Somebody putting the messages as abuse. I think only abusive language can be used in rediff it looks like.
Anyway, Thambi anne, I am a Hindu. By definition, Hindu is someone who believes that there are multiple ways in which one can reach god or salvation. In my village, I will pray to Esakiyamman. I will go to Siva temple also. I will go to Krishna temple also in city.
It does not matter which god or which path you take to attain salvation as far as we dont hurt others.
Ok Ram is dark so how come he is aryan. Acoording to definition of Max Mueller, he shud be a dravidian. So did aryans later added Rama as black so that they can worship a black god.
RE:RE:To Thambi
by true tamilan on Sep 22, 2007 05:16 AM Permalink
Do we prefer black or white in tamilnadu? Why be a hypocrite and balme north indians. Look at ourselves first. Whole world is like that.
RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 05:34 AM Permalink
not the same reason as why you are being a slave of your own slavish insecurities. You know what, it just occured to me. You are a "mental shudra", aren't you ? Does this help with your identity crisis ?
RE:RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 06:03 AM Permalink
Jay, Keep all your sanskrit caste philosphies with you. we don't need it and there is no need for you to justify that to us. we already said 'no thanks' to your caste system and you are trying to explain that to us.
We have better philosphies in our Tamil literatures Thirukkural and Aathi soodi.
RE:RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 05:40 AM Permalink
your words come from the belief in caste system. we will break the so called monkey made bridge. just watch
RE:RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 05:57 AM Permalink
you don't understand the caste system. Forget what the selfish brahmins had everyone practising. Ok ? Thats not real caste system. It's adulterated by the selfish desires of exploitation and greedyness, thoughtlessness and cruelty of majority of upper class people.
I am talking about real caste system. The way it's been described in the vedanta and upanishads. Every man has to go through all the castes to reach the highest when he attains spiritual oneness with GOD. this was the brahmana stage. one who has become one with the BRAHMAND ( universe) is a Brahman. We all are on our way . Try to understand this. By the way I am not belonging to any caste. The indian is my brother and Hindu is my religion. That's all I know. If anyone comes in the way of my country or religion, I wont spare them whether they are brahmanas, kshatiryas, vaisyas and shudras. period. understand you punks ? don't mess with the soldier of Sanatana Dharma.
RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 06:47 AM Permalink
As for me, I am proud to say that I am a Shudra in my body and mind. I am proud of that and refuse to become victimized by my own mind. I will continue to fight and strive to better myself, but I will still be glad to die as one also. No problem here. You got it, Thambi my dear misguided Thambi ?
RE:To Thambi
by Kumar on Sep 22, 2007 06:08 AM Permalink
Asai thanbi is convetred christn may be fundded by some anti natinal movemnets to creat tension in society... DOnt worry... ram/ and krish will take care these useless nonsense...
RE:RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 06:49 AM Permalink
Jay, what is there to be ashamed? AsaiThamby is arguing abt freedom of speech in a Democratic country. he is promoting the value of reasoning. why should there be discrimination in the name of caste?
Karunanidhi asked Advani to debate him on Ram topic. Let the leaders do it and let us watch.
Why is there a death treat? why were Ram Bakthas burning 2 innocents alive? please try to be reasonable guys or change our political system from democracy to dictatorship.
RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 06:32 AM Permalink
sowhat, I had a feeling that you seemed to be a little more reasonable. But you must be ashamed of yourself for playing second fiddle to this fool thambi who obviously needs some serious psychiatric help.
RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 06:15 AM Permalink
Kumar, Is this the last weapon of Ram Bhakthas? Doesn't hit anyone though because it doesn't have any meaning.
RE:RE:RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 05:24 AM Permalink
well said Brother. This thamby is a real nut job trying to divide our religion and country by his senseless insecurities.
RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 05:14 AM Permalink
Ram is Aryan because it said so in Ramayan. His only duty as Kshatriya is to protect Brahmins and cows and to spread polital caste system.
What is Lord Muruga's caste? can you tell me?
Do you have any Tamil or Dravidian literature that promotes so much abt caste? no. because dravidian system was based on 'philosophy of reasoning' whereas Aryan system was all about Varna system.
RE:To Thambi
by true tamilan on Sep 22, 2007 05:22 AM Permalink
What are you talking about?
In Ramayana, when Ram was going on vanavaas. He was helped by a classmate in the boat. He was a tribal king.
Brahmin by defnition is somebody who has realized "Brahman", Oneness or god. Nowhere in any scripture is it written that caste is by birth. In gita, it is clearly written guna(closest english meaning is character) determines the basis for caste division.
RE:RE:RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 05:47 AM Permalink
you idiot thambi, listen. There are 2 aspects. The SHRUTI and the SMRITI. The former is immutable. If you are an ape walking on 2 legs in any corner of this earth ( Which I have serious aspersions in your case) then this body of text of universal principles applies to you. This is common to all Hindus and this says what the meaning of Brahmana etc.. is. The other aspect called SHRUTI is more relevant on the social scene and can and must be modified from time to time based on newly emerging parameters etc.. Here you will find a mention of caste system that was interpreted as heriditary because of the selfish ness of the few in the upper castes. And they exploited the people of lower castes. That's part of human nauture for exploitation, selfishness, personal comfort at the expense of fellow human beings.
Try to get a life and exercise the part of your head that badly requires some discrimination.
RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 06:10 AM Permalink
Dear lowlife Thambi, It seems you have done a fair bit of reading yourself when it suits you while reviling others like me. I have a feeling that you might have been descendent of some upper caste brahmins who got disgracefully ostracised by the community and thus ended up with no caste and that might explain this venomous ire on your part. Put to rest all speculation and tell us all how right I am.
RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 06:25 AM Permalink
let's see the number of times the word 'racist' was used in this discussion and we will see who among is obsessed with racial slavishness.
thamby = 5 krishnan = 0
hahaha , you fool. you give yourself away so easily. You are not fit for any debates. Go back to TN and do a manual dharna. That will fit your mental temperament better.
RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 06:34 AM Permalink
So, if there is lecture on Racism and when the lecturer says the word 'Racist', he becomes racist. That's what u say Mr.Jay? Good logic.
What can we expect from people who believe in monkey made bridge?
RE:RE:RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 06:23 AM Permalink
That's what they are... All these claim abt Ram bridge is to implement caste based political system and to discrimate the poor people as low caste, abuse their work so that they can sit in their home like a lazy ass.
RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 05:57 AM Permalink
Keep the Shruti and Smriti sanskrit beliefs with you...
We have better philosophies in our Thirukural. The problem with you guys is trying to teach us what to do? sorry, we don't need your help. We know how to evolve and prosper. Keep the aryan belief in Aryan land. if you want the monkey made bridge, take it with you.
RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 05:31 AM Permalink
So, what is the Varna system promoted in Ramayan? Why was a great warrior like Karna was disrespected as Sudra in all Mahabarath?
RE:RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 05:40 AM Permalink
every age has its ills. The present age has no ills ? Other countries have no social inequalities ? Is there any time or clime which didn't have some form of social ills, inequlaities, differences, exploitation..
Common now try and stretch that pea brain of yours. I know its hard.
RE:To Thambi
by jay krishnan on Sep 22, 2007 05:22 AM Permalink
kshatriya always protects Brahmana ( one who is a seeker of Brahman or the resplendent self) because a Hero always protects and reveres the holy sages and rishis who spend their lives in austerity and solitude and do the greatest good by guiding the rest of humanity and by living an exemplary life of sacrifice.
That's the meaning of Kshatriya protecting a Brahmana. Any Hindu who has a vira's blood in him is a Kshatriya. And any hindu who is a renouncer of worldly desires and sacrificer of personal comforts for the greater good of others is a Brahmana.
Do you get it now ? It has nothing to do with the selfish politics of insecurity played by low life byproducts like you in TN.
RE:RE:To Thambi
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 05:33 AM Permalink
Buddha was the best know Enlighten one of India. He did not need no protector. Enlighten one don't need protection and they fear nothing. Truth doesn't need protection. That itself say the whole Brahmin/Kshatriya tandem is to fool poor people and impose thier will. won't happen anymore.
RE:KARUNANIDHI WAS BORN WHEN HIS MUMMY GOT RAPED BY DOGS
by on Sep 22, 2007 06:12 AM Permalink
So I am guessing you will be the guy who could get all the gold from the saints in Ayodhya :) Or is it all that you can do :( spew your impotent guts out. I think that is most capable of sadly, you deranged soul !
RE:KARUNANIDHI WAS BORN WHEN HIS MUMMY GOT RAPED BY DOGS
by Mani on Sep 22, 2007 05:29 AM Permalink
Come on cross belts. you are showing your true colors now. You are a poisonous creature. We have tamil nadu for Tamilians. Do you have any place for you in India. That is why you are trying to divide us in the name of caste and religion. Try to live with us or be prepared to perish
RE:KARUNANIDHI WAS BORN WHEN HIS MUMMY GOT RAPED BY DOGS
by on Sep 22, 2007 05:48 AM Permalink
and how were you born you sicko !!
Now you know why it was so easy for the British to rule over India. We Indians self destruct at the slightest provocation. If you can prove Ram existed then provide it to Karunanidhi. Dont' fret and fume at him. I get the feeling the reason everybody is so angry is simply because nobody has got the slightest clue to his whereabouts or origin. Its indeed a rude awakening for millions of Hindus from the years of slumber being tossed around by the idle whims of politicians using religious sentiments to influence Indians. If you are sure about what you believe you will not worry abt what Karunanidhi has to say and ignore his rantings (however true it might be) But the million dollar question to every hindu is "Are you sure of your destiny, have you believed a fantasy all along" Maybe this will prompt some to do some soul searching within for true answers...
Ram Bhakthas, Tamilnadu don't need any monkey-made bridge. Please take it to Ayodhya and keep it museum. atleast then, it would be accessable to Ram Bhakthas.
We are trying to improve our economy with our man-made canal project. why do you get jealous? please leave us improve our state
RE:it is not man-made bridge but monkey-made bridge
by Sundar K on Sep 22, 2007 05:02 AM Permalink
You need monkey made bridge or not..your heads are worse than monkeys..nodding your heads to criminal politicians..
Forget about RAM..what about the ecological impact..did any of u care
RE:it is not man-made bridge but monkey-made bridge
by Saagar Bhatia on Sep 22, 2007 04:56 AM Permalink
why dont christians remember what happened to that australian missionary or muslims remember gujrat 2001 before making racist comments like yours? You piss off the majority and eventually you push yourself in the corner
RE:RE:it is not man-made bridge but monkey-made bridge
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 05:03 AM Permalink
I know this what the terrorist VHP could do. they can't do anything constructive but kill minorities.
Our lord Muruga will bless us to defeat the terrorist VHP
RE:it is not man-made bridge but monkey-made bridge
by true tamilan on Sep 22, 2007 04:56 AM Permalink
Do not talk about TN economy to me. What happened to textile industries in Tiruppur? What happened to much hyped desalination plant in Chennai. How many years we have to keep begging Karnataka to give us water. Atleast Jaya, implemented water saving scheme in houses. What was Karuna's contribution to this? Fighting with other states.
Karuna is the 20th richest Indian. Can somebody tell me the source of income?
RE:RE:it is not man-made bridge but monkey-made bridge
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 05:02 AM Permalink
All the project in the world has a success rate of 40%. there are lot of projects fail in this country.
The Cauvery Tribunal already gave the verdict on Cauvery issue.
Even if we fail, that's our right to fail. Why are these VHP terrorist interfering in our Sethu CAnal project?
Scientific study of gene mapping has shown that aryan invasion never took place. Then why still keep harping on the stupid theory devised to divide indians. We are all either dravidians or aryans. That is all.
RE:RE:Aryan Invasion Myth
by true tamilan on Sep 22, 2007 05:07 AM Permalink
Gene mapping technique took the genes of tribals from TN, native people in gujarat and from North India. They found that their forefathers genes upto 1000s of years matched.
Please explain to me how come aryans have black gods.
You will believe a christian missionary's theory more than science and logic.
RE:aryan-dravidian theory
by true tamilan on Sep 22, 2007 04:50 AM Permalink
I am not a brahmin. Historians and scientists have debunked the theory. Max Mueller, christian missionary proposed this theory towards the end of 19th century. Before that nobody thought about it.
RE:aryan-dravidian theory
by sowhat on Sep 22, 2007 04:57 AM Permalink
forget those theories. Why was there fight against Sankrit in TN? Why was there fight against Hindi in TN? Why was there fight agains Brahminism in TN?
These are all war against Aryan invasion. But Dravidians don't invade the Aryan with their culture or language or their literature. "yaarum erukkum edathil erunthu kondaal ellaam soukiyamae". So, Aryans should learn to keep their culture and god within their area. If they force it on Dravidians, they would fight back.
Why is not Murugan worshipped in North? Why should be Ram believed in South?
RE:aryan-dravidian theory
by true tamilan on Sep 22, 2007 04:51 AM Permalink
Ravana is a brahmin. While Rama is black and Kshatriya. According to theory, dravidians are black and white aryans came from central asia. Please explain to me.
RE:aryan-dravidian theory
by vijay ram on Sep 22, 2007 04:53 AM Permalink
Ramanuja initiated untold numbers of non brahmins into the brahminical faith. most brahmins in tamil nadu are indigeneous and even look so. However, it is convenient for political purposes to portray the divide as a racial one. It is odious and what more, clearly most people get fooled by it.
Even if one were to think of people as "natives" and "outsiders", you are doing nothing but persecuting your own cousins. It is amazing how much stupidity goes on in the name of race!
RE:aryan-dravidian theory
by true tamilan on Sep 22, 2007 05:01 AM Permalink
I am a Hindu. By definition, Hindu is someone who believes that there are multiple ways in which one can reach god or salvation. In my village, I will pray to Esakiyamman. I will go to Siva temple also. I will go to Krishna temple also in city.
It does not matter which god or which path you take to attain salvation as far as we dont hurt others.
Ok Ram is dark so how come he is aryan. Acoording to definition of Max Mueller, he shud be a dravidian. So did aryans later added Rama as black so that they can worship a black god.
RE:KARUNANIDHI WAS BORN WHEN HIS MUMMY GOT RAPED BY DOGS
by HateLoveMyTeam on Sep 22, 2007 04:40 AM Permalink
hello liuhsdjhf, I do not understand, whether Karuna said it in the coorect mind. I hope I am not sure. Mr. karuna always say bad about Hindu gods. Does karuna have courage to talk about any other religions or other Gods? I am also a tamilian. U r bringing an irrelevant topic of tamils vs Aryans. There are lots of uneducated tamilians and karuna gets the courage from them to talk like that.
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