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by Perv Sharma on Sep 25, 2007 12:44 PM Permalink
Anto - that's what U R ? Born to a Virgin Mary ? - I know who fuc... her ? As usual the Father of the Church - i.e. God's man ... ha ha ha and now they fuc.. small Christian children every other day ?
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by Perv Sharma on Sep 25, 2007 12:48 PM Permalink
And U still go the Church every sunday ? A Sentimental Fool isn't it?
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by manjunatha on Sep 24, 2007 09:14 PM Permalink
Hi everybody, we've just seen what this maran has written bt Rama....well, he's not the only one in the country, is it? we have to look at the wider picture ...if someone dose'nt believe in rama/hinduism, then that's really upto them. But why wud anyone impose their ideas especially with respect to religion on someone else? this question nd debate of whether god exists does happen only in hinduism ....rarely in other religions, isn't it? there has never been major debates over existence of alla or jesus...why is that?purely because these people are more united and more so because they respect other's beliefs while sticking to their own.. why cn't hindus do the same....especially people like maran who r supposedly educated? it si because of such people taht we are today ruled by a forigner sonia gandhi who is all ready to spread christianity n to teh country. the more united hindus are the more difficult her job is.
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by nagabhushanasastry kaipa on Sep 25, 2007 04:05 AM Permalink
I fully agree with manjunatha.The denigration of hindu Gods was done byforeignmissionaries.They converted lakhsof hindus by poisoning their minds.They only tell seemingly ridiculous things and deride hinduism.Our gullible brothern believe what all they say,accept the monetary and other incentives given,and get cheated.For this conversion money flows from christian sources.Some ridiculous things arein every religion. To check this curruption by others,it is suggested to propagate that ALL HINDUS 1. are same.The frofessions that they follow are of their choice.Nobody is to be looked down because of their proffession or colour of theskin. 2. must help each other and unite infront of others. 3.must acquire atleast minimum knowledge of the teachings of hinduism.,try to learn from elders the real implications,Hinduism or sanatana dharma is an ocean of knowledge. 4.shouldnot show hatred towards criticsbecause they are ignorant and misguided.Try to bring them to your path throughproper explanation. 3.keep a fraction of theirearnings to help poor hindus.If you cannot do your self you can donate to any hindu organization(ramakrishna mutt.etc). 4.WHILE VOTING, VOTE ONLY TO A PARTY WHICH CAN PROTECT HINDU INTERESTS.and not repeat not to pseudo secularists and communists as they had already forsaken their motherland and interested only in creating divisions to gain votes 5.It is also essential to reconvert our mis guided brothers to hinduism.Let us plead withour spiritual gurus t
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by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 25, 2007 10:32 AM Permalink
I agree but just writing here is only part of the solution.
See how easily they try to split up the Hindus using BOGUS THEORIES or outright lies/distortions t split us up.
Aryan vs. Dravidian
North vs. South
Brahmin vs non-Brahmin.
etc.
When Sanatana Dharma is understod and practiced then this cannot happen. For that ALL of the Hindus need to put forth some effort to educate themselves and help their fellow Hindus, not just think about me, me, me.
When that happens no one can stop the "Eternal Truth" form being known.
RE:Entire world LOUGH at us :-0
by Perv Sharma on Sep 24, 2007 02:58 PM Permalink
DO U know how many Millions of Innocent Hindus have been killed by Followers of ISLAM or JESUS ?
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by S Anto on Sep 24, 2007 03:03 PM Permalink
I dont know can u tell how many?? U hindus are killing and crushing fellow hindus in the name of god and castes.can u stop this?
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by Perv Sharma on Sep 25, 2007 12:47 PM Permalink
Hindus crushing other hindus may be ? But we when kill each other in the name of God ? Fool Hindus have never fought in the name of God ? Hindus never killed each other because one worhsipped Shiva or the other Vishnu ?
Unlike U double mouthed worhsippers of ONE GOD ? Protestants killing CAtholics and burning each other Alive ? or your younger brothers the ISLAMISTS - killing each other only because one is SHIA and the other SUNNI ?
RE:Entire world LOUGH at us :-0
by Perv Sharma on Sep 25, 2007 12:41 PM Permalink
Why don't you rather worry about UR FATHERS of the Church not fuc.... up UR Chidren every other day when U go into that Black Box to tell a Confession ?
The Pope has said that only Catholics are true christians ? Wonder what U are ?
Have U heard about the Christian Crusaders ? The most barbaric Christian era ? The Churches today clearly say they are ashamed of that ?
U got more problems created by U R One God Religion than ours ? Worry about that ?
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by Tejas Saajny on Sep 24, 2007 05:16 PM Permalink
Mr. Maaran please stop this debate. If you would have made such kind of statements in any Islamic or Christian countries, you would be no more today. Because you are in India don't think that you can bluff whatever you want.
The Ram Sethu issue is not just the issue of belief it is the issue of environment and pollusion also. Just because it will benefit Tamil Nadu, you need not to make these kind of statements. If it is really helpful to the country (Not just TN) Then you prove that with all the scientific facts. These idiots are not able to justify the project thats why they are unnecessarily creating such useless controversy.
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by susi soni on Sep 27, 2007 10:35 PM Permalink
we never faced in the name of ram but by people who are like ravan. ram is untouched.
WAH! Denying his own god by none other than a HINDU. Many of modern Hindus acquired this habbit of questioning the existance of god. But, how many of them really understand Hinduism? It is just a reflection of ignorance about the religious faiths and philosophies. A hindu is not born, but he is made. It is true in other religions too. It is home, neighbourhood and nearest social system which shapes an individual to understand the religious faith, believes etc. THE STATE OF QUESTIONING THE GOD BY A HINDU IS JUST A REFLECTION OF FAILURE OF THESE ACTORS/ SYSTEM IN MAKING OF THE INDIVIDUAL AS HINDU. Many other relgions are doing this job nicely whcih amkes an individual very strong in his faith. How many of our parents compel us to follow religious activities like praying god regularly, follow fasting, visiting mandirs etc? In my view, if a hindu by birth, questions his faith, it is shame to our system. He is nothing but INDIA BORN CONFUSED HINDU. Let us learn from other religions how to develop religious faith and lead a fruitful life.
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by Tejas Saajny on Sep 24, 2007 05:19 PM Permalink
Mr. Paramasivan, You are right. Blindly we are following western system and culture in all the unnecessary aspects except the one which is really needed.
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by on Sep 24, 2007 05:50 PM Permalink
devotion to lord krishna is the supreme dharma of this age.Please dont sway from your roots over some fool's personal beliefs and prejudices.
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by on Sep 25, 2007 07:33 AM Permalink
well said. we are not forced to follow religious practices and that is the reason we are not seen as radicals.
RE:Let us prove in the Court
by on Sep 25, 2007 01:14 PM Permalink
MR.MANI MAARANS COMMENTS CLEARLY SHOW THAT HE IS FROM THAT DAMN STATE CALLED TAMILNADU;A STATE WHICH IS CONTROLLED BY BARBERS,DRUNKARDS,CALLGIRLS AND OTHERS ALIKE.MR.MANIMAARANS COMMENTS STEMS FROM A CERTAIN INFERIORITY COMPLEX WHICH IS FOUND EVERYWHERE IN TAMILNADU.YOU GO TO CHENNAI OR ANYPART OF TAMILNADU;TAMILNADU IS VERY BACKWARD AND YOU FIND CRORES OF PEOPLE BELOW THE POVERTY LINE.THEY ARE ILLITERATE AND DYING BECAUSE OF POVERTY.THE LEADERS OF TNADU INSTEAD OF ADDRESSING THE GRIEVANCES OF THEIR MASSES ARE CONCENTRATING ON MAKING TONNES OF MONEY;THESE IGNORANT A##3HOL#S LIKE MR.MANIMAARAN VENT THEIR ANGER ON AN INNOCENT COMMUNITY WHO LEAD A VERY PIOUS LIFE AND COME TO VERY GOOD STATUS IN LIFE BECAUSE OF THEIR INTELLIGENCEAND HARDWORK.THESE PEOPLE LIKE MANI MAARAN INSPITE OF SO CALLED QUOTA CANNAT MATCH WITH THE INTELLIGENT BRAHMIN COMMUNITY.SO,THEY VENT THEIR ANGER BY BURNING IMAGES OF SHRIRAAM AND OTHER GODS;MR.MANIMAARAN;YOU MAY TAKE YOUR NEXT BIRTH AS A WORM IN HUMANSTOOLS.IF YOU KEEP TALKING ROT ABOUT SHREE RAM YOU ARE BOUND TO GO TO.......... WITH WARM REGARDS B.R.SATHYANARAYANA.RAO
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by on Sep 24, 2007 05:57 PM Permalink
you fool!!!!!! mani maaran,you are sooooooo not getting a human life ..in like the next billion kalpas. You degraded,pig eating worm in stool,i bet your life is the most miserable.Do you even knoe the cosmogonal symbolism of the SHIV LINGA??? Lord shiva's dance is mentioned even in books of quantum physicists and relativistic books.Your so ignorant,i pity you.I ASSURE YOU THAT MATERIAL NATURE SHALL BRING ABOUT A DOOM SO HORRIBLE THAT YOUR DAMNED SOUL WILL NEVER FIND PEACE, WANDERING IN THE PLUTONIC PLANETS OF THE WORST DEGREE.
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by shekhar mohanty on Sep 24, 2007 03:49 PM Permalink
Mr. Mani maran your language shows the poor upbringing u had .I pity u ....I feel bad for ur poor parentage. If only ur parents had taught u what Ram is all about.....Even while disagreeing on a topic u need to maintain dignity.....u have brought shame to urself n ur parents.We hindus believe that Parents r like God ...probably u don believe in that also ... so shamelessly bringing embarassment to ur respected parents. U know the greatness of being hindu is that one Mani maran commits blasphemy ..but thr is no fatwa... if u had uttered a single word even vaugely against the prophet u wud have been beheaded by now.Feel lucky that u r part of this great country which draws its existence from Ram.
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by k kkk on Sep 24, 2007 04:03 PM Permalink
RAM IS JUST A CHARACTER OF AN EPIC. I DONT WHO IS GOING TO SAVE THOSE DOING POLITICS ON THIS
You fool not only believe your Parents as god but Veg*na and Pe*nnis as god (Ramalingam, Shivalingam).
You treat Cow as god and drink its Urine.
You treat all the items in the world as God and create a story on it and make others believe.
I never saw foolish people like you Brahmin. You are the only sect believing in all non senses and expecting the same from others. What a brilliant logic. You Brahmins and your Gods needs to be send back to the place where you came to India thro Kyber, Bolan Pass.
What a shame to this nation because of you. You will never serve this nation but indulge in shame more and more.
This a report from Stephen Knapp for those who are interested
" Namaste, While the controversy in the government of India seems to continue on whether Lord Rama really existed or not, here is another short article discussing whether Lord Rama walked the earth or not. It is dated July of 2003, but contains some interesting points of consideration. Hari Om and Hari bol,
Did Rama exist? -- Nanditha Krishna
The New Sunday Express on July 6, 2003
Ayodhya is in the headlines every day. One would have to be an ostrich to avoid the subject. Was there a temple before the mosque? Archaeologists would have to answer that. Was Rama born there? The answer is a matter of belief. Did Rama exist? Yes, I am quite sure he did. Rama's life was a fact. His divinity is a matter of faith.
To doubt the existence of Rama is to doubt all literature. There is no archaeological or epigraphic evidence for either Jesus Christ or Prophet Mohammed, who are known only from the Bible and Koran respectively. Does it mean they did not exist? If Rama performs miracles such as liberating Ahalya, the Biblical story of Jesus walking on water or the Koranic tale of Mohammed flying to heaven on a horse are equally miraculous. Such stories reinforce divinity, not fact.
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by Tejas Saajny on Sep 24, 2007 05:26 PM Permalink
Thank you very much for such a long article. Every one need to read this before making any comments. could you please send this article to pnrk369@gmail.com
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by Patriot on Sep 24, 2007 05:13 PM Permalink
Jeffrey, we likeminded people should get together Great work.. keep it up..
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by on Sep 25, 2007 07:29 AM Permalink
excellent story Jeffrey. But I believe it represents one side of the story. This story itself raises so many questions but i dont want to discuss them as everyone who has rational thinking will obviously have these doubts. Not matter it is a fact or manipulated, it is indeed a good piece.
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by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 25, 2007 10:39 AM Permalink
The credit is not due to me. I am but a Nimitha
I did nothing but copy and paste for your benefit. For continued enquiry into the Ramayana, I am pasting another beautiful, deeper explanation of the vedantic significance of Ramayana
I have taken the express permission of one Sri Balakrishna of Chinmaya Mission, Bangalore, over the phone to reproduce here major portion of an article with the above subject written by Swamy Chinmayananda which had appeared in Mar/April 1999 issue of Vedanta Vani. Even if some members have already read it, it is worth going over again and ruminate its meaning as Raama Navami is fast approaching.
The article is about the hidden meanings of the different names that appear in the story of Valmiki Raamaayana .
In Ayodhya, ( yudhdha means conflict, Ayodhya means where there is no conflict ) to the king Dasharatha ( = one who has conquered all the ten indriyaas ) was born the Supreme Lord, Sri Raama (= 'That One' who is revelling in every form - ' sarve ramanti yasmin iti Raamaah ' ) as a baby.
Raama grows up in Ayodhya (without any conflicts ) and then goes out of Ayodhya with sag
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by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 25, 2007 10:41 AM Permalink
cont'd
Raama grows up in Ayodhya (without any conflicts ) and then goes out of Ayodhya with sage Vishwamitra to protect the yagnaas......................
Rama gets married to Sita. Janaka is her father. Janaka found her while ploughing the mother earth,............, most improbable place to come out from. Ultimately, she goes back to mother earth. So here is someone who came from no-cause and goes back to no-cause, and this is called, in vedaanta, as ' Maaya '.
Thus Raama, the Atman, the self, gets wedded to Maaya...........Once ' Self ' gets wedded to Maaya, the Ego, ' I ' can not remain in Ayodhya. Conflict must necessarily start. Thus he goes to jungle with Sita. Jungle means the forest of pluralities, conflicts, in which you and I live today.
There, as long as Sita was looking at Raama, living in Raama, for Raama, ( Ego thinking of God only ) she never knew the difference between Ayodhya and forest. But one little moment she turned her attention outwards and there stood the Golden deer - the delusory golden deer.........................
And once we see that delusion, we do not want God, we want that delusory thing only. Sita got stung by the desire, rejected Ram, sent him away saying, " I want that Golden deer ". Rama goes. The deer is killed no doubt, but it starts crying out and Sita asks Lakshmana also to go. He hesitatingly goes..........
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by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 25, 2007 10:42 AM Permalink
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It is at this time that Ten-headed monster, Ravana, comes in the guise of a sanyasi Bhikshu. See the anti-thesis. Dasharatha, who has conquered the ten indriyaas, is in Ayodhya, and Dashamukha is in Lanka. We are like Ravana. Our attention is constantly turned outwards through the ten indriyaas. Materialism enters the bosom of a seeker in a deceitful form. Ravana, the extrovert man, with lusty living came to Sita in a deceitful form. He comes and takes her away and Sita becomes a prisoner in Lanka.
Her fall from Ayodhya to Lanka is the fall of man from greatness of divinity into the present condition of guilt, sorrow, agitation, worries and suffering. Thus you and I are Sita now in Lanka.
What did she do there ? We must also go thro the same discipline. She refused to co-operate with materialism all around. When she says ' NO ' materialism can not touch her. She remained under Ashoka tree. Shoka is sorrow and Ashoka is sorrowless. Though there is sorrow in all our minds, we refuse to recognise it. There under the Ashoka tree she contemplated on Ram with a sense of total surrender, recognising and realising the terrible mistake that she made and remained there. When we thus remain contemplating on Ram, every seeker will get intimation from the Divine, Sri Ram, that ' I am coming '. Hanuman reaches her and gives her the Symbol. Her hope increases and she is confident that Rama is coming. She awaits the arrival of Rama.
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by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 25, 2007 10:43 AM Permalink
cont'd As Sita weeps for him, Rama also expresses sentimental emotions. Valmiki wants to communicate to us that when we cry for God, he responds. How will he go there ? He is in jungle. The only army he can have is monkeys'. We find so much of criticism in Western literature that monkeys can not make an army. But here it has to be monkeys. Human minds and thoughts are the only ally for the Lord , the Spiritual Self, for I and you to reach that state. Monkeys and human minds have the same qualities of ' chanchalatwa ' and ' asthiratwa ' ( lack concentration and attention ).
These monkeys can never be the ally of the Lord as long as they are ruled by Vali, the incorrigible lust. As long as our minds are ruled by lust we are not ready to do Ram's work. So Vali is to be destroyed and see who comes to the throne - Sugreeva. Greeva means the reins of horses. Sugreeva - the total self control ! Under Sugreeva the monkeys are available to do Ram's work and together they build the bridge - the bridge of contemplation to reach the realm of Ravana - the realm of pure materialism, to destroy the extrovertedness, destroy Ravana and take Sita to Rama.
Sita, the ego, when comes face to face with Rama, the Self, the ego disappears. Just as ' the dreamer I ' disappears before ' the waker I ' . Sita thus disappears. It is Kapila muni who tells Rama that he can not go back to Ayodhya and bring about Rama Rajya without a queen. Hence the Kapila muni makes a delusory Sita with whom Rama re
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by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 25, 2007 10:44 AM Permalink
cont'd
Hence the Kapila muni makes a delusory Sita with whom Rama returns to Ayodhya and rules for a short time. All men of Realisation, having realised the Truth, always come back to the world for a short time to serve as Saints, Prophets. We can not work in the world without an ego. But here, it is not a true ego, but an illusory ego. When he thus rules, Luva and Kusha are born. Similarly when a Jnani works in the world, a Bible or a Koran , a Gita or an Upanishad will necessarily emerge out of Him.
Then he gives up the world . There is no compulsion on him to give up because it is already an illusory one. It is not a real one. He gives up the world and there ends the masterpiece.
Thus Raamayana, from Ayodhya to Lanka is the process of an individualised Ego , coming into the present state of misconception that I am a limited, individualised ego, and the return of Rama back to Ayodhya from Lanka is the man's piligrimage fulfilled in the Realised Self. There after they live in the world for a short time serving the mankind and then the story ends.
Thus there is a spiritual background to the entire story fo Ramayana. That is the reason why it is so popular. The average man is happy with the story. To the mediocre man, the idealism that Rama stands for is a great education. But even the man of Realisation enjoys Ramayana , because he sees in and through the story , the entire Vedantic Wisdom, echoing and re-echoing as a melody Divine."
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by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 25, 2007 10:50 AM Permalink
This is the noble beauty of our scriptures. I am posting it here so that we can understand the subtle levels of meaning in this beautiful narration.
When I see the sad brainwashed brigade try to denigrate soemthing so beautiful, I wonder how much hatred hsa been inculcated into their braind and what the Hindus are missing without ever knowing it.
I hope that all of you enjoy it as much as I do.
Every time I read it, it makes me even closer to the Lord and gives me the strength to stand and lay low these "Asuras" as Lord Ram did
RE:Is Lord Rama story a myth?
by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 24, 2007 11:02 AM Permalink
cont'd "The Ramayana starts with Valmiki asking Narada who was the greatest man who ever lived. Narada narrates the story of Rama, king of Ayodhya, in a few terse, factual lines. Valmiki then goes on to elaborate the story in poetry, creating the Ramayana. Creativity distinguishes the epic from Narada's news report. Rama is not a god in the epic. But we have contemporary examples of people deified in their lifetime, who need a Valmiki or Vyasa to immortalise them.
The Ramayana is geographically very correct. Every site on Rama's route is still identifiable and has continuing traditions or temples to commemorate Rama's visit. Around 1000 BC or earlier, no writer had the means to travel around the country inventing a story, fitting it into local folklore and building temples for greater credibility.
In 1975 the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) unearthed fourteen pillar bases of kasauti stone with Hindu motifs near the mosque at Ayodhya; reports of the excavations are available with the ASI. Rama was born in Ayodhya and married in Mithila, now in Nepal. Not far from Mithila is Sitamarhi, where Sita was found in a furrow, still revered as the Janaki kund constructed by her father Janaka. Rama and Sita left Mithila for Ayodhya via Lumbini. In 249 BC, Ashoka erected a pillar in Lumbini with an inscription referring to the visits by both Rama and Buddha to Lumbini.
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by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 24, 2007 11:04 AM Permalink
cont'd "In 249 BC, Ashoka erected a pillar in Lumbini with an inscription referring to the visits by both Rama and Buddha to Lumbini. Ashoka was much nearer in time to Rama and would be well aware of his facts.
Rama, Lakshmana and Sita left Ayodhya and went to Sringaverapura - modern Sringverpur in Uttar Pradesh - where they crossed the River Ganga. They lived on Chitrakoot hill where Bharata and Shatrughna met them and the brothers performed the last rites for their father. Thereafter, the three wandered through Dandakaranya in Central India, described as a land of Rakshasas, obviously tribes inimical to the brothers' habitation of their land. Tribals are still found in these forests. The trio reached Nasik, on the River Godavari, which throbs with sites and events of Rama's sojourn, such as Tapovan where they lived, Ramkund where Rama and Sita used to bathe, Lakshmankund, Lakshmana's bathing area, and several caves in the area associated with their lives in the forest.
Rama then moved to Panchavati near Bhadrachalam (AP), where Ravana abducted Sita. The dying Jatayu told them of the abduction, so they left in search of Sita. Kishkinda, near Hampi, where Rama first met Sugriva and Hanuman, is a major Ramayana site, where every rock and river is associated with Rama. Anjanadri, near Hospet, was the birthplace of Hanuman (Anjaneya); "
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by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 24, 2007 11:05 AM Permalink
cont'd "Sugriva lived in Rishyamukha on the banks of the Pampa (Tungabhadra); Sabari probably also lived a hermitage there. Rama and the Vanara army left Kishkinda to reach Rameshwaram, where the Vanaras built a bridge to Lanka from Dhanushkodi on Rameshwaram Island to Talaimannar in Sri Lanka. While parts of the bridge - known as Adam's Bridge - are still visible, NASA's satellite has photographed an underwater man-made bridge of shoals in the Palk Straits, connecting Dhanushkodi and Talaimannar. On his return from Sri Lanka, Rama worshiped Shiva at Rameshwaram, where Sita prepared a Linga out of sand. It is still one of the most sacred sites of Hinduism.
Sri Lanka also has relics of the Ramayana. There are several caves, such as Ravana Ella Falls, where Ravana is believed to have hidden Sita to prevent Rama from finding her. The Sitai Amman Temple at Numara Eliya is situated near the ashokavana where Ravana once kept her prisoner."
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by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 24, 2007 11:06 AM Permalink
cont'd "The presence of the Vanaras or monkeys, including Hanuman, has made the authenticity of the epic suspect. But this is the most plausible part of the story. The Vanaras were obviously tribes with the monkey totem: after all, the Ramayana belongs to a period when most of India was jungle with tribal forest-dwellers. India still contains several tribes with animal totems. An early issue of the Bellary District (now in Karnataka) Gazetteer gives us the interesting information that the place was inhabited by the Vanara people. The Jaina Ramayana mentions that the banner of the Vanaras was the vanaradhvaja (monkey flag), thereby reinforcing the totemic theory. Similarly, Jatayu would have been the king of the vulture-totem tribe and Jambavan of the bear-totem tribe.
Was Lanka the modern Sri Lanka? One school of thought places Lanka on the Godavari in Central India, citing the limited descriptions of the South in the latter half of the epic. Narada does not mention Panchavati or Rameshwaram, but refers to Kishkinda and Lanka. Living in the north, it is unlikely that Valmiki knew the south. But Valmiki would know the difference between a sea and a river. Lanka, says the author definitively, was across the sea.
All the places visited by Rama still retain memories of his visit, as if it happened yesterday. Time, in India, is relative. Some places have commemorative temples; others commemorate the visit in local folklore. But all agre
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by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 24, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
People only remember the very good or the very bad. Leftist historians have chosen to rubbish archaeology, literature and local tradition.
So my fellow readers of this board, enjoy htis well written piece and see how the leftist ans pseudo-seculars are hell bent on destroying anyhting that is sacred to the Hindu faith
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by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 24, 2007 11:08 AM Permalink
cont'd "Time, in India, is relative. Some places have commemorative temples; others commemorate the visit in local folklore. But all agree that Rama was going from or to Ayodhya. Why doubt connections when literature, archaeology and local tradition meet? Why doubt the connection between Adam's Bridge and Rama, when nobody else in Indian history has claimed its construction? Why doubt that Rama traveled through Dandakaranya or Kishkinda, where local non-Vedic tribes still narrate tales of Rama? Why doubt that he was born in and ruled over Ayodhya?
Major settlements, including temples, were renovated several times: restoration is a 20th century development. When the main image was made of perishable materials, it was replaced by stone. For example, we know that the wooden image of Varadaraja Perumal of Kanchipuram was replaced by a stone image, for the earlier image is still preserved in a water tank. The present architecture belongs to the sixteenth century Vijayanagara style. Yet the temple was known to have existed before the Pallava period (seventh century). This is the story of many sacred sites in India. This happened to several Rama temples too.
Rama's memory lives on because of his extraordinary life and his reign, which was obviously a period of great peace and prosperity, making Ramarajya a reference point. People only remember the very good or the very bad. Leftist historians have chosen to rubbish archaeology, literatu
Not only Karunanidhi somewhat follower of Ravana and but too tail of monkey brigade of God Ram.
Any way now we are aware that natural calamities are sucking gravely our continent like others, our Nation is now in the face of tsunami and very many epidemics like chicken guinea and all.
Now ours is not an echo friendly nation, as we are bringing very many plants like RUBBER which IS by birth not a plant suitable to the flora and fauna of ours , and day by day thousands of years old herbal plants of this Nation closing their eyes permanently before us.
For little bit benefits of any person this much cruelty to this Nation and Devotees is God Ram is not at all fruitful to Karunanidhi. India Govt. have to take suitable disciplinary action against Karunanidhi.
Not only Karunanidhi somewhat follower of Ravana and but too tail of monkey brigade of God Ram.
Any way now we are aware that natural calamities are sucking gravely our continent like others, our Nation is now in the face of tsunami and very many epidemics like chicken guinea and all.
Now ours is not an echo friendly nation, as we are bringing very many plants like RUBBER which IS by birth not a plant suitable to the flora and fauna of ours , and day by day thousands of years old herbal plants of this Nation closing their eyes permanently before us.
For little bit benefits of any person this much cruelty to this Nation and Devotees is God Ram is not at all fruitful to Karunanidhi. India Govt. have to take suitable disciplinary action against Karunanidhi.
Sand peaks over the rameswaram cost are the great obstacles for canal project. The project will bring prosper to the tamilnadu people. As the well wisher of tamilnadu, Karunanidhi does this project. Do not forget, this project had been approved by the same BJP. L(ankotti).K(arma).Advani, where did you go that time? Jaya's choli ke peeche? or Sunari ke neeche? BJP and VHP, what happened to your Ram temple project in Ayodiya? You can not do politics in the name of GOD. This is a different ball game. We are more educated now than ever. We respect GOD as long as it does not affect our survival. Folks, tamilnadu is very unique. We pray GOD but we vote for DMK. Did any of you really try to understand this? India will prosper if everybody understand God, politics, prosperity and LIFE. This canal project is the lifeline for tamilnadu's prosperity and Bharathi's dream. We will not let it go. Never. Do you know Vajpayee and Karunanidhi are thickest friends. So why Vajpayee did not attends BJP national conference and split in BJP now. People, pl. understand the politics.
I am cutting and pasting some economic facts about Ram Sethu.
i am not not sure you want to hear it or know about it, based on your BJP bashing.
I also am curious as to hoe karunanidhi has brought prosperity to Tamil Nadu (except to his own family a nd that too on an MLA?minister's salary)
Anyway read on
This i sfor a pweson who works on this project
"- Even though they blast off the whole structure, NONE of commercial ship can pass though it. This ship would be coming again in same route -encircling Sri Lanka.
- The economic returns will be not equalized even in 80-90 years to the investment made till now.. as it can only pass small boats and steamers
- The ecological hazard will be more than any return in your national interest as it will devastate the sea ecology. That can not be undo in any case.
- The digging ship which was bought from Holland is damaged which cost 200 million $ as rock structure is not oceanic
- Kerala will be exposed to Tsunami waves, it was ram setu, which protected it..
For more insights read Indian Express dated 14th Sept. 2007, Hindustan (Hindi) and Mint of 13th Sept. 2007. You can find how this proposed project is not feasible from economic point of view as well."
RE:kalainger karunanidhi
by Jeffrey Mittal on Sep 24, 2007 10:52 AM Permalink
Cont'd "I have been working on the Ram Setu since last two years from Remote Sensing and GIS perspective. One can manipulate common population using technical jargons as someone quoted NASA on the age determination of Ram Setu. Of course one can not decide the age of rock, but the structure, formation, association and visual interpretation can always be done. And this is where remote sensing is concern.
- On the basis of remote sensing principles and image analysis my study found that this structure is man made.
- It is constructed on the basic bridge making rules
- Ram Setu is best example of cross channel bridge as it is designed sustain the waves and tsunami current, which are frequent in Bay of Bengal."
So did the Kalia nagar provide the same information or IS THIS just some more bashing of Lord Ram.
Your fervent statements seem to lay low any logic and so I ma not expecting you to understand this logical set of facts.
Maybe there is a higher reason that Ram Sethu was built and that we are ALL benefiting form its existence.
RE:RE:kalainger karunanidhi
by ranojit basu on Sep 24, 2007 11:29 AM Permalink
Dear Sengodan,People like you who are mad dogs kept as Karunanidhi can be so blind in supporting him.Never put your religion as Hindu on any important document since you and your views are dangerous to the secular fabric of India.Why dont you travet to Afghanistan to join with Talibans in their visionary zeal? Keep it up you pet dog of Karunanidhi
Vajpayee and karunanidhi are thickest friends. The share idealogy, poem. Both are great poets and both are great visionaries. When one is in need other person is there to help with out asking. Thats the reason karunanidhi have supported BJP when vajpayee is in soup. Vajpayee will never let L(ankotti)K(arma)advani even to be BJP president. To support the view of karunanidhi, vajpayee did not attend BJP national conference. Now the BJP is in split. They backtracks and try to distance from VHP now on Karunanidhi and ADAM'S bridge project. Tamilnadu is unique. we know how to separate GOD and politics very well. Thats why tamilnadu is most educated, talented and prosper land in India. One thing is true: Whereever there is no VHP, BJP that state will grow like tamilnadu. Dravida movement changed the fate of India. More IT, Engineering, Doctors are from south globally now. Did you know why? Because of dravida movement. This generation does not understand this very well. Ask any non-Bhramin parents. They tell how Dravida movement benefited their life and livelyhood. In tamilnadu, we respect and pray GOD than anyone else, but we vote DMK. Because we are educated to differentiate GOD and politics. Karunanidhi is best anong all in India now. Vajpayee knows this, Abdul kalam knows this, communist party knows, Congress party knows this, Knachi sankaracharya knows this ( he did not comment now), saibaba know this (recently saibaba visted karunanidhi's home), Now you all know this
