RE:ram
by Deep Indian on Sep 15, 2007 02:26 AM Permalink
Who is Sunil Kumar? A porkistani?? No wonder he writes Tulsidas in the 50th century. You need more education than the ordinary hindus bro. Forget Rama and his monkeys. Monkeys like you ape the west and take the worst and start blurting out here. Go to the west and especially AMerica and talk to them about Jesus the way you are writing about Ram. They will slit your already half member if you are a Porki. Hindus are developing everywhere and are setting up an example for everybody else to follow with family values, Ram and prosperity.
This is a pretty sad situation. Whether Ram is a god or not it is not for the government to decide. Manmohan Singh and Sonia should keep to do what they are elected for that is work for the people not offend peoples sentiments. This is a foolish move on the part of congress.
RE:RE:sensitivity
by indiman on Sep 15, 2007 02:21 AM Permalink
I can accept the sethu samudram project but I cannot accept a blanket statement from the goverment and archaological socity that there is no evidence anywhere. There is no archaelogical evidence for any of the worlds religions but do the goverments in different countries release such blanket statements.
RE:RE:sensitivity
by Deep Indian on Sep 15, 2007 02:34 AM Permalink
If the government is of the people, by the people and for the people then the government has to respect the sentiments of the majority.Navy or no Navy..monuments that have been the source of faith for thousands of years cannot be destroyed or tampered with for some immediate fiscal gains. Thats trash. Why can't a highway be built by dismantling the Kaba to shorten some route...
RE:sensitivity
by imran patel on Sep 15, 2007 02:45 AM Permalink
That is NOT the responsibility of the Government. That is called "APPEASEMENT". Role of government is to have the nation progressive, economically and military.
Government should not interfere in religious matter. Why do we call for a Common Civil Code...
Government should NOT own temples/mosques...Government should Not fund HAJ...That is not the role of the government !!!
why do the muslims in India cry even if the Indian army just eneters a mosque to catch a terrorist or so, let alone the question of destroying them for national interest? Afterall as it is well known that most mosques and madrashas are the grooming place for the anti-India terrorists why should the Indian army destroy all the mosques and madrashas? If you say that muslims will agree to such move, I shall have no complain in accepting Indian govt. destroying the Ram Sethu. Going by your suggestion why do the muslims not accept a new mosque in Ayodhya (as proposed by BJP) next to the Ram Janmbhumi and allow Hindus to rebuild the temple which was destroyed earlier by the muslim invaders?
why do the muslims in India cry even if the Indian army just eneters a mosque to catch a terrorist or so, let alone the question of destroying them for national interest? Afterall as it is well known that most mosques and madrashas are the grooming place for the anti-India terrorists why should the Indian army not destroy all the mosques and madrashas? If you say that muslims will agree to such move, I shall have no complain in accepting Indian govt. destroying the Ram Sethu. Going by your suggestion why do the muslims not accept a new mosque in Ayodhya (as proposed by BJP) next to the Ram Janmbhumi and allow Hindus to rebuild the temple which was destroyed earlier by the muslim invaders?
RE:sensitivity
by Deep Indian on Sep 15, 2007 03:16 AM Permalink
To Imran Patel. Our Indian Navy has always been strong even with the Setu on. Our problem is from the East and Northwest for which we already have a Navy base in Vishakhapatnam.
People have been worshipping in Rameshwaram for centuries,if not for a couple of millinnea or more.You cannot take away symbols from an ancient culture like India to earn some extra dollars.It is the common people,the believers who have preserved our symbols for 100s of generations,not the Govt.If Govt was responsible,The Ganga would have industrial waste and raw sewage dumped into it and River Yamuna would be flowing pure.So Govt and the good for nothing politicians including the Italian one cannot decide for what the people want.They must listen to the people's voices rather than we listen to their power/money hungry voices.
The same Sonia and ManMohan who stayed away while the nation sang Vande Mataram to show solidarity to the non-singers should have shown more interest in the matter of religious beliefs of the Majority.Now don't act innocent,you have proved what you really stand for.
RE:Rama belongs to the people and Govt should respect our decision
by ag on Sep 15, 2007 02:07 AM Permalink
how come same voices did not rise in unison against the several crimes happening in our nation? Do we ever do self introspection?
What is this happenning...Please the issue is not about Hindu and Muslims, infact it has nothing to do with religion at all..
Ram Setu is a national heritage, a work of wonder. It is not a Hindu monument or anything. We need to save this amazing piece of land for posterity...
In such a difficult scenario, why are we debating how many wifes Prophet had or had not...How is this relevant.
The problem with us Indians is that there is just no focus, some will start running away with things that are most insignificant.
2 hours back, when this topic was heated, I and other friends fought to make this section relevant. I would request you all, to please respect the work and lets deliberate on ways to save the Ram Setu...
I really implore all to please desist from things that are defamatory and not os any consequence...
We need to save that bridge, and that should be our only focus...Please Indians, let's not make a fool of ourselves in front of the world...You can do much better than that...after all, it was us that gave the world Satyagraha...
RE:For Ram's Sake stop this
by Anonymuncle on Sep 15, 2007 02:25 AM Permalink
Dear Imran,
You would not believe it...But I missed you. In the senseless drivel that is being thrown up now, I really feel I owe an apology to you..
I give up, we Indians do not merit anything..Let them destroy the bridge for all I care, when we have educated morons who are posting here, how worse it would be on the ground.
Just, one thing, how does it matter if I call this place Hind and you Bharat, what is there to argue man...What is this ego..Why the hell are we always so divided over such petty small thigns...
Would you feel victorious, if I said Jai Bharat, so be it..
I really give up and am signing out. I refuse to be a part of this crap..
RE:For Ram's Sake stop this
by Anonymuncle on Sep 15, 2007 02:34 AM Permalink
Just one more thing...
IF you all are really interested in some honest and intelligent discussion on the subject please refer to the very early pages, when there were some sensible people deliberating on the issue (I guess now, they are asleep)...
Meanwhile, Please sign up on the petition for saving Ram Setu, as it would indeed ruffle some feathers at least..
RE:For Ram's Sake stop this
by imran patel on Sep 15, 2007 02:36 AM Permalink
It does not matter what you say. If patriotism was so cheap and just verbal, we would be doing great. But that is far from the truth. I want our nation to progress. I am in favor of all illegal structures constructed that hinder our progress.
There is a middle ground to this problem. Best solution is to do a "Suez Canal".
Have a small section carved out, suffient for NAVY/Merchant ships to cross (Taking into consideration the Future demand).
There can be monuments (Private, No government Money) built on either side for the Hindus to practise their faith.
Somewhere down the history lane, our perspectives got screwed. Instead of understanding and following the valuable lessons of life in these epics, we started obsessing with physical historical evidences and other crap. The main essence of these epics has been lost in the public view. I grew up learning Ramayana without even having a glimpse of bridge. if this will continue, so be it. I'm more worried about it's spiritual significance. Hindu nationalist and many Islamic parties are mere opportunists, who jump on such issues when they have nothing else better to do. I would be more concerned about affecting a natural formation in the sea , rather than something described in a text which i have never seen!
RE:perspective
by SEEK on Sep 15, 2007 01:59 AM Permalink
People have been worshipping in Rameshwaram for centuries,if not for a couple of millinnea or more.You cannot take away symbols from an ancient culture like India to earn some extra dollars.It is the common people,the believers who have preserved our symbols for 100s of generations,not the Govt.If Govt was responsible,The Ganga would have industrial waste and raw sewage dumped into it and River Yamuna would be flowing pure.So Govt and the good for nothing politicians including the Italian one cannot decide for what the people want.They must listen to the people's voices rather than we listen to their power/money hungry voices.
The same Sonia and ManMohan who stayed away while the nation sang Vande Mataram to show solidarity to the non-singers should have shown more interest in the matter of religious beliefs of the Majority.Now don't act innocent,you have proved what you really stand for.
RE:perspective
by ag on Sep 15, 2007 02:04 AM Permalink
govt immersed dead bodies in ganga and spoilt it? how many so called 'devout hindus' or 'devout muslims' have led their lives completely on moral principles? how can a party responsible for slaughtering innocents and corruption (congress is not the only corrupt party), say they are preserving religion and culture. WHAT IS THE USE OF SUMBOLS OF BELIEF, WHEN THE PRINCIPLES BASED ON THAT BELIEF ITSELF ARE OUTRIGHTLY DEFIED!? plz answer me?
RE:perspective
by SEEK on Sep 15, 2007 02:11 AM Permalink
Yes,I will answer you,you intolerant Islamic fundamentalist.
Organic waste doesn't create not even a fraction of the problem as created by the industrial waste, being dumped into Ganga and Yamuna daily.Who cares about rivers specially those related to our civilization?
We are Hindus and we respect symbols.India is not a Communist country to remove all the symbols of worship.Principles of beliefs are not dead and gone away from India,even when babar,aurangazeb etc tried to islamize the subcontinent.
