RE:DMK was partner of ''Brahminic'' BJP for 5 long years at Delhi. Remember?
by Blaster on Sep 18, 2007 08:52 PM Permalink
Its was only BJP who begged for alliance and BJP became secular to be in power.
RE:DMK was partner of ''Brahminic'' BJP for 5 long years at Delhi. Remember?
by Tathagata Mukherjee on Sep 18, 2007 08:54 PM Permalink
Re-read how politics evolved those days again instead of living in delusion:)-
DMK, PMK, MDMK - all were NOT fool.
Change definition of secularism, else brace for bigger trouble in future. You are pushing anti-Hindu stentiment as communal while rallying muslims/xtians under grab of secularism:)-
RE:DMK was partner of ''Brahminic'' BJP for 5 long years at Delhi. Remember?
by Tathagata Mukherjee on Sep 18, 2007 08:58 PM Permalink
* Change definition of secularism, else brace for bigger trouble in future. You are pushing anti-Hindu stentiment as 'secular' while rallying muslims/xtians religiously under grab of secularism:)-
RE:DMK was partner of ''Brahminic'' BJP for 5 long years at Delhi. Remember?
by kskumar on Sep 18, 2007 09:08 PM Permalink
So, the Senile Old Man did not want any alliance and went along with the BJP only because he was magnanimous enough to concede the BJP's pleadings? Be real, fella. From your comments on this forum on diverse issues, I can perceive your DMK bias. you are entitled to be a DMK man, but don't expect others to worship the DMK and its ideologies.
RE:DMK was partner of ''Brahminic'' BJP for 5 long years at Delhi. Remember?
by Jitesh Kumar Agrawal on Sep 18, 2007 08:54 PM Permalink
You mean to say even congress went begging to DMK for support....dont puke over here....talk sense
RE:DMK was partner of ''Brahminic'' BJP for 5 long years at Delhi. Remember?
by Blaster on Sep 18, 2007 08:56 PM Permalink
Mr.Agrawal. Due you know what influence DMK have on central Govt. Congress too highly rely on DMK support. Learn politics.
RE:DMK was partner of ''Brahminic'' BJP for 5 long years at Delhi. Remember?
by Jitesh Kumar Agrawal on Sep 18, 2007 09:05 PM Permalink
I dont have to learn politics from you....I suggest you to grow up and start using your brain if you have any...DMK and all allies in UPA know only one thing...vote bank politics at all cost...even if it requires dividing nation to pieces on all the basis
BJP rather than finding loopholes in the UPA and extrating mileage out of this catch22 situation focuses on constructive criticism and Development. Vote bank politics is a shortsighted strategy and never works in the long run. Don`t inflame the passions of gulible Indians who are sensitive to religious sentiments.
RE:Ram and Sethu.
by Jitesh Kumar Agrawal on Sep 18, 2007 08:58 PM Permalink
Boss is it BJP who is hurting religious sentiments??????? Wake up and understand whats happening around you...here is a bloody long minority appeasement state politics being played which stoops down to the level of hurting the sentiments of all hindus. What constructive criticism can you do for this issue.... by the way do you at all feel that some wrong has been done or think that nothing wrong was said or done?
RE:Ram and Sethu.
by Pradip Tank on Sep 18, 2007 09:00 PM Permalink
when u say "VOTE BANK POLITICS",what would u put Muslim appeasement into?Isn't it a VOTE BANK POLITICS",why always critisise anything related to HINDUS & why always praise any divisive policy in the name of the Muslim upliftment as something very nice? Just can't understand this kind of biased approach.If u say that all Indians r equal then why always talk in favour of Muslims?Why they r always portrayed as victims?Was the burning of train coach at GODHRA just an accident?How come then the Gujarat riots were portrayed as Muslim hatred? Please think over it.
is one of the politicians in the republic of india who wears a yellow towel around his neck, a mascot for rayban sunglasses, because he wears sunglasses even at midnight ?
WHat you said about the muslims are right. Everything else is wrong.
1. British spoiled our country by converting people. 2. They stole our wealth and used us as cheap labor. 3. Their education was entirely to make clerks who can help their imperial regime. It was the greatness of our people who fought with them to establish Universities. In British time Indian Universities had world class scientists who are Indian (S.N. Bose, J.C. Bose, M. Saha, C.V. Raman ....).
4. As ruler it is true British were better than muslim rulers. But they were beter manipulator too.
5. They divided our country and gave the country to the hand of their slave (Nehru).
6. THey spolied our history by wrongly dating different historical evidences.
7. THey tried to spoil our philosophical supremacy over them by establishing Arian Invasion theory and wrongly dating Harappa and Mahenjodaro.
8. British were the best imperialists but at last we kicked them out. Now still we have their representatives. Once we can kick Italian ministry out, our country will survive.
RE:RE:British spoiled India
by India Fan on Sep 18, 2007 09:06 PM Permalink
Not required its a failed gospel, in Europe and USA and only practised in 3rd world countries, where they give choco bars for conversion.
RE:British spoiled India
by cycube on Sep 18, 2007 08:46 PM Permalink
the english didnt convert many people or demolish temples...only 2% christians, the mooghals forcibly converted almost 50% of the population of the indian-subcontinent (pakistan, india, bangladesh).
RE:British spoiled India
by George Sunny on Sep 18, 2007 08:49 PM Permalink
If something is forced, it won't last long. If Christianity was forced in India..It should've faded away with in a few years after independence. But that's not the case. If there was something good about British rule..that would be the Gospel..
I'm a Gospel fan.. So all criticisms are welcome!!
RE:British spoiled India
by kskumar on Sep 18, 2007 09:13 PM Permalink
You are entitled to be a fan of anyone or anything but don't expect others to see it that way. It was precisely your reasoning that the Christians in pre-Independence India gave to support the British. And today, they are enjoying equal status with the Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs who shed their blood for independence. Obvioiusly, from your comments, you have no regrets about the past and will do the same thing again if necessary. Shame on you!
RE:RE:British spoiled India
by venkatesh s k on Sep 18, 2007 09:19 PM Permalink
Do you know how christianity is surviivng in INDIA. Travel to tribal places and rural places and you will find out. It is because of
1. All the dollar donations to these missionaries 2. Hospitals run by these missionaries 3. Money & gifts to poor people
Once you stop all the dollar funding to these missionaries then you will see how many of them will convert...and how many would be there still talking about bible or jesus or doing conversions...
Hinduism even after valiant attacks from Mughal rulars and British raj it is still surviving and is still a majority. It does not teach false dogmas, it just harps on BHAKTI rather than the way you express your love to god. But in Christianity and Islam you are forced to follow certain rules and policies if you donot then you are treated as Son of satan or Kaafir.
If Inida was some other religion follower as in west or east or if Hinduism beliefs were weak, by this time India could have been totally coverted to christianity or Islam as it has happenned world over.
And now some converts have started finding faults in worlds oldest and greatest relion which has given birth to many other religions such as Bhudism, Jainism, Sikhism etc..
How Shameful.
I am confident that Hinduism will survive this also.
RE:British spoiled India
by jignesh ganpatlal jani on Sep 18, 2007 09:11 PM Permalink
This is the trouble with non-hindu's. They will always be faithful more to their religion and not to the motherland India. That is why i can see some people trying to defend britishers and some trying to defend the moughals.... It speaks for itself. And i know that one of these guys will try to report this message as abusive but then the moderator should try and decide based on the language and content of this message. And not only because someone will report it for abuse. I want all of these elements to read this. Nothing offensive here.
RE:Can Karunanidhi say the same for Allah
by Bipin Musale on Sep 18, 2007 08:44 PM Permalink
Allah's followers can show a hair of the former; what can one show about Lord Ram?
RE:Can Karunanidhi say the same for Allah
by SUNIL SHARMA on Sep 18, 2007 08:52 PM Permalink
are u sure that hair belongs to allah.in my opinion that hair belongs to ex PM LAL BHADUR SHASTRI
RE:Can Karunanidhi say the same for Allah
by jignesh ganpatlal jani on Sep 18, 2007 09:14 PM Permalink
What about the proof of the hair being the original as it is claimed. No. no one asks for that , not even us hindus. As we respect all other religions in true sense. And we just try to show them mirror when they try to defame Hinduism.
RE:Can Karunanidhi say the same for Allah
by Chola King on Sep 18, 2007 08:54 PM Permalink
We can show a 35 mile bridge which is presently underwater. We can show the CM, MKarunanidhi who is a Descendent of Ravana.
RE:Can Karunanidhi say the same for Allah
by Raju Dalit on Sep 18, 2007 08:49 PM Permalink
IF BRITISH WERE NOT THERE, YOU WUD NOT WRITE THIS. YOU WUD BE A FORCED CONVERTED MUSLIMS. WHOLE INDIA WUD BE TALIBAN LIKE AND PAKI. TOO WILL LEG FAR BEHIND, AS WHATEVER MODERN OUTLOOK PREVAILS THERE IS BCZ THEY WANT TO COMPETE INDIA.
oh by the way, no bomblast for some time now. I think they will get thirsty of our blood anytime soon. they are good at that since centuries and they take pride in that. What a culture and yes, it is religion of PEACE, peace after death though.
RE:Can Karunanidhi say the same for Allah
by andhi on Sep 18, 2007 08:48 PM Permalink
he is a black visioned/no visioned person. what else can be expected from the old dirty owl?
RE:Can Karunanidhi say the same for Allah
by arunkumar nayak on Sep 18, 2007 09:07 PM Permalink
MK is playing an opportunistic role and it is dangerous in present day context. An old man like MK tries to demolish the concept of Indianness; but in his unconsciousness he is planting a destructive seed that may flourish communalism in posterior generation.
True colors of democracy are experienced here in India, where Politicians can denounce or ratify existence of Indian history,culture,heritage,ideals,values.Now Great Person Ram whom we worship,remember,respect because he established value system for individuals,families,Society,countries,have shown path for co-existence and what not,is at the mercy of Indian Politicians.
Regulated society,Governance would have not let this situation happen.Disrespect for World`s mythological Hero can happen in Indian Society ,that too at the hands of Politicians definitely suggests existence of fragile mind set who can go to any extent to continue to be in power or in pursuit to get it.
It is an insult to our forefathers,mother and the tragedy is a Government Department developed for guarding History,culture,civilisation,monuments etc. seems well poised to destroy the faith.Evaluating Faith with evidences and documentation was never a sane exercise.
RE:Lord Ram at mercy of Politicians
by Gunduraoramesh on Sep 18, 2007 09:41 PM Permalink
Lord Rama please take one avatar and start a political party you will sure win and you can be the prime minister of india the post is more superior than your VAIKUNTHA PATHAVI one time you be the prime minister then you will feel sorry why we had not taken avatar before
All for a vote bank, they are dividing India inthe name of religion and caste.All of us know this. Reservations based on caste, subcaste and now religion. Reservation in education, that too to certain extent, is understood ,but reservation in government and also private jobs.... common who r they kidding. Mr Prime minister is the weekest of all.. not able to make a single decission...he is just a puppet in Sonia's hand. He shows how helpless he is by crying soo many times on TV. Now coming to BJP... they have done nothing substancial other than saying 'Ram Ram'. These political parties can do anything for power. They can, overnight became friends their worst political rivals, without any morals, they can allow criminals to contest elections. for them all it matters is to win elections. When a constabele shook hands with Mr Sanjay Dutt he was dimissed, but when a politician did the same thing everything was hushed up. Bloody hypocrits.
RE:politicians are selling out country
by Jitesh Kumar Agrawal on Sep 18, 2007 08:48 PM Permalink
Boss NDA under BJP did more development work then all the government did in 50 yrs of independence. Forget all those atlest when in power they did not do all such kind of appeasement and oppressive activities. Just look at this buggers, just for vote bank they abuse hindu gods...they will not think twice if they have to sell their mother and sisters to get a vote bank.
Even if you dont like to teach a lesson to all the opportunist in UPA, next time BJP should be brought to power or get prepared to live a shameful life with all and sundry abusing anything the way they like.
RE:politicians are selling out country
by Ha ha hi hi on Sep 18, 2007 08:59 PM Permalink
Yes they created Ambanis???... hence more than 10000 farmers commiteed suicide... during their period inflation was very high and offcourse they brought Contract Jobs!!!! they has only served the rich and not the poor!!! they spent 2 billion dollars on India shinning!!! hence u could call that BJP is govt of the Capitalist Class... Even stock brokers confirm this
RE:I Respect Ramayan!! BUT.....
by Bipin Musale on Sep 18, 2007 08:51 PM Permalink
Don't say Ramayan is a myth, Only it cannot be proved as history because ancient Hindus had a poor sense of history(no systematic recording methods existed here like westerners). Therefore, it is wrong to dismiss it as myth.
RE:RE:I Respect Ramayan!! BUT.....
by Rakesh Saigal on Sep 18, 2007 09:12 PM Permalink
Doesn't that beg the question? A myth is a myth because there is no "record" to prove it to be historical. But how can you say that the whole of Ramayana is historical? There is evidence to show that the were many extrapolations (inssertions at a later date) over the millena. I hold no brief for fundamentalism wheher homegrown or as areaction to another set of fundamentalism.However, I would like us ll to have a debate on our rich cultural heritage. Throogh discussions and discourse the culture is expanded and remains relevant to the people who live in different times. Remember, an example of discourse is the Bhagwat Gita itself.
If a healthy discouse were to take place thru this blog then my first question would be: how come there are o amny Ramyanas? Are all the Ramyanas th same? If yes, why write so many instead of translating the original into various languages and dialects? And what of the Ramayanas of Indonesia? Of Thailand? These other ciilizations regard Ram and Ramayana as part of their cultural legay and are proud of it. Consider: Indonesia is th largest muslim nation in the world (we are the second largest) and yet thir naional airline is called GARUDA!!
As can be seen, Ramayana is a symbol, of cross civilizations across centuries. Also consider that the peninsula that has Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Thailand is known as Indochine. This is so because the merchants and traders were largely chinese but the soft power of religion, epics, philosophy etc were of In
