Indian muslims cannot be viewed as a single entity,
can be broadly classified into
a.Highly educated forward looking elite n higher middle class.
b.Middle class who still chase the govt jobs to make a decent living.
c.lower middle class who r strictly under the control of mulla.lastly,
d.the political class or jinna class who exploit their own berthren.
In most cases the terror elements r recruited from bottom of middle class and entire segment of lower middle n lower class(kafeel is an exception).
The immediate furstration among them is captured by terror networks of let,huji etc.
what can muslim do for their betterment?
Don vote for psudosecular parties which feast on segregation of the minorities, such voting patterns clearly favours hindu right wing.
if u want justice sit, protest, rasto roko, rail roko, hunger strike but don plant bombs to kill innocents.Thats the difference between hindu protest and islamic.
maulana abul kalam azad was schlor in islamic studies no muslin listened to him.(1936 elections 93% muslims voted for muslim league led by jinna, forget abot quran who hardly knows urdu, what does this infer ? choose a good leader rather than one who opposes hindus and appease muslims).
what can hindus do ?
just becoz some muslim's are terrorist don blame all.
RE:Make it a Secular University
by sheerin afzal on Sep 22, 2007 09:03 AM Permalink
Dear Mr Krishneir, If u are not from that place then u may not be knowing that its a secular univ only, unlike BHU, and that neither the jobs nor the admissions are given on the basis of religion and none has any communal thinking. So pls consider to make other univ secular first and change the name and dont be misinterpretd by the name of univ and spoil its image.
RE:Make it a Secular University
by Lakshmanan Ramaswamy on Sep 22, 2007 09:37 AM Permalink
When you agree with your own remarks, at least use a different id!!
RE:Make it a Secular University
by VSR on Sep 22, 2007 09:36 AM Permalink
Good, Sheerin. You sitting in India and in Hindu majority and teaching about seculalism. Do you really know which other country follows secularism like India. Understand you are the most protected muslim in the world. Inspite of so many atrocities committed by many muslims and issuing fatwas not respecting common law in India, we are tolerant. This is true secularism. You guys want secularism to protect you and also you wanted to follow your own laws.
RE:Make it a Secular University
by uruj akhtar on Sep 22, 2007 09:55 AM Permalink
Hi There,
why there is always a hue and cry when it comes to the Muslims. Why not a muslim university when their are other minority instititions in the country. I fully agree with you that we are the Most Protected Muslims in the world(despite the fact that Gujrat riots).BUT don't you think it's the right of every Hindu muslim,sikh,Christian to have the Right of protection rather than having said to one religion.
RE:Make it a Secular University
by VSR on Sep 22, 2007 10:09 AM Permalink
Yes, Uruj. Every Indian, irrepsetive of their religion should have right of protection. Right of protection need not come from respective laws of individual religion. There should be one, common law for every citizen of this country. If each tribe create and follow their own laws, will it not lead to chaos?
RE:Make it a Secular University
by raj on Sep 22, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
stop this muslim universities it will only create terrorists and no professionals.Sack them from INDIA. Hindistan.
RE:Make it a Secular University
by Gowhar shafi on Sep 22, 2007 09:46 AM Permalink
What is your problem if we follow our own laws in solving our problems
RE:Make it a Secular University
by VSR on Sep 22, 2007 09:52 AM Permalink
Boss, if solve your own problems, it is not our problem. But solving your own problem it should not become evil to the society. As you would have heard that mullahs of deoband wanted a father in law to marry his daughter in law because he raped her. Is this the problem solving? It is like breeding evils in the society. Moreover, sitting in India, we talk about secularism. But for muslims and communists, secularism means Hindus should not about their religion and muslims can follow their own law. Is this true secularism? Anybody raising hatred against any religion should be punished, whether he is from RSS or Hizbul group or mullahs or politicians. India should have common law not law for every tribe.
by Jya shankar There is nothing new in the past few days rather than these are repetition of the old events which is happening time and again may be in different forms,. What is more important is that university should co-ordinate with district administration to maintain a good law and order in the university and its vicinity. This is an unfortunate part that our country and communities are always victim of racial/communal/cultural differences, which ultimately results in to poor co-ordination and co-operation. I am sure if district administration is ready to control situation it can be done easily provided real student should not suffer from atrocities, that is the fear in the mind of university administration and full charges never been given to district administration as result they always play a role of innocent bystander, no matter how much is the loss of university or student, at most they will safeguard the vice chancellor at the time of incident that has happened this time also. And university should also have self sufficient police forces, able to deal with majority of the small events, which kept on happening on daily basis, they must be powerful well trained and not like presenting BULL.I fully agree with the idea to dissolve the student union now as these days it has never been beneficial neither for students nor for community. Infact university administration should be careful in solving and fulfilling the needs of students so that there would not be any
RE:Need to Coordinate
by VSR on Sep 22, 2007 09:40 AM Permalink
First and foremost is to ban student unions in India. These unions are headed by goondas and politicians who want to exploit students and drag away from their education. These union never benefit anyone. Will the government do it? No, recently Sonia congratualated a Delhi university student union leader as he was a congress member.
It nice if we have seperate college for anti social elements, why they spoiling the college where 80% good students are studying. Some of the Indian states requires this type od college in every district. Special cultural and behaviour subjects also will be part of thier college curriculam.... Admissipon to this college based on criteria such as number of robberies, rape..how many days in police station,fights in streets.....etc..
RE:we need seperate College in each state with Gonda & Political party studies
by jain varghese on Sep 22, 2007 08:02 AM Permalink
College lectures should be from police or Political back ground,they only can handle this type of guys in first year..second year onwards normal subjects...If Government forcfully implemented this type of special packages for anti social elements ...after couple of years atleast 50% of them in good situtaions..in life.
Why only 'Muslim' university? why not throw open the doors to everyone. No reservations. Induct students throught all india/ state level entrance exam. admissions strictly on merit. Am sure that would get them better students and consequently the campus would be known for knowleage and not crime.
RE:Make AMU an inclusive institution
by on Sep 22, 2007 09:00 AM Permalink
Probably you are unaware of the facts. Though the name is Muslim University, there is no reservation for Muslims. Students of every religion are welcome. Admissions are made trough all India entrance tests. In courses like MBBS,B.Tech. 50% or more than 50% students are Hindus. Anti social elements are found everywhere and AMU is no exception. University admn. is taking steps to eliminate them and restore the glory of the institution.
RE:Make AMU an inclusive institution
by sheerin afzal on Sep 22, 2007 08:39 AM Permalink
Dear Sameer, yes u r right, it implies to all the institutions irrespective of caste or race or religion. But here its discussed because of the recent problem in the campus, and just for ur knowledge, its Muslim University only by name, Otherwise its as secular as other universities are, and admissions are open to all students be him or her from any religion, and persons are assigned even the top most positions just on their academic qualifications, and not religion my dear.
RE:Make AMU an inclusive institution
by Asrar Alam on Sep 23, 2007 09:26 PM Permalink
in which world r u living? probably ur own dream world! amu is open to all based on merit unlike reservations for castes of ur community.
True, I agree with everyone. In fact whoever wants peace in the university must be agreeing to what is said above. The unfortunate thing is that these steps are taken only when one or the other student has already lost his life. Nothing can be more sad than the killings of 4 students over a period of a few months. Everytime the university will come up with these steps, but again slowly the tea stalls will re-open, the music will get louder and the two wheelers will be allowed. Incidents of chain snatching and eve teasing occur almost daily, but university administration never takes any steps. Its high time now that the administration must become strict and must come up with some solution on a permanent basis, and must work along with the district administration to maintain a cool and calm atmosphere. There should definitely be a ban on student's union. Let all of us pray for the betterment of AMU and try to bring Sir Syed's dream come true, Amin.
RE:Ban on students union , illegal tea stalls, and two whhelers in the campus.
by Tauseef Siddiqui on Sep 22, 2007 09:02 AM Permalink
i felt u r very frustrated indian guy who believe to be a true indian idol but just provoking the secular people of india to kill indian muslims. rather you should be given some international award for this foolishness .one thing i want to clear that muslim was an integral part of india and will remain so forever. we muslim are doing well for the progress of our great country. you can'nt realise it b'coz you are a dame fool frustrated person
RE:RE:Ban on students union , illegal tea stalls, and two whhelers in the campus.
by VSR on Sep 22, 2007 09:47 AM Permalink
Tauseef, I am a Hindu. I am proud of you. India needs Indians like you.
RE:Ban on students union , illegal tea stalls, and two whhelers in the campus.
by mohd faizi ata on Sep 22, 2007 10:00 AM Permalink
Gunduraoramesh ---tum hijde hain eisliye dusroo ko aisa bolta hain..its ur personal matter that u cant produce ..poor guy..well send ur address to me i will do the rest so u will be having more kids....jaldi kar hijde..aur discount lele..hahahah
RE:Ban on students union , illegal tea stalls, and two whhelers in the campus.
by VSR on Sep 22, 2007 10:13 AM Permalink
Mohd Faizi, I was proud of other muslims here. And here you are started showing your real muslim colors.
RE:Ban on students union , illegal tea stalls, and two whhelers in the campus.
by Ashish Mahajan on Sep 22, 2007 09:26 AM Permalink
Felt good to see this kind of approach from an indian muslim, hope all of indian muslims speak like that and do not celeberate the Pakistan's win in cricket against india.
RE:Ban on students union , illegal tea stalls, and two whhelers in the campus.
by Syed Ali on Sep 22, 2007 09:54 AM Permalink
ashish mahazan there is a question? how many indian muslims do you know and of those, how many u hav seen celebrating after Pakistan's win over India? i my opinion on the basis of ,say just 5 out of hundred muslims u cant make your opinion abt d rest. i am an indian muslim and i feel as bad as any other indian when india looses any match against pakistan or any other team and this is true for all my india muslim friends.
RE:Ban on students union , illegal tea stalls, and two whhelers in the campus.
by VSR on Sep 22, 2007 09:45 AM Permalink
Guys, killing muslims will not solve any problem. Education is the most important aspect. Most important is drive away mullahs who are virus to the society. I dont think normal muslims wanted the way mullahs or few of the politicians behave in the society. I am not anti muslim, I am certainly against some of their hardcore onsided policies and that need to be changed.
AMU STUDENTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH LOOT AND MURDER.THE EAL CULPRITS ARE NONREGISTERED STUDENTS WHO BELONG TO ILLITERATE FAMILIES HAVING WEALTH.THEY LIVE IN RENTED ROOMS IN CIVIL LINES ON PRETEXT OF COACHING FOR VARIOUS TECHNICAL COURSES.MOST OF THESE STUDENTS ATTENDING COACHING CLASSES HAVE PISTOLS,UNREGISTERED MOTOR BIKES WITH PLAIN NUMBER PLATES.WHOLE DAY THEY ARE MAKING FUN IN RESTAURANTS,DHABAS,HAVE COASTLY MOBILES.AFTER MAGHRIB PRAYERS THEY ROAM ON MOTORBIKES IN S.S.NAGAR LANES,MEDICAL COLONY AND RAILWAY ROAD.IT IS NOTICED THAT THREE GOONDAS RIDE ON A BIKE AND SNATCH,PURSES,ORNAMENTS,MOBILES FROM LADIES AND GENTS.ALL THREE LOOTERS POSSES REVOLVERS.NOT A SINGLE DAY IS PASSED WITHOUT SNAECHING AND ROBBERIES IN CIVIL LINES AREA.IN ORDER TO ROOT OUT THESE ANTI SOCIAL ELEMENTS,UNIVERSITY AUTHORITIES,DISTRICT ADMINISTRATION AND MAYOR SHOULD PUT RESTRICTIONS TO LET OUT ROOMS TO UNKNOWN STUDENTS,THEIR CREDENTIALS SHOULD BE VERIFIED AND SENT TO POLICE STATION AND COACHING CENTRES MUST BE REMOVED FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS.THERE MUST BE STRICT BAN ON MOTIR BIKES AND THREE RIDERS SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO ROAM AROUND CAMPUS.BESIDES DRESS COE SHOULD BE RE INTRODUCED.POLICE SHOULD COMB THOSE FLATS OR RESIDENCE WHERE STUDENTS ARE PUTTING UP. SHAHID HASHMI ALIGARH
RE:IT is a wise step to ban two wheelers,clearancre of tea stalls around campus
by singhsahab on Sep 22, 2007 07:27 AM Permalink
bu wad abt 4-wheeler..incidents also ocurrs in.
RE:IT is a wise step to ban two wheelers,clearancre of tea stalls around campus
by VSR on Sep 22, 2007 09:55 AM Permalink
Ban cycles also. Last time I saw a movie in which two gusy riding on a cycle shot a politician. Even cycle is also dangerous to society. And also ban Cycle Brand Agarbatti. Anything in the name of cycle should be banned.
RE:IT is a wise step to ban two wheelers,clearancre of tea stalls around campus
by srikanth bhadra on Sep 22, 2007 12:47 PM Permalink
vsr what a joke i am still laughing, ha ha ha
RE:Ban the Student's Union
by Tabassum Javed on Sep 22, 2007 06:03 AM Permalink
Very correct. Theres no reason why there should at all be students union. Students are there to study and not to do union activities alias politics.
And as a matter of fact .... Union guys are the present day gundas only. Hardly are the academically active students seen involved in uion activities.
Govt should make this part of the legislation .... after obviosuly so much of anti social activities all over the country including the most infamous Prof Sabarwal case.
RE:RE:Ban the Student's Union
by rama sastrulu on Sep 22, 2007 07:01 AM Permalink
THE PROPOSAL OF VICE CHANCELOR SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED FORTHWITH TO SAFEGAURD CAREER OF THE STUDENTS AND TO ESTABLISH CALM AND PEACELULL ATMOSPHEAR IN THE AMU. RAMASASTRULU, VJA'
RE:Ban the Student's Union
by VSR on Sep 22, 2007 09:57 AM Permalink
I agree with Tabassum and Rama. One think in India is sure, someone should bell the cat and why not this vice chancellor who is bold enough to initiate action. Quodos to him.
