How do you define, when you have fair skinned people like Karunanidhi's children and dark skinned pandits ?
What is need to divide people on race when everyone came from same monkeys of East africa, as per darwin?
language and race are not same. A black in USA and a chinese in Singapore speak same english, but they could be of different race. Likewise, what makes people think that those in Harappa and those in Tamilnadu are of same race?
Also why no mention of race in Ramayana or in Tamil Literature?
RE:WHAT EXACTLY IS ARYAN, WHAT IS DRAVIDAN?
by MGR Fan on Sep 16, 2007 05:28 PM Permalink
Also, when DMK leaders have given up Tamil dress and DMK leaders wear pyjama, churidar and they eat Biryani and Chiken tikka instead of idly sambar, taht means they dont dislike NOrth INdia.
So why do you create the Aryan-Dravidan divide, when you are also following north indians?
RE:WHAT EXACTLY IS ARYAN, WHAT IS DRAVIDAN?
by siva kumar on Sep 16, 2007 05:41 PM Permalink
karunanidhi has only quoted what is written by late Indian prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru,
He is not creating any divide as long as some jokers do not try to stumble Sethu project.
For your information Biryani is not north Indin food it s aMoghul gift to India
RE:WHAT EXACTLY IS ARYAN, WHAT IS DRAVIDAN?
by MGR Fan on Sep 16, 2007 05:52 PM Permalink
Dont lie, DMK and periyar are telling this aryan -dravidan stuff right from 1930s...
Nehru was not in picture that time..
You mean to say Mughals are Dravidans and Tamils? Are you joking?
Fact is Tamil Food is abandoned by you DMK peole and you eat north Indian food and same time shout against North Indians. This is hypocrisy.
Hello Imaran patel! our constitution calls India as bharath instead of hindustan because it was written by big hearted Hindu leaders. because their religion taught them tolerance. even though Hindus were chased away from their own homeland claiming that too be pakistan, muslims from this side of the border drawn by an Englishman were allowed to live here in honour again because of the magnanimity and tolerance of Hindu religion. But the situation today makes everyone to rethink whether the ungrateful unpatriotic Muslims deserve such courtesy.The problem with them is not all of them are anti social but the all of them protect such anti social and anti national elements among them because of their religion. Hinduism with all its differences which an oldest religion bound to have does not teach to kill the non beleivers of it and there is no habit of issuing fatwas, public hangings in the name of their God. Most muslims may realise the barbaric practices followed by their religions but dare not to speak fearing violent elements in their society. Indian Muslims have to realise though they follow a religion started in deserts by murderous nomadic tribes Indian Muslims dont have such background.So all the teachings in their holy book are not applicable in India Where great reformers like Buddha and Mahaveer has lived 1000 years before prophet. We have nothing to be taught by an illiterate camel grazer. so follow your religion dont follow which are not applicable in Indin context
RE:constitutionalist
by suhail khan on Sep 16, 2007 06:01 PM Permalink
Dear Siva,
It%u2019s amazing that a person who differentiates mankind on the basis of caste, Jati and color is teaching us how to follow the religion. Does u understand the meaning of the word of religion? What tolerance you are talking about. You are killing your own brothers on the name of religion on the name of cast and on the name of Jati. If you are so tolerant will you allow your daughter to marry a scheduled caste person or will u accept a girl from chamar jati as your daughter in law. Still in many part of India lower caste people are not allowed to enter the temple of upper caste people. For your information Islam is universal religion. It dose not talk of boundaries it talks about universal brotherhood. It leads to ultimate salivation of mankind. You always talk about patriotism but unfortunately most of the people flow this word in writing only. Nobody can be more patriotic then Muslims as Islam teaches to love country, its people and motherland.
RE:RE:constitutionalist
by dharmesh vyas on Sep 16, 2007 06:13 PM Permalink
Islam teaches : JEHAD that is terrorism for achieving Islamic goals.
Killing of innocent people by many ways.
Islam is teaching kill if Kaffir (other then islamic people) do not follow islam religion.
Islam is religion followed under constant fear.
Womens are treated as sex toy - just to produce kids and for pleasure and to have more pleasure go for more then one.
Each muslim knows their BURI NAJAR so they always hide their ladies under Burkha.
Islam does not permit bad habits, But in smuggling, money laundering, hawala, prostitution, commission agent, chori, haram ki kamai, terrorisam, stamp paper scam, land mafia, drugs business everywhenre you will find Muslim's contribution.
If you want to know Islam more then I will give you page no. of SURA - as content is so vulger that this forum will not like.
Give me your e-mail id i will send you for your persual.
RE:RE:RE:constitutionalist
by suhail khan on Sep 16, 2007 06:45 PM Permalink
Dear Dharmesh,
You seems to be very frustrated with Islam and Muslims. The reasons can be many but why you people always refer some of the verses of Quran and then claim ur self as scholars of religion. Every verse of the Quran is having specific background and you have to understand that verse in that background. OK you can not understand this since the truth is that this poison is injected in your veins and you will spill this when ever you get chance. Whether it is in form of insulting religion or killing innocent people in Gujarat.
If you want your wife and daughter to roam around naked then who bothers but why you are gelious of Muslim women wearing burka.
Islam has given women the ultimate respect. It protects women%u2019s from traitors and false religion followers like you.
You can not blame Islam for bad things done by some of the handful of Muslims. In prostitution, smuggling and other vices all religion people are involved you can not pin point Muslims only. There are many Hindus who take bribe, drink alcohol, and enjoy the money from the coffins of our soldiers who has died for the country. Rapes women and make them unmarried mothers and so on.
Viyas stop throwing stones on others when you are living in glass house.
RE:constitutionalist
by karteik kotagiri on Sep 16, 2007 06:09 PM Permalink
suhail, islam talks abt brother hood of muslims not human beings. It differentites between believers of it and non believers of it. bhagavad gita,vedas, upanishads do not talk abt caste. Also many hindus these days dont bother abt caste.
Just like Jinnah who created Hindu-Muslim divide, finally leading to partition...
DMK wants a Racial divide and finally create second partition.
But tell me, why did Dravidan Cholas and Pandyas kept on fighting for centuries? Or is it that one of them is aryan, one dravidan? Then how come both spoke tamil?
RE:DMK CREATING RACE PROBLEM WHEN THERE IS NONE...
by MGR Fan on Sep 16, 2007 05:21 PM Permalink
AMbedkhar firmly rejected the concept of Aryan_Dravidian Divide .
He knows better, he hismelf is light skinned. Indians are khichdi of different races. Creating race problem is new way of creating NOrth south Divide
RE:Blame game ?
by MGR Fan on Sep 16, 2007 05:17 PM Permalink
Ignore the fundies. They are may be 1-2% of population and they were rejected in last elections.
But what DMK is doing is horrible and sounds Nazist... They are bigger threat
RE:Blame game ?
by karteik kotagiri on Sep 16, 2007 06:00 PM Permalink
teaching hindus abt national interest is like teaching an old man how to cough. destruction of sethu samudram has a distrastrous impact on the livelihoods of thousands of fisherman living in the area close to the bridge, and also it will have a tremendous environmental impact on the nearby areas according to many environmentalaists. So it is against national interest to destroy. Also the sands near the rama sethu are rich in thorium, so if the bridge is detroyed, half the sands will be washed away.
RE:Blame game ?
by vijayaraghavan srinivasamurthi on Sep 16, 2007 05:43 PM Permalink
Karunanidhi himself wants to be god.Ram is Irritating him!. See the praise he is getting when he is on a dias. He likes people who levels or praises him close to god !!. He is a Chauvenist. He started his TV on Vinayaka Chathurthi day and he will claim that he started the TV on Anna's Birthday !!
RE:Blame game ?
by MGR Fan on Sep 16, 2007 05:22 PM Permalink
There is no religion problem here. Problem comes when DMK is creating race issue and saying it as North-South Issue. Sethu project is not just religion. It is plain waste of money.
RE:Blame game ?
by maranare nambi on Sep 16, 2007 06:11 PM Permalink
yah often i feel lot of people write here bad about muslims, which should be avoided. This ram issue is purely a creation of Karunanithi and his aide minister T.R.Balu. Karunanithi openly called Lord Ram's name in Singular (only in indian language you will know the difference in calling peoplelike that)who is this ram, in which eng. college he got the degree and so on. he uttered these same words on Sep 15 in a meeting Erode near coimbatore and i happen to see that in a TV. let subramaniyam swami do something about it also
RE:CONSTITUTION SAYS SO MANY THINGS - WILL YOU AGREE ALL THAT..
by MGR Fan on Sep 16, 2007 05:07 PM Permalink
Constitution does not discriminate or promote race concept in India. But the DMK openly promotes race divide. No different from Togadia or Taliban
RE:CONSTITUTION SAYS SO MANY THINGS - WILL YOU AGREE ALL THAT..
by MGR Fan on Sep 16, 2007 05:20 PM Permalink
You have never read it first. Constitution explicitly says that State shall not differentiate based on religion.
Sachar commission is itself wrong. Govt should help poor people of all religions. It is obvious that constitution is not read by you and you read some propaganda text and call it constitution
imran and other fellows of same thinking, see the world ESPECIALLY INDIA with open mind. I believe u r young and IT IS THE GLASSES which some people sometime put on their eyes and they just see the colour they already selected(glases). Read good books and try to respect all religion.
RE:Denying Ram is denying India
by imran patel on Sep 16, 2007 04:35 PM Permalink
i AGREE with you on respecting all religions. I do NOT want religion to be a part of government. Be it in India or in any MUSLIM country.
RE:Denying Ram is denying India
by iluvtaj on Sep 16, 2007 04:43 PM Permalink
hey imran i posted in your post "STOP SUPPORTING POLITICAL PARTIES BLINDLY" something for you but u r not answering, why??
RE:Denying Ram is denying India
by imran patel on Sep 16, 2007 04:49 PM Permalink
Iluvtaj,
I am a Constitutionalist. If our country was named as Hind or Hindustan, then I would have gladly said it. But Hind/Hindustan refers to the greater India under British rule and prior including Pakistan, Bangladesh and other territories that are NOT part of modern day India.
The constitution say India or Bharat. I believe it is wrong to say Jai Hind. I know people have been doing this for ages. But after 1947, the term Hind/Hindustan has no significance.
I also saw people refer India as "MATA". I am NOT a Nationalist BUT a Constitutionalist. I respect the LAW of the land I live in, but I do not consider myself superior just because I am from India. If we do that, we are being racist in a way. Please say that this land feeds us. You and I both know the influence of Globalization. We get food produce from all over the world now. The concept of MATA is Nationalistic and NOT constitutional.
RE:RE:Denying Ram is denying India
by MGR Fan on Sep 16, 2007 05:05 PM Permalink
Ask your DMK Govt in TN to first get out of managing Hindu temples. That is, if you really believei n Constitution
RE:STOP SUPPORTING POLITICAL PARTIES BLINDLY...
by vivek bansal on Sep 16, 2007 04:29 PM Permalink
Yes,we should stop supporting political parties who are setting up minority banks out of majority money paid them as tax. We should stop supporting parties who won the elections with open support of naxal,ulfa, muslim fundamentalist.
RE:STOP SUPPORTING POLITICAL PARTIES BLINDLY...
by imran patel on Sep 16, 2007 04:33 PM Permalink
Still you do NOT get the point... No wonder these political parties and their leaders (Less educated than you in many cases) are successfull in deceiving you in the name of religion. If you oppose Muslim Fundamentalist, then you must oppose all types of Fundamentalist, be it hindu or christian.
RE:STOP SUPPORTING POLITICAL PARTIES BLINDLY...
by iluvtaj on Sep 16, 2007 04:37 PM Permalink
Dear imran i agree to your point, but why you cant say "JAI HIND" is it from religion OR FUNDAMENTALIST.
RE:STOP SUPPORTING POLITICAL PARTIES BLINDLY...
by iluvtaj on Sep 16, 2007 04:34 PM Permalink
yes IMRAN now you have written this CORRECT, i appreciate your view.
BUT PLEASE SAY "JAI HIND" or tell me why you cant say JAI HIND. IS JAI HIND RELIGIOUS ???
RE:STOP SUPPORTING POLITICAL PARTIES BLINDLY...
by imran patel on Sep 16, 2007 04:45 PM Permalink
Iluvtaj, I am a Constitutionalist. If our country was named as Hind or Hindustan, then I would have gladly said it. But Hind/Hindustan refers to the greater India under British rule and prior including Pakistan, Bangladesh and other territories that are NOT part of modern day India.
The constitution say India or Bharat. I believe it is wrong to say Jai Hind. I know people have been doing this for ages. But after 1947, the term Hind/Hindustan has no significance.
I also saw people refer India as "MATA". I am NOT a Nationalist BUT a Constitutionalist. I respect the LAW of the land I live in, but I do not consider myself superior just because I am from India. If we do that, we are being racist in a way. Please say that this land feeds us. You and I both know the influence of Globalization. We get food produce from all over the world now. The concept of MATA is Nationalistic and NOT constitutional.
RE:STOP SUPPORTING POLITICAL PARTIES BLINDLY...
by iluvtaj on Sep 16, 2007 05:01 PM Permalink
some of the things u said are correct, I do use word HINDUSTAN even while talking to pakis while they (PAKIS) always use HINDUSTAN, may be you can see in all documentaries too, in fact the word HINDUSTAN was highly popularize by JINNAH the man who played main role in PARTITIONING GREAT INDIA.
Now coming to point JAI HIND, as normal citizen of INDIA, it is not COMPULSORY to say this. BUT your arguements always convey me message that u CORRELATE HIND with religion.
RE:RE:RE:STOP SUPPORTING POLITICAL PARTIES BLINDLY...
by iluvtaj on Sep 16, 2007 05:23 PM Permalink
yes DON i am boss, patriotic son of great INDIA, and REMEMBER i am INDIAN first then a HINDU. I told this to you yesterday also.
FOR UNITY OF INDIA and to KICK PEOPLE LIKE YOU I CAN DO ANYTHING, i am writing the sacred thing of one of the great religions of the world, but my MUSLIM brothers please forgive me if i write anything wrong
La ilaha il Allah, Muhammad-ur-Rasool-Allah
NOW CAN YOU SAY "JAI HIND", VANDE MATARAM BHARAT MATA KI JAI
IF YOU CANT then i request please leave this forum
Ram as affectionate to animals and birds 17 millions of year ago. You people followed untouchables for the last 30 centuries. Hence the religion of Rama can not be yours. First search in which corner of the world it is, 20 centuries ago Christ was born in the reign of Augustus Caesar, Mohammed lived 14 centuries ago, Buddha is having the chronology dating back to 26 centuries back. But Ram and co can be dated back to 17 million years ago. You ask a child, How much he ate? It would be widened arms. Children are equal to God, Hence such million years ago can be accepted as divine. This simpleton nature of Indians , joined with the divisions in the society, Attracted our neighbors to invade and rule us. So first unite , which is impossible as cheating / corruption has been the way of life.
RE:million years ago
by iluvtaj on Sep 16, 2007 04:24 PM Permalink
i read that but it has nothing to do with RAM and its existence and also with this project.
RE:million years ago
by imran patel on Sep 16, 2007 04:27 PM Permalink
Read this story and you will know how manipulative these political parties are...
RE:boss is back again
by iluvtaj on Sep 16, 2007 04:30 PM Permalink
imran and other fellows of same thinking, see the world ESPECIALLY INDIA with open mind. I believe u r young and IT IS THE GLASSES which some people sometime put on their eyes and they just see the colour they already selected(glases). Read good books and try to respect all religion.
