enlighten people about the futility of the so-called holy books and religions (and corresponding gods, prophets, etc).
As for the other points mentioned by you, they are just your imaginations. Btw, I will donate to the best of my ability for building a hospital or school. No doubt about it.
there were schools, ran by temple priests in tamilnadu's big temple campuses............in ancient times..........there are some sidha medical centres running in old temples till now...... do u wanna challenge that history?
RE:what u will do?
by csoupramanien on Sep 24, 2007 03:30 PM Permalink
Mr abinav grow up man...don't live in RAM era. now we don't want RAM...........povertyless society ..developement of india
RE:RE:RE:what u will do?
by JGN on Sep 24, 2007 03:27 PM Permalink
Dear Abhinav, I am not in favour of targetting one group selectively. Though what Mr. MK said is a bitter truth, the way in which he said the same is not appreciable. Being the CM of a State, he should have considered the sentiments of a large section of the population.
RE:We never forget what we watched LIVE on Gujarat Carnage. Our duty is to protect the divided poor people who are the victims of the cultureless organisation. Read: www.geocities.com/kksahadevan/
by sangineersha on Sep 24, 2007 03:15 PM Permalink
DEAR KKS, What happened in GHODRA train carnage and aftermath of that is a chain of events trigerred one after the other in logical sequence. So don't mixup issues. At present what Karunanidhi has done is totally condemnable and one should not be acting as follower but give his unbiased opinion on that.
RE:RE:RE:We never forget what we watched LIVE on Gujarat Carnage. Our duty is to protect the divided poor people who are the victims of the cultureless organisation. Read: www.geocities.com/kksahadevan/
by sangineersha on Sep 24, 2007 03:17 PM Permalink
DEAR KKS, What happened in GHODRA train carnage and aftermath of that is a chain of events trigerred one after the other in logical sequence. So don't mixup issues. At present what Karunanidhi has done is totally condemnable and one should not be acting as follower but give his unbiased opinion on that.
RE:Religious Animals
by JGN on Sep 24, 2007 03:22 PM Permalink
the Human Condition on the planet is still epitomized by malice and sorrow as exemplified by all the wars, murders, rapes, domestic violence, corruption, sadness, depression and suicide. Malice and sorrow are the direct result of a genetically-encoded instinctual survival program located in the primitive animal brain in the human animal and that it is this ancient genetically-encoded program that gives rise to the animal instinctual passions of fear, aggression, nurture and desire that are so evident in human beings.
During those periods, there were no casteism. Manu had divuded the Universe into four parts as listed below :
1. Brahmin : Who use to give the Knowledge ? 2. Shatriya : Who use to do war ? 3. Vaishya : Who use to do the Business ? 4. Schudera : Who use to do the physical work of any form ? Men was defined by their action during those days. A person borned in Brahmin family started doing physical job, will not called Brahmin, he will be called Schudera. This was a basis practice at that time. Now a days, the whole context is changed and selfish analysiation has been given to the society by the politicians for fulfilling their selfish interest for vote bank politics only. New definations has been created.
RE:CASTESIM
by rajesh on Sep 24, 2007 03:19 PM Permalink
GThere were no caste systems in the Rmayana period - if we closely look at it people were respected and revered for their knowledge and achievements only rather than any mention of the caste - e.g. Sage Valmiki was not a Brahmin but revered by Brahmins as well. Lord Rama was a Khatriya, Krishna was a Yadav, Sage Vishwamithra and Sage Vasishta, the most revered sages were the ones who educated Rama and gave him the most powerful weapons to him. The society was having four wings to carry out specific tasks : 1. Brahimns - Education, Havana etc. and carry out intellectual works. 2. Vaishyas : Cater to the demand and Supply requiremtns of the soceity - (business) 3. Kshatriyas : Provide Protection to the nation. 4. Shudras : Carry out the Physical works - labour etc. which are essential for the survival of any soceity. all the four wings needed and depeneded on each other and had mutual respects. there were no restrictions nor untouchability durint those days. the very fact that sage Vishwamithra was a King (Kshatriya) and became became a brahmin after Tapasya itself proves that brahminism was not by birth but a qualification or achievement. Later on this system must have brought about a change in the soceity which developed the ugly caste system. The present day politicians have made the best (?) use of this caste system to divide the society and (mis)rule.. And Self serving people like Karunanidhi further divided the society with Dravidian and Aryan theories...
RE:CASTESIM
by Seshadri on Sep 24, 2007 03:47 PM Permalink
you are right rajesh, the vedas dont preach discrimination among humans.... they are accorded honour according to their deeds...
it is the perverted minds of the selfish (like karunanidhi) who have managed to divert the masses...
RE:CASTESIM
by sangineersha on Sep 24, 2007 02:57 PM Permalink
Very correct. Everyone is mislead by these politician for the good of their own cause. They r never bothered about the welfare of the soceity for that an Individual has to make his own effort and it is only fools who feels that their leader is responsible for that. Anybody who follows the leader blindly is definitely a DALIT even if he belongs to upper caster by birth and vice versa.
RE:CASTESIM
by Mohammed Islamul on Sep 24, 2007 03:02 PM Permalink
Of course, there were some issues with hinduism, because generally low caste people didnt keep themselves clean, ate meat, these categorisations were made.. especially because such people shouldnt enter temples after they ate meat. its a very genuine thing...
even i wouldnt let a begger enter into my house if he/she was not clean...
i think over the years, such things have become castes and the new age politicians started using it to their convenience.
RE:CASTESIM
by csoupramanien on Sep 24, 2007 03:16 PM Permalink
talking about caste and religion is useless. GOD is in compassionate love but neither in divisive forces' ideology nor in epics and stories.
RE:CASTESIM
by sangineersha on Sep 24, 2007 03:23 PM Permalink
Dear, for that u have to sit with still mind, do meditation and than the inner journey will take you to those places u have read in books and than u will realise or have glimpse of what one mean by RAM, Vivekanand , Krishna etc. U first do ur homework before commenting in this way.
RE:RE:TN is peaceful
by New face on Sep 24, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
People in Tamilnadu are used to this style of working of His Highness Karinanidhi. Normally he used to make Fun of Hindus. But, this time, as he is a big partner in Central Government, he thought himself as equal to God that he made fun of god by questioning his excistence.
He will never dare to talk ill about any gods. If he had spoken by this time, he would have been dead. He knows that. He will talk only about Hindus.
Hindus in Tamilnadu are a divided lot. He has brainwashed people based on castes / Aryan / Dravidian / OB / BC etc. He knows Hindus won't stand united and hence, he Hindu Hater is enjoying the fruits.
RE:Who have the right to issue FATWA!
by sangineersha on Sep 24, 2007 02:54 PM Permalink
Instead of talking about fatwa, talk about misconduct of KARUNANIDHI first. Show that u r grown up first.
RE:Who have the right to issue FATWA!
by csoupramanien on Sep 24, 2007 02:57 PM Permalink
divisive forces are talking a lot for politics........when a leader condemn that in his style why r u not accepting?
RE:RE:Who have the right to issue FATWA!
by sangineersha on Sep 24, 2007 03:00 PM Permalink
I am ready to accept if I am talking one to one of in a small group. BUT for a mass Leader that too in a capacity of CM Karunanidhi is totally condemnable and persons like u should not blindly justify and should have the guts to condemn his leader if he behaves wrongly, which is the present case. SO BE A MAN and accept the fault.
RE:RE:RE:Who have the right to issue FATWA!
by Mohammed Islamul on Sep 24, 2007 03:11 PM Permalink
karunanidhi is first of all not a good person. period.
the clan around him is all from rogue gangs. arcot veerasamy, ramadoss, thirumavalavan, pattali gang, anbumani, congres krishnaswamy whose daughter is anbumani's wife, and any other DMK porukki. so dont expect them to do anything nice.
DEAR divisive forces hinduism is not only your household thing. before behaving like that read VIVEKANANDA, AUROBINDO, PERIYAR EVR, BHARATI, ADISANKARA AND OUR FOUR VEDAS RIK, YASUR, SAMA AND ADHARVANA. No written statement of what hinduism is? how it is? all those teachings are about welfare of the society to live in harmony unlike spreading hatredness. but this very sad that our own religion and charactors of our old stories are taken into politics to make those great epics shame? Tamil community will not welcome u. u r not not invited here. if u continue to behave like this, oneday the so called hindus will turn against u. history teach the same. CAUTION
RE:DEAR DIVISIVE FORCES.................READ VIVEKANAND, AUROBINDO..................
by Vishwamithran TKB on Sep 24, 2007 03:06 PM Permalink
Don't include the name of Periyaaar along with the group. His name should come along with Lohia, Lallu, Paswan etc.
RE:DEAR DIVISIVE FORCES.................READ VIVEKANAND, AUROBINDO..................
by csoupramanien on Sep 24, 2007 03:10 PM Permalink
ok talk about bharati who is born brahmin glorifying equality
RE:DEAR DIVISIVE FORCES.................READ VIVEKANAND, AUROBINDO..................
by sangineersha on Sep 24, 2007 02:50 PM Permalink
FIRSTLY u should be SHAMEFUL for not condemning Karunanidhi about his outbursts against Sri RAMA. He will be taught a lesson don,t worry about that . U worry about urself because Karunanidhi is a politician and he will shift his side very swiftly leaving fools like u without any face to show and nowhere to go. SO U BE CAUTIONED !!!!!!!
RE:DEAR DIVISIVE FORCES.................READ VIVEKANAND, AUROBINDO..................
by csoupramanien on Sep 24, 2007 02:54 PM Permalink
now nation need developement in all sectors........not religion. u people ended with RAM. Why don't u read vivekananda?
RE:DEAR DIVISIVE FORCES.................READ VIVEKANAND, AUROBINDO..................
by Sanjeev on Sep 24, 2007 03:01 PM Permalink
OK Lets talk about Development - A news item says textile factories in Tiruppur has made thousands jobless due to rising Rupee. What is your suggestion for curtailing Rupee?
RE:DEAR DIVISIVE FORCES.................READ VIVEKANAND, AUROBINDO..................
by csoupramanien on Sep 24, 2007 03:04 PM Permalink
good....ur question is passed to FM chidambaram's inbox as that is his area to do.
RE:DEAR DIVISIVE FORCES.................READ VIVEKANAND, AUROBINDO..................
by Sanjeev on Sep 24, 2007 03:14 PM Permalink
So this Unlawful conduct of K is in your inbox.
RE:DEAR DIVISIVE FORCES.................READ VIVEKANAND, AUROBINDO..................
by sangineersha on Sep 24, 2007 03:02 PM Permalink
DON't be a fool. All this lead to a common summit. Focus urself in the misconduct of Karunanidhi and accept the fault commited by him.
RE:DEAR DIVISIVE FORCES.................READ VIVEKANAND, AUROBINDO..................
by csoupramanien on Sep 24, 2007 03:08 PM Permalink
when any one fight that the part of ur home is belongs to someone who is in stories, will u reward him or what?
RE:DEAR DIVISIVE FORCES.................READ VIVEKANAND, AUROBINDO..................
by csoupramanien on Sep 24, 2007 03:14 PM Permalink
GOD is in compassionate love. not in BJP's ideology.
