RE:Rama's father
by Perv Sharma on Sep 20, 2007 09:37 AM Permalink
Certainly not a Holy Spirit that managed to dig Jesus Christ out of his grave and carry in front of his ten disciples
RE:RE:Rama's father
by rashmi sahu on Sep 20, 2007 10:33 AM Permalink
Evidence of existence of aircraft are also found in the Arthashastra of Kautilya (c. 3rd century b.c.). Kautilya mentions amongst various tradesmen and technocrats the saubhikas as %u2018pilots conducting vehicles in the sky%u2019. Saubha was the name of the aerial flying city of King Harishchandra and the form saubika means %u2018one who flies or knows the art of flying an aerial city%u2019. Kautilya uses another significant word, akasa yodhinah, which has been translated as %u2018persons who are trained to fight from the sky%u2019. The existence of aerial chariots, in whatever form it might be, was so well-known that it found a place among the royal edicts of Emperor Asoka and which were executed during his reign from 256-237 b.c. It is interesting to note that the Academy of Sanskrit Research in Melkote, near Mandya, had been commissioned by the Aeronautical Research Development Board, New Delhi, to take up a one-year study on %u2018Non-conventional Approach to Aeronautics%u2019, on the basis of Vaimaanika Shastra. As a result of the research, a glass-like material which cannot be detected by radar has been developed by Prof. Dongre, a research scholar of Benaras Hindu University. A plane coated with this unique material cannot be detected using radar. But perhaps the most interesting thing about the Indian science of aeronautics and Bharadwaja%u2019s research in the field was that they were successfully tested in actual practice by an Indian over a 100 years ago. In 1895, full eight years before the Wright Broth
RE:RE:RE:Rama's father
by rashmi sahu on Sep 20, 2007 10:35 AM Permalink
Bharadwaja%u2019s research in the field was that they were successfully tested in actual practice by an Indian over a 100 years ago. In 1895, full eight years before the Wright Brothers%u2019 first flight at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina, USA, Shivkar Bapuji Talpade and his wife gave a thrilling demonstration flight on Chowpatty beach in Mumbai. An even more astonishing feature of Talpade%u2019s aircraft was the power source he used%u2014an ion engine. The theory of the ion engine has been credited to Robert Goddard, long recognised as the father of liquid-fuel rocketry. It is claimed that in 1906, long before Goddard launched his first modern rocket, his imagination had conceived the concept of an ion rocket. But the fact is that not only had the idea of an ion engine been conceived long before Dr Goddard, it had also been materialised in the form of Talpade%u2019s aircraft. Talpade, a resident of Mumbai, was an erudite scholar of Sanskrit literature, especially of the Vedas, an inventor and a teacher in the School of Arts. His deep study of the Vedas led him to construct an aeroplane in conformity with the descriptions of the aircraft available in the Vedas and he displayed it in an exhibition arranged by the Bombay Art Society in the Town Hall. Its proving the star attraction of the exhibition encouraged its maker to delve deeper into the matter and see if the plane could be flown with the aid of mercurial pressure. For, the one hundred-and-ninetieth richa (verse) of the Rig Veda and the aeronaut
RE:RE:RE:RE:Rama's father
by rashmi sahu on Sep 20, 2007 10:36 AM Permalink
For, the one hundred-and-ninetieth richa (verse) of the Rig Veda and the aeronautical treatise of Bharadwaja mention that flying machines came into full operation when the power of the sun%u2019s rays, mercury and another chemicals called naksha rasas were blended together. This energy was, it seems, stored in something like an accumulator or storage batteries. The Vedas refer to eight different engines in the plane and Bharadwaja adds that they are worked by electricity. Talpade carried on his research along these lines and constructed an aeroplane. In his experiments he was aided by his wife, also a deep scholar of the Vedic lore, and an architect-friend. The plane combined the constructional characteristics of both Pushpaka and Marut Sakha, the sixth and eighth types of aircraft described by Bharadwaja. It was named Marut Sakha meaning %u201Cfriend of the wind%u201D. With this plane, this pioneer airman of modern India gave a demonstration flight on the Chowpatty beach in Mumbai in the year 1895. The machine attained a height of about 1,500 feet and then automatically landed safely. The flight was witnessed, among many others, by Shri Sayajirao Gaekwad, the Maharaja of Baroda and Justice Govind Ranade and was reported in the Kesari, a leading Marathi daily newspaper. They were impressed by the feat and rewarded the talented inventor.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Rama's father
by rashmi sahu on Sep 20, 2007 10:36 AM Permalink
Unfortunately, Talpade lost interest in things after his wife%u2019s death, and after his own death in 1917 at the age of 53, his relatives sold the machine to the Rally Brothers, a leading British exporting firm then operating in Mumbai. Thus, the first ever attempt at flying in modern India, undertaken and made successful by an Indian, in a plane of Indian manufacture and built to Indian scientific specifications, slid into the limbo of oblivion.
RE:Rama's father
by rashmi sahu on Sep 20, 2007 10:30 AM Permalink
Ancient Sanskrit literature is full of descriptions of flying machines%u2014vimanas. From the many documents found, it is evident that the scientist-sages Agastya and Bharadwaja had developed the lore of aircraft construction. The Agastya Samhita gives Agastya%u2019s descriptions on two types of aeroplanes. The first is a chchatra (umbrella or balloon) to be filled with hydrogen. The process of extracting hydrogen from water is described in elaborate detail and the use of electricity in achieving this is clearly stated. This was considered to be a primitive type of plane, useful only for escaping from a fort when the enemy had set fire to the jungle all around. Hence the name agniyana. The second type of aircraft mentioned is somewhat on the lines of the parachute. It could be opened and shut by operating chords. This aircraft has been described as vimanadvigunam, i.e. of a lower order than the regular aeroplane. The process of extracting hydrogen from water is described in elaborate detail and the use of electricity in achieving this is clearly stated. Aeronautics or Vaimaanika Shastra is a part of Yantra Sarvasva of Bharadwaja. This is also known as Brihadvimaana Shastra. Vaimaanika Shastra deals with aeronautics, including the design of aircraft, the way they can be used for transportation and other applications, in detail. The knowledge of aeronautics is described in Sanskrit in 100 sections, eight chapters, 500 principles and 3,000 shlokas. Great sage Bharadwaja ex
RE:RE:Rama's father
by rashmi sahu on Sep 20, 2007 10:31 AM Permalink
Aeronautics or Vaimaanika Shastra is a part of Yantra Sarvasva of Bharadwaja. This is also known as Brihadvimaana Shastra. Vaimaanika Shastra deals with aeronautics, including the design of aircraft, the way they can be used for transportation and other applications, in detail. The knowledge of aeronautics is described in Sanskrit in 100 sections, eight chapters, 500 principles and 3,000 shlokas. Great sage Bharadwaja explained the construction of aircraft and the way to fly it in air, on land, on water and use the same aircraft like a submarine. He also described the construction of war-planes and fighter aircraft. Vaimaanika Shastra explains the metals and alloys and other required material, which can make an aircraft imperishable in any condition. Planes which will not break (abhedya), or catch fire (adaahya) and which cannot be cut (achchedya) have been described. Along with the treatise, there are diagrams on three types of aeroplanes%u2014Sundara, Shukana and Rukma.
RE:RE:RE:Rama's father
by rashmi sahu on Sep 20, 2007 10:31 AM Permalink
The aircraft is classified into three types%u2014Mantrika, Tantrika and Kritaka, to suit different yugas or eras. In krita yuga, it is said, Dharma was well established. The people of that time had the divinity to reach any place using their ashtasiddhis. The aircraft used in treta yuga are called Mantrika vimana, flown by the power of hymns (mantras). Twenty-five varieties of aircraft including Pushpaka vimana belong to this era. The aircraft used in dwapara yuga were called Tantrika vimana, flown by the power of tantras. Fifty-six varieties of aircraft including Bhairava and Nandaka belong to this era. The aircraft used in kali yuga, the on-going yuga, are called Kritaka vimana, flown by the power of engines. Twenty-five varieties of aircraft including Sundara, Shukana and Rukma belong to this era. Bharadwaja states that there are 32 secrets of the science of aeronautics. Of these, some are astonishing and some indicate an advance even beyond our own times. For instance, the secret of para shabda graaha, i.e. a cabin for listening to the conversation in another plane, has been explained by elaborately describing an electrically worked sound-receiver
RE:RE:RE:RE:Rama's father
by rashmi sahu on Sep 20, 2007 10:32 AM Permalink
that did the trick. Manufacture of different types of instruments and putting them together to form an aircraft are also described. It appears that aerial warfare was also not unknown, for the treatise gives the techniques of shatru vimana kampana kriya, and shatru vimana nashana kriya, i.e. shaking and destroying enemy aircraft, as well as photographing enemy planes, rendering their occupants unconscious and making one%u2019s own plane invisible. In Vastraadhikarana, the chapter describing the dress and other material required while flying, talks in detail about the clotheswear for both the pilot and the passenger separately. Ahaaraadhikarana is yet another section exclusively dealing with the food habits of a pilot. This has a variety of guidelines for pilots to maintain their health through strict diet. Bharadwaja also provides a bibliography. He had consulted six treatises by six different authors previous to him and he gives their names and the names of their works in the following order: Vimana Chandrika by Narayanamuni; Vyoma Yana Mantrah by Shaunaka; Yantra Kalpa by Garga; Yana Bindu by Vachaspati; Kheta Yaana Pradeepika by Chaakraayani; Vyoma Yaanarka Prakasha by Dundi Natha. As before Bharadwaja, after him too there have been Sanskrit writers on aeronautics and there were four commentaries on his work. The names of the commentators are Bodh Deva, Lalla, Narayana Shankha and Vishwambhara. Vaimaanika Shastra explains the metals and alloys and other required mat
Have mercy on the old fellow ! When Karunanidhi gets up in the morning, looks at the mirror, he faints to see the ugliest face on earth. How can he have any respect for God for doing this to him ?
RE:THE UGLY DUCKLINGAM
by Marco Polo on Sep 20, 2007 12:54 PM Permalink
Isn't the word Karunanidhi a Sanskrit word? How come this Hindu,Sanskrit hater still go around with this name?
RE:Rama is still troubling....
by avinash sharma on Sep 19, 2007 05:23 PM Permalink
this is very funny...u are a funny man. dont u understand u fool? he is beyond your crticism. i am sure u are a dravidian full of hatred. keep on hating Ram but he will still love you and forgive u.
RE:Rama is still troubling....
by Manu on Sep 19, 2007 05:46 PM Permalink
OK Mahesh, al least you believe that there was a king named Rama, still better than your boss karunanidhi
RE:Rama is still troubling....
by ems nnn on Sep 19, 2007 06:52 PM Permalink
Is it Sri Rama Vs Kalaignar??? The battle begun?? God in his true form is beyond imagination, the five senses and cannot be associated to a name such as God. The individual soul and God is one and the same . Everything is God. Lord Ram knows his true nature (of self) that He is the omnipresent God ; and the body and mind is association due to Maya. So we worship God in His form as Lord Sree Rama . Politicians of India must learn to respect the religious sentiments of all people and should be careful while making statements. After making some foolish statements why to blame Lord Rama???
RE:Rama is still troubling....
by Marco Polo on Sep 20, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
Very unprobable that a wife be a virgin!!Think before you write.Agnipariksha is only symbolic and Lady Sita has shown her disapproval of Rama the MAN in a dignified way in Ramayana.Not like our Godly virgins and superhuman sons of God who don't have any human tendencies.
As per me the only reason for somuch abuse is the prevalance of a great social evil the caste system in hindus for so long.
This has resulted in SC hindus hating all upper castes with unbelieveable venom. And it is justified to some extent.
Butis reversin the process a solution? is abusing lord ram a solution? the evil called caste system must be eradicated. and it is difficult not because of uppercastes of SC's. it is difficult because of politicians and SC converted Christians who has now the money power and hatred of the church behind them.
but for ALL THOSE WHO ARE STILL HINDUS, WHETHER SC'S OR OBC'S OR RAJPOOTS OR BRAHMINS, WE MUST UNDERSTAND that caste system is an evil which must be competely eradicated.
And I am sure inspite of converted christians and their venomous hearts, inspite of corrupt politicians, Hindus will survive this ordeal.
RE:Secular Act
by srinivasan mv on Sep 19, 2007 02:52 PM Permalink
Congress in fact is anti secular. DMK is another Barbarian party. These people call themselves secular.
RE:Secular Act
by Marco Polo on Sep 19, 2007 09:28 PM Permalink
where was their secularism when Shah Bano case verdct ewas sabotaged by Rajiv Gandhi and his chamchas.?
Contrary to popular beliefs, the word Hindu, or Hinduism is a very recent word. There was no religion called Hinduism in ancient times. Has anyone seen the word 'Hinduism' or 'Hindu' in any ancient literatures?
Instead, there were many religions, called shaivism, vaishnavism, advaida, dvaida, shakthism..etc.. apart from many deities like, family deities, regional deities,..etc..What all these 'religions' had in common was, they all had similar ways of worship, idols, rituals, festivals, etc. At the time of British rule, all these little religions, major religions, etc... were all classified under one name called 'Hinduism' for simplification. The words "Hinduism" or "Hindu" is THAT recent.
Infact, 'Hindu' is a persian word, the sanskrit word for that is 'Sindu' which is the Indus river.
So...a persian word, used by British to classify a diverse group of people worshipping diverse forms of gods, with their own distinct traditions, beliefs, literature...etc..is now called one religion (or a way of life as some people call) called 'Hinduism'. The British made a big mistake by unifying all these people under one classification
RE:When was the word 'Hindu' or 'Hinduism' first coined?
by AbdulHaque Shaikh on Sep 20, 2007 11:52 PM Permalink
British classfied us living in the subcontinent as Indians as a cultural entity no matter our religion was. Similarly, not Persian, But Arabs first coined the word Hindu for people with same cultural identity living in the Subcontinent. Just as now, the time Arabs entered in year 800 in the subcontinent, there were many religions and these religions were fighting with each other. Many stupid Hindutva people do not know but it was only the Muslim rulars who united many warring regions of the subcontinent and give it a proud name of Hindustan. Bharat which stupid hindutva has named this landwas a small region in the Northwest of the subcontinent probaly now in Pakistan.Few Muslim came here from outside, But majority converted from inside. But the Muslim always faught against outside invaders and were and are always proud of their beloved Hindustan. It is later that Hidutva stupids caused Muslim to ask for a seperate country and Hindutva showed their true colors of betryal just as they had shown at the time their ancestor were destroying Buddhism and later causing Hindustan to be weak and ripe for British and now Capitalist invadors.
RE:When was the word 'Hindu' or 'Hinduism' first coined?
by on Sep 21, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
If they were so found of their Hindustan, why the hell they ransacked the temples all over india (Ayodya, Mathura & Kashi are just few examples). Recently too what happend to so many temples in Kashmir.OK, what is happening in Kashmir. It is not the Hindus who caused Muslims to ask for a seperate land, it is Britishers & Muslim seperatists...
RE:When was the word 'Hindu' or 'Hinduism' first coined?
by Perv Sharma on Sep 20, 2007 09:46 AM Permalink
Hindu name was coined by PERSIANS ? When ISlam spread the Persians knew that there was only one place where they could practice their religion with PeACE and that was in HINDUSTAN where they are living peacefully till today since around 600 A.D. EVER heard of a RIOT betweeen PARSIS AND HINDUS since 600 A.D.
RE:When was the word 'Hindu' or 'Hinduism' first coined?
by srinivasan mv on Sep 19, 2007 02:54 PM Permalink
So, what? Even other religions in the world were product of unification of different tribes under sword. Mr. JB!! It is a mistake Hindus tolerate people like you.
Unfortunately, as a scheduled caste Hindu whose family has borne the brunt to atrocities perpetuated by high caste Hindus, not so much as the Brahmins as the other higher castes, it is unfortunate that most of your respondents have ceased considering that Hinduism has never, repeat, never been a religion. It is only a way of life and that is what it is likely to remain so in the future also. It is absolutely irrelevent to consider Hinduism in the same line as Christianity and Islam, both of which are Abrahamic Religions and based on one Book, Bible and Koran respectively. The problem with all religions and more so with Hinduism that that the believers like Tarun Vijay talk of a religion which is unitary in character and belief and nothing can be farther from truth. People like Tarun Vijay mislead people to believing that Hinduism has one face whereas this is one religion which is deeply divided to the extent that it is almost excluvist in nature. Dalits are still denied entry in many of the temples of Northern India where the high caste Hindus carry out atrocities against Dalits with impunity. People like Tarun Vijay should devote their life to bring out a massive reform movement in Hinduism to include Dalits rather than stress the Brahmanical aspects of Hinduism to forge a unity among Hindus where none exist in their so called battle against Christianity and Islam.
RE:Hinduism is only a way of Life and not a Religion!
by Mike on Sep 20, 2007 05:18 AM Permalink
Mr.Rajendran..read this.. Why are you denying to call Hinduism as a religion when it has all the elements that characterize a religion? Let's check each of these.
1. Scriptures: Hinduism has them. 2. Doctrines: Hinduism has them. 3. Sacred Space: sanctified places of worship and pilgrimage. Hinduism has them. 4. Sacred Time: feasts and fasts. Hinduism has them. 5. Sacred Persons: priests and monastics. Hinduism has them. 6. Rituals: Hinduism has them. 7. Sacraments: sanctification of the important stages of life. Hinduism has them. 8. Mysticism: Hinduism has it. 9. Code of Ethics: Hinduism has it. 10. Contemplative practices: Hinduism has them. 11. Humanism: Hinduism has it.
The cultural part makes Hinduism more than a religion. It is here that it is also a way of life. One need not exclude the other.
RE:Hinduism is only a way of Life and not a Religion!
by avinash sharma on Sep 19, 2007 01:10 PM Permalink
actually the religion which should be practiced is vedant, which talks about one supreme being as brahm. the point of all origin. but to react there one has to be a very advanced spiritual being and rise above the social evils like caste system. if u read 'what religion is' by swami vivekananda, it give u an insight as to what our religion actually is. what u see everyday is just the first step owards relaization by a non-advanced hindu. what comes later, wgich is also called nirgun bhakti is different. also, as far as your viws abot uniformity are concerned, i agree with you.hinduism is not a unilateral faith. but then apart from islam, which is highly theocratical, almost cult lke, you will find many differences in all religions. like diiferent churches in christianity, protestants and catholics etc etec. lastly, Dalits must be uplifted if hinduism is to survive. they must be a part of the mainstream. it is already happening. u cant den it. look at UP, upper castes and dlaits brought mayawati to power. Actually OBC's are the people who really committ atrocities on dalits, and dalit leadres are afraid to counter them, beacuse of their strength.
RE:Hinduism is only a way of Life and not a Religion!
by ashish on Sep 19, 2007 01:28 PM Permalink
oh gosh the shiv sainik avinash is back talkin of dalits and sc ha wat a joker ,how many shops did ur hindu gang burn today?
RE:Hinduism is only a way of Life and not a Religion!
by Lenus Roy on Sep 20, 2007 09:32 AM Permalink
Yes, Mr. Rajendran is correct and ashish too. Hi Avinash, there is no need for an Indian to be a hindhu. For Indians the main obstacle is their religious belief. This is the reason why they struggle to come up, just see china how they flourish, remember there is no "RAM" or "Allah" to stop their progress
RE:Hinduism is only a way of Life and not a Religion!
by Mahendra Patel on Oct 01, 2007 04:42 AM Permalink
You are Forgetting Cultural Revolution By MAO were Million of Their MEN were Eliminated, For What?.
Tell Me Their Logic.
It is NIXON who opened up China as Counter force to Russia.
RE:RE:Hinduism is only a way of Life and not a Religion!
by Marco Polo on Sep 20, 2007 11:58 AM Permalink
Oh,what great thought.We only need to be like China,manufacture plastic junk and export all over the world,care a damnn about environment,and let Vatican convert everyone by AD2030.What planning!!!Why don't you go live in China and convert everyone to Indian version of churchianity?
RE:Hinduism is only a way of Life and not a Religion!
by Perv Sharma on Sep 20, 2007 09:54 AM Permalink
CHINA is flourishing by using its military might on its people ? If the GOVT wants a building down - then down it goes ? The citizens don't have much right ? ARE U Mr LENUS ROY ready to forget UR RIGHTS ? And china or INDIA succeeds will come out later - they both are progressing its just that China started the process earlier
RE:RE:Hinduism is only a way of Life and not a Religion!
by avinash sharma on Sep 19, 2007 03:54 PM Permalink
as for u u pathetic convert, u are no longer an indian. u are a 3rd grade citzen of america. so why this interest in india? is a indian still alive inside u? is a hindu still alive somewhere inside u? is that why even after converting u havent changed ur name? u are so obsessed with cows. actually it is not hate that drives u back, ur roots pull u.
RE:Hinduism is only a way of Life and not a Religion!
by Marco Polo on Sep 19, 2007 10:40 PM Permalink
Ashish is a name widely used by the Christian converts who might be mistaking this Sanskrit word as a Hebrew name!!!.... They are anti-Hindu but want to use Sanskrit names.
RE:Hinduism is only a way of Life and not a Religion!
by avinash sharma on Sep 19, 2007 03:52 PM Permalink
dear mr thomas so u wont let them change now? u want the situation to remain the same? whats the harm in admitting a historical wrong?
RE:Hinduism is only a way of Life and not a Religion!
by Marco Polo on Sep 19, 2007 09:26 PM Permalink
Avinash u are right.Christianity has fished in troubled waters for ages and now their game is not so hitting the spot.Hence this lamenting.
RE:Hinduism is only a way of Life and not a Religion!
by Marco Polo on Sep 20, 2007 01:23 PM Permalink
Lying is the monopoly of Xians.They developed it into an art and wrote Bible,
RE:Why not question the existance of other gods
by Muralidharan R on Sep 19, 2007 11:26 AM Permalink
Yes, of course. If they can prove the existence of Allah or Jesus, I will prove the existence of Lord Ram
RE:Why not question the existance of other gods
by Marco Polo on Sep 19, 2007 09:29 PM Permalink
They wouldn't want to show the exact details of the existence of Christ,because many details would be anti to what the church says and would bring embarrassment.
RE:Why not question the existance of other gods
by Mahendra Patel on Oct 01, 2007 04:51 AM Permalink
We do not need to prove any thing, they don't need to know, Hinduism was, is and will remain
world only Religion rooted in Mother INDIA, It's root are seeped into everyday Life of INDIA.
Let those who don't Like this Try Country Like PAKISTAN Which is has nothing to Hold it to Gether, or China- where Mao Killed MILLIONS of its own CITIZEN, FOR WHAT? Let Fanatics and Communist answere this before we answere their smart questions.
