We love to abuse American and love to use whatever information the GORA LOG give to promote our ridiculous thinking and ideology.In October 2002 during SAFFRON RAAJ (NDA)NASA had categorically refused to accept the RAMSETU claim and the hulla died down.But today because BJP is not in the power a collection of sand below the sea level has become ASTHA, BHARAT KI ASMITA AUR GAURAV KA PRASHN. In this era when we claim that NASA, MICROSOFT ETC are being mannned by Indians,is it okay that a heap of sand should provide people like Advani & Togadia a wild card entry in INDIAN POLITICS. Great BJP (BHARAT JALAO PARTY). Today again NASA has refused to commit on this ADAMS BRIDGE AS AN OLD STRUCTURE.
RE:RE:SO CALLED RAMSETU &OUR HYPOCRISY
by on Sep 17, 2007 01:48 PM Permalink
You should change your name from INDIAN RAM to KALI VICTIM. Seriously, this is not your problem. It is the Kali (Kaliyug) that is causing you these thoughts. European and American nations are so keen in saving their historic monuments. They are preserving the world war remains. You are praising and backing up countries who have committed limit less sin(unknowingly or knowingly) in form of atomic bombs,crimes against afganistan and iraq. Dont be hypocritic by ignoring all this. India is our mother. If not Support, dont abuse her. Try to preserve and carry forward our beliefs, culture and our matchless great itihas and upanishads. Feel gifted that you have born on a sacred land.
RE:SO CALLED RAMSETU &OUR HYPOCRISY
by bigfacts on Sep 21, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
You are born on the sand where everyone is corrupted, kamchor, muftkhor and ghooshkhor. By breaking coconut you don't get all the fortune. We need to work hard, we need to believe in Science, rational thoughts. Development cannot come with emotions, mythology, and rituals. Ram and Ramayana both are historical frauds . there is no truth in their existence. I heard this story is considered to be 400 million years old. Still land of snake charmers or call centres. Give me a break.I am not against hinduism myself being hindu, but i am against historical lies, frauds of brahmins, mythology and superstitions. Would you go back to devdasi, sati system, child marriage, caste system, sabotage of social structure by brahmins in last 2000 years, this is what we call today as Hinduism... very ashamed.
RE:RE:RE:SO CALLED RAMSETU &OUR HYPOCRISY
by bigfacts on Sep 21, 2007 11:24 PM Permalink
All the Aryan gods are fictitious and imaginary created by Brahmins against Dravids 3500 years ago.
ASI has confirmed even Ganesha concept ( fictitious ) was bought from outside by Aryans. Ram and Ramayana is another historical blunder. I think ASI can hide facts but they wouldn't talk lies, as they are scientific institution.
RE:SO CALLED RAMSETU &OUR HYPOCRISY
by bigfacts on Sep 21, 2007 11:21 PM Permalink
By the way Togadia is not Hindu, he was born in Jain family. Babri masjid-ram mandir issue is diluted by supreme court, BJP, Togadia, when Jain temple was found below Ram Mandir. Jainism was oldest religion of India, atleast 8000 years old, but its history has been distorted by Brahmins. ASI has announced Babri Masjid as originally Jain temple.
The concerned Minister should boot out from the Ministry/Government. Is PM/Sonia Ghandhi have got guts to do that one? If they did it they will get applause from Majority CitiZens of India and NRIs.
The Government should dismiss the Minister who heads the ministry responsible for filing the affidavit, instead of suspening these hapless officials.
The Government, I am sure were fully aware what they were doing. The Congis got really scared that BJP,VHP and the "Shock Troops" Bajrang Dal would show their " True Devotion" to Lord Ram on the streets of India and prove the existence of Lord Ram.
The Congis now will not escape the wrath of Hindus by just suspending these officials. They can kiss good bye to electoral fortunes in the next general elections.
BJP will win the elections by a thumping majority and build a strong, stable India.
RE:Congis have made scapegoat of these ASI officers.
by birju on Sep 15, 2007 10:47 AM Permalink
There is an increasing fraud and dishonesty at the core of the Indian secular establishment. Secularism means, at once, a distancing of the institutions of governance from communal influence, but also sensitivity towards all religious communities and faiths - not just a particular minority vote-bank. The current, contentious and prejudiced orientation of so-called 'secular' forces in national politics reflects a complete collapse of political intellect.
RE:Congis have made scapegoat of these ASI officers.
by Neeraj Kumar on Sep 15, 2007 11:28 AM Permalink
Someone should file an application under RTI calling for information regarding the daily file movement of the relevant file. The daily file movement is required to be submitted by the govt. departments to the law ministry in important and sensitive cases. This will expose the UPA as all affidavits (to be filed before the SC) are drafted by the law officers (Addl. Solicitor Generals in consultation and concurrence with Solicitor General). All these law officers are basically political appointees and they also leave office with the fall (or end of term) of govt. In important matter even law minister is consulted. The draft affidavit must have passed through the tables of senior IAS officers of the concerned ministry and law ministry and the ministers themselves. This is the procedure in the govt. It is difficult to put blame on those two petty officials as they must be having absolutely no role other than putting up the relevant file. Why not suspend all these officers as well who despite holding important position in govt. preferred to remain silent? Why not remove the ministers also?
RE:Congis have made scapegoat of these ASI officers.
by Prajeet Bhonsale on Sep 15, 2007 04:11 PM Permalink
Well said Ganpati. Its now high time, Indians suspend Italian Congress from India forever.
RE:Congis have made scapegoat of these ASI officers.
by bigfacts on Sep 21, 2007 11:31 PM Permalink
It is not congis or BJP. I like BJP, except that they make use of fanatism and hindu emotions which are full of lies. Ram ramayana, is historical fraud in our society.
Though Sri Lanka is today an independent country, the island's heritage, culture and people have all come from India.
The sinhalese buddhists originated from Ashoka's Children. The Tamils in North east came from TamilNadu. Sri Lanka and India are different countries born and nurtured in same home by same mother (Indian Culture). Sethu just symbolises that. A canal in sethu is only time pass and money waste and tomorrow , what if there is need to relink India and Lanka?
When the Dredging Corporation of India sent its crane-fitted ship Hanuman to rescue the Sethusamudram canal project after a series of mishaps hit it, few would have missed the irony in the name.
The local people claimed the project was cursed because it involved dredging a chain of islets they believed to be the mythological bridge built by Ram%u2019s monkey army, led by Hanuman, to allow him to reach Lanka and rescue Sita.
The Rs 2,427-crore project, which looks to connect India%u2019s east and west coasts and save Rs 1,000 crore a year in shipping costs, had already had three false starts since work began late last year.
The first dredging vessel, Duck 6, sank and the second, Aquarius %u2014 the Dredging Corporation of India%u2019s (DCI%u2019s) largest %u2014 broke its spud. Thangan, the rescue ship, saw its crane collapse.
By then, the local belief about %u201CRamar setu%u201D was echoing far away in northern India with Sangh parivar activists and others filing petitions in the Supreme Court demanding protection for it.
Officials couldn%u2019t say if the choice of Hanuman as the rescue ship was deliberate %u2014 for religious or political reasons %u2014 but things began looking up after it was pressed into service.
But even Hanuman couldn%u2019t save what was cursed in the name of Ram. Late last month, the Supreme Court asked the DCI not to dredge through the chain of partly submerged limestone shoals, known as Adam%u2019s Bridge.
Work is now confined to a spot 4-5km north of the area while the Sethusamudram Corpor
BJP, VHP and Bagranj Dal were given a toy to play for a couple of days. They misunderstood it and thought that Bhagwan Ram has opnce again relied upon them and has given them a "MUDDA".They started dancing. Togadia Bhayya came out of hibernation and once again delivered his typical provocative speech and Advani Mausa gulped full bottle of cough syrup to clean his throat and ready to hit the road with his Rath.
Bhagwan Ram realised the sinister mood of these nautanki masters. He had seen what a mess these Bhagua fellows have created in Ayodhya and how fast the money that was collected in his name has vanished. No top Ram Bhakt was ready to sit in the Mandir, all of them wanted to sit in assembly and Parliament. No one was ready to lead a simple life , all want expensive gadgets and some of them even ---- tauba tauba.
Bhagwan Ram this time chose Sonia Gandhi who may be Italian and a christian but Bhagwan found her better suited for this assignment. His trust in Sonia Gandhi proved right. She did the work in the quickest posible time without creating any nuisance, without provacative Bhashan, without rathyatra , without any bandh and without any riot.
Thank You Bhagwan Ram for not trusting the trusted traitors and enemy of peace.
RE:Hai hai
by birju on Sep 15, 2007 10:21 AM Permalink
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RE:Hai hai
by Manish Ghildiyal on Sep 15, 2007 12:44 PM Permalink
tumhe kya laga yeh sarkar kya desh ke vikas ke liye gathit hui thi....yeh sab ek doosre ke dushman the...sirf satta ke liye sab ek saath aa gaye aur ab satta keliye hi yeh sab kiyaja raha hai...
The Govt of TN is doing two things, to waste administration time. They are:
1. Wasting Govt and minister's time on starting a TV Channel. If Karuna wanted his own TV Channel, he can ask his family members who are sitting at home to do that. Why is he spending valuable governance time to start a TV Channel ? TV Channel is not what people voted in last elections. There are pressing problems
2. Wasting time on Sethu Project. That is another criminal waste. A project that means very little gain to people of Southern TN. You are spending time in meetings etc for a project that will not stop the unemployed Southern TN from coming to Chennai.
So this is how government is wasting time. And after 5 years all that they have is some free TV sets to claim as acheivement.
RE:WASTING PEOPLE's TIME AT GOVT EXPENSE IS A SERIOUS CRIME..
by birju on Sep 15, 2007 10:48 AM Permalink
Will maino challenge Guru granth sahib next?as it is It mentions Ram in almost each page.
Science is not what christians say it is. It is already written in Hindu holi books thousands of years ago. Not for no reason Hitler worshipped Swastika. The poor fellow used it inverse, which led to his doom.
Vedic science never said that earth is flat. incase you saw discovery of India - Bharat ek Khoj serial about 15 years ago, the shloks enchanted and their meaning given during credits run after the end of the serial clearly said how the universe for formed. What einstien discovered fow not something new, it was discovered 1000s of years ago by vedic scientist.
So far as authenticity of Rama goes, if it was a story set in Ayodhaya, I would also think it was all rubbish. How could valmiki describe far away lands which exact geographical locations?
Everything that Christian science does, has already been done by vedic scholars thousands of years back.
And evrything got destroyed during Mahabharat, what is left is only legend.
When history is very old, it becomes legend. because the physical proofs no more remain intact.
but all this is beyond the understanding of neo religions which are so your - only a millineum old. These religions are so insecure, they ask you to bow your head or attend religious gatherings every sunday.
Mind you i hate going to temple, and especially the most popular ones because how inconvenient it is. When I talk about hinduism, its the vedic one not the brahmin chores...
RE:In the Name of Science
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 10:25 AM Permalink
valmiki didnt describe these lands.In fact these lands were named after tyhe story of Ramayana acquired important status in ancient India.
RE:In the Name of Science
by vivan appu on Sep 19, 2007 11:56 AM Permalink
Lets understand that science cannot be left un advanced if it really a proven one , the scientific advancements which we got is from western , nothing swadesi or vedic . It will be a nonsense to tell vedic is a whole and soul of science , although they have made some contributions,thatsall.
RE:In the Name of Science
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 10:05 AM Permalink
I also want to point That there is no denying the fact that ZERO was a concpet from india and great mena like Aryabhatta and Bhaskra have contributed to Maths But this is such a small part of science, if it is viwed in isolation and exaggerated it is worse than a lie
See the views of the President of Mathematcial Association and the director of Standford Kieth devlin On why he thinks it is Islam which kickstarted science in his Guardina artcile http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/sciences/story/0,12243,786006,00.html
RE:RE:In the Name of Science
by birju on Sep 15, 2007 10:25 AM Permalink
islam? islamists conquered india and cllaimed the achievements of indians as their own........the only contribution of islamists is the discovery that the earth is flat like a carpet,and that the moon can be shelved into two like a peanut!
RE:RE:RE:In the Name of Science
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 10:32 AM Permalink
If you dont have the habit of reading atleast watch History channel tommorrow(16Th sep) You can educate yourself on Islam and Muslim spain and what the world owes to it.
see the channel's link http://www.thehistorychannel.co.uk/site/tv_guide/full_details/World_history/programme_3500.php
RE:RE:RE:RE:In the Name of Science
by birju on Sep 15, 2007 10:53 AM Permalink
lol....islamic discoveries..that the ginn sleeps inside ur nose in the night and that ur ass must be wiped with odd number of stones after shitting!
RE:RE:RE:In the Name of Science
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 10:29 AM Permalink
Probably you know better history than Keith Develin who is a authority on Mathematics. He is the President of Mathematical Association of America and I am pointing to a article appeared in Guardian UK (Not a from a Muallah)
RE:In the Name of Science
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 10:02 AM Permalink
Any thing christans have done , was done by Vedic scholors??? Can you proove this rubbish by poiting me to some academic links or views os well knows scientist? You guys are so obsessed with this nonsensical view , even the Dustbin wikipedia on Vedic science is crying for evidence and reference
RE:In the Name of Science
by Neeraj Kumar on Sep 15, 2007 10:50 AM Permalink
Dear balaord, You are right that there are not much evidences. However, you must know the basic difference between christians and Hindus (and perhaps muslims) is their quality of documentation. Christians are extremely good in documentation. All our ancient knowledges have been lost just because of our lack of documentation. You can realize the difference instantly if you happen to meet any american or eurpoean and transact any business. They will document the entire meeting. It is in their culture. This documentation ability of christians basically conveys the feeling that their science is superior to us. Have you forgotton all those geographical indications (WTO)controversies about neem, haldi etc.? Our forefathers have made the mistake of not recording their knowledges and that's why we are not in a position to convince the person like you with evidences. At least we should wake up and start recording our ancient wealth of knowledge.
RE:RE:RE:In the Name of Science
by balaord on Sep 15, 2007 10:26 AM Permalink
This is the best reply,You guys can give!! So much for Scientific temperament
RE:In the Name of Science
by birju on Sep 15, 2007 10:50 AM Permalink
NO,WE CAN GIVE U MORE...........WHY WAS CHEESUS CRUCUFIED.....DID HE COMMIT INCEST OR WAS HE A TERRORIST.WHY WERE THE DECENT PPL SO ANGRY AT HIM,THAT THEY DRAGGED HIM,BEAT HIM UP AND CRUCIFIED HIM.........HE SURE MUST HAVE DONE SOME UNPARDONABLE SIN.
There is one real alternative to this project - Something that acheives same goal, but benefits people of 4 states and whole country.
The alternative is :
1. Build a Ultra High speed Train Corridor from Kolkatta to Tuticorin, along the NH itself . Latter extend it to Guwahati. 2. Let this corridor be fully electrified. 3. Expand Tuticorin Harbour in Size and make it ready for container traffic.
This solves all problems. The investment needed can be easily got from Japan and the project will create atleast 5-10 lakh jobs. After it is completed, Tea from Guwahati can be moved in just 1 day to Tuticorin and from there it can be shipped to UK/West Asia etc in no time. No need of any sethu canal or anything else.
Further, if you are living in europe/UK, you can find that most of food, milk products are imported from Australia. Once we develop this, we can export Indian Rice, Milk to UK/Europe and our farmers will benefit. Tuticorin will be the main shipping point and it will become a great trading hub.
This is not some dream fantasy. Japan is going to investi n Mumbai-Delhi High speed goods train corridor, same thing can be done to Eastern India also.
Sethu is time pass, money waste distraction that will be just a joke.
RE:A REAL ALTERNATIVE TO SETHU CANAL PROJECT..
by MGR Fan on Sep 15, 2007 09:54 AM Permalink
If you look at world map, you will find it very funny - Europeans/UK people and Arabs will buy lot of foodstuff from Australia, which is 10000-15000 kms away. India has far bigger agricultural power than Australia and we are nearer, but we dont use that capability to enrich our farmers. Sethu Canal wont change anything, except to waste time and hurt sentiments. The best alternative is the train corridor connected to ports like Kochi-Tuticorin. Or else, 4 laning of railway tracks should be taken up by Laloo immediately .
RE:A REAL ALTERNATIVE TO SETHU CANAL PROJECT..
by Aftab on Sep 15, 2007 10:04 AM Permalink
Advani uncle is asking to give an alternative that has a MUDDA for his party. You are talking sensible things and he is unable to appreciate this
RE:A REAL ALTERNATIVE TO SETHU CANAL PROJECT..
by MGR Fan on Sep 15, 2007 10:24 AM Permalink
yes, the party (BJP) is taking the wrong route to criticise a wrong project (Sethu). Sethu is a DMK sponsored timepass and moneywaste project to strengthen the contractor mafia represented by a particular Minister of TN .
RE:A REAL ALTERNATIVE TO SETHU CANAL PROJECT..
by MGR Fan on Sep 15, 2007 09:52 AM Permalink
I used the word "Electric" because, sending goods by electric trains means no need to spend on diesel at all. That is very economical.
Why dont the government think of workable ideas rather than junk ideas?
