KPS Gill : India's opportunistic political secularists - as distinct from those who are, in fact and practice, actually wedded to the secular ideology - feel that they cannot sufficiently proclaim their secularism without displaying at least a measure of contempt for Hindu beliefs and practices.
According to the public interest litigation, Rahul, the son of Congress president Sonia Gandhi, and his companion were released after being detained at Boston airport following the intervention of the Prime Minister's Office.
At that time, Atal Bihari Vajpayee was the Indian prime minister and Rahul was not a member of the Parliament. "Vajpayee's principal secretary and then national security adviser Brajesh Misra spoke to top US authorities to enable Rahul Gandhi and his girlfriend to get away," claimed Prem Chandra Sharma, who moved the court along with three others.
The petition alleged that Rahul was found in illegal possession of about $ 200,000. And it was in that connection that the FBI had detained him along with his girlfriend on Sep 21, 2001. The FBI was said to have sought an explanation about Rahul's possession of such a huge amount of money, which he was unable to provide, the petition said.
RE:Rahul Gandhi Caught with his Christian Girlfriend
by on on Sep 15, 2007 10:14 AM Permalink
I think you have opened some site of VHP from their you are copying and pasting, You are just converted to hatred creature by VHP/RSS brigrade. really sorry
So far, Nobel Laureate, His Holiness the Dalai Lama, is the only %u201Cindividual%u201D named in the list of %u201CVVIPs/VIPs%u201D who don%u2019t have to go through a security check at domestic airports across the country.
Now there is a new name to that list: Shri Robert Vadra. Son-in-law of UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi, Vadra%u2019s name was added to the list on September 28 in a circular issued nationwide by the Bureau of Civil Aviation Security (BCAS) under the Ministry of Civil Aviation.
The list mentions that Vadra is exempted from security checks %u201Cwhile travelling with SPG (Special Protection Group) protectees.%u201D
RE:No Security-Check for Priyanka's Christian Husband
by on on Sep 15, 2007 10:00 AM Permalink
These all are stories common in all culture, but nobody trust them blindly and discriminate 90% dalits on the basis of these stories, Brahmin did and made fools to shudras for 1000 of years. In same story one dalit was punished because he listened some godly word from brahaman which was not allowed them, Rama ordered to punish that Dalit by pouring hot melted lead in his ear.
RE:No Security-Check for Priyanka's Christian Husband
by Rebel on Sep 15, 2007 10:40 AM Permalink
Now who told you this story ?????? "Rama ordered to punish that Dalit by pouring hot melted lead in his ear". What nonsense is this ?????? If I am not wrong he was the one who ate the left over fruits of Shabari ( a Shudra, she tasted each and every fruit to ensure that Lord Ram is served with the sweetest of fruits ) just to please her .... He was the one who asked Sita to leave Ayodhya only because a section of his Praja ( the Dhobis) cast aspersion on her Character ....
The Hindu Society has always a victim of cunning Brahmins but check your facts before you make such statements ...
RE:No Security-Check for Priyanka's Christian Husband
by srinivasan Murugesa on Sep 15, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
You should also visit a place called Thirupungur in Tamilnadu where a dalit prayed to god requesting his darshan bcz the nandi was blockinh his view. The lord moved the nandi and gave darshan to the dalit. Humans may be discriminating, but not the lord.
Ram and Krishna never lived. Prithviraj Chauhan was %u201Cpunished%u201D by Muhummad Ghuri for %u201Cconspiracy,%u201D Shivaji never faced open battles and won only by %u201Ctreachery.%u201D These are not extracts from a Pakistani book. But the %u201Cfacts%u201D mentioned in the Government of India textbooks, issued by Arjun Singh%u2019s NCERT.
The Union HRD minister%u2019s campaign to paint the education field red has resulted in this absurdity being taught as history. The NCERT, has replaced all the text books in schools. Old Communist historians have been dusted out of the closet and made to author textbooks for children. Romila Thapar, Satish Chandra, Ram Sharan Sharma and et al, have authored the textbooks of various senior classes. Page after page, the tone, the language and the presentation are aimed at insulting the national heroes.
Sample this, %u201Carchaeological evidence should be considered far more important than long family trees given in the Puranas because Puranic tradition can be used to date Ram of Ayodhya to 2000 B C but diggings and extensive exploration in Ayodhya do not show any settlement of the time.%u201D (Ancient India, Ram Sharan Sharma, book for Class XI)
And he had this to say about Mahabharata, %u201CAlthough Krishna played an important role in Mahabharata, inscriptions and sculptural piece found in Mathura dating back to 200 BC and 300 AD do not attest to his presence. Because of this, ideas of an epic based on Ramayana and Mahabharata have to be discarded.%u201D
RE:''Ram and Krishna never lived'' According to new textbooks in Indian Schools
by Sunil Agrawal on Sep 15, 2007 09:29 AM Permalink
This is result of Christian Madarassas (convents). Arjun, Romila etc are products of such Christian madarassas.
RE:''Ram and Krishna never lived'' According to new textbooks in Indian Schools
by on on Sep 15, 2007 09:52 AM Permalink
In all these Christian Madarsa, All 90% maulvis(teacher) are hindu.
RE:''Ram and Krishna never lived'' According to new textbooks in Indian Schools
by on on Sep 15, 2007 09:59 AM Permalink
These all are stories common in all culture, but nobody trust them blindly and discriminate 90% dalits on the basis of these stories, Brahmin did and made fools to shudras for 1000 of years. In same story one dalit was punished because he listened some godly word from brahaman which was not allowed them, Rama ordered to punish that Dalit by pouring hot melted lead in his ear.
RE:''Ram and Krishna never lived'' According to new textbooks in Indian Schools
by riir on Sep 15, 2007 10:21 AM Permalink
which dalit did Rama order to be punished by pouring lead in his ear? could you point that out?
So was the affidavit the product of a pliant bureaucracy which, it is being said openly, saw the ascendancy of Christians in the power structure post-Sonia Gandhi and which felt driving a nail into Hinduism's icon would show itself in a positive light with the political masters? ...........
So 24 hours after the UPA government disses Ram in the Supreme Court, the government rediscovers his greatness and reinstates him in the Indian pantheon.
This, we are told, was done at the instance of Sonia Gandhi who has been reviled by Hindutva forces for her Christian origin and which shrill campaign nixed her chance of becoming prime minister in 2004.
Sonia Gandhi herself does not directly take credit for this act of grace; all those around her attribute the decision to her, taken out of respect for Hindu sentiment.
Heck, the person the Sangh Parivar painted as anti-Hindu is the one who has come to the Hindu's rescue, establishing her faith in one of the most revered gods of the land. Who benefits, you ask? Sonia Gandhi, obviously!
At least on positive thing came out of this misadventure of the UPA government. It woke-up the Hindu community around the world. Our religion rightfully teaches us to be passive and forgiving but we showed that there is a limit to our patience.
1. Ramayana accurately traces the path of Rama from Ayodhya to Sri Lanka. It mentions about the places where he stopped on the way and all of them exist even today. Its impossible for someone to make up these places at a time when maps didnt exist.
2. Imagine this, for hundreds for years Hindus have been hearing about Rama building a Setu on the sea when none apparently existed. Suddenly satellite imagery discovers it exists exactly at the same place and position it was believed to exist. Is it a mere co-incidence? What are the chances of this happening?
3. Ramayana mentions about the Vanaras who have a face of an ape and are bipedal (walk on two feet). For many years the remains of what scientists call "Pre-historic man" have been found. Doesnt anyone see the similarities between the pre-historic man and vanaras?
4. If the archealogists are looking for clothes, pots etc used by Rama or something written by him, that won't happen. Rama existed in the Treta yuga which was millions of years ago.
5. There is no proof for the existence of Mohammed and Jesus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_jesus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Muhammad
6. There is no proof for Abraham having existed let alone built the black stone called KAABA. There is no proof that there is angel jibreel who came and stealthily uttered koran in mohamad's ears. There is no weird animal called BURAQ with a face of a woman, body of a donkey, tail of a peacock and wings of a bird on w
RE:food for thought
by riir on Sep 15, 2007 08:52 AM Permalink
6. There is no proof for Abraham having existed let alone built the black stone called KAABA. There is no proof that there is angel jibreel who came and stealthily uttered koran in mohamad's ears. There is no weird animal called BURAQ with a face of a woman, body of a donkey, tail of a peacock and wings of a bird on which Mohamad supposedly flew to heaven. It is much more probable that a army can build a bridge than to believe that a man called Jesus walked on water. There is no proof nor its believable that a man named Jesus resurrected. There is no proof that Mohd split the Moon. But no one is talking about these things or filing affidavits in court challenging them. Why just pick on Hindus? because they are tolerant? Imagine someone challenging any of these in Saudi Arabia or any muslim majority country. Even if any of these ridiculous things are challenged say in Europe or USA, the Muslims all over the world will go on rampage destroying millions of dollars of property like they did during the recent cartoons.
RE:food for thought
by saikrishna kondaraju on Sep 15, 2007 09:11 AM Permalink
You are a convert who has been robbed of your ancient culture and religion ;) poor you ... i can only pity you
RE:food for thought
by riir on Sep 15, 2007 09:13 AM Permalink
saikrishna, you are calling me a convert? lol we have been proud followers of sanatana dharma since aeons. none of us follow any middle eastern desert stuff
RE:food for thought
by ASHUTOSH SINGH on Sep 15, 2007 09:14 AM Permalink
This article is the real truth of India. Hinduism is at risk, its my call to all Hindu people living anywere in the world to protest against what government of India is doing. RamSetu shouls be made a heritage & international tourism destination. Government of India will make more money from Tourism, than by the saving some couple of crores by thedestruction of Ramsetu. Ths seems to be a do-or-die situation. ASHUTOSH SINGH from Toronto CANDA
RE:food for thought
by on on Sep 15, 2007 09:44 AM Permalink
Your problem you know only half truth go and see discovery channel, they have mentioned each step and stone, written in Kuran/Bible, But in India till now no one has tried to do. I am very sure 99% written scripture you cannot prove it. One more question why do you mention everything in BC, why cannot be you change into RC or RD, because you dont have any proof. Ram Setu was formed by continental shilft as Himalaya formed, and many other land and water bodies formed around 2million years ago and modern man existed just few 10 thousands years ago, so dont mix your mythology with science, fact is that each culture ahve such stories, nobody can believe them blindly. You are comparing Hanuman, Angad, Sugreev and Bali with other apes species like Homoerectus, So their skull size shows they were just monkey and existed 4 millions ago. They didnt founded any Civilization. About Your yuga theory so each yuga contained millions of years if you will follow all these things then you will reach in Dianosaurs age. How can you prove all Inder devta and Apsaray, Ram is an Avatar of Vishnu, so Vishnu should be in ocean where is he? Missing from the sea. All these stories about any religion is useless and I am very sure our generation or next will not ready to accept all these craps.
RE:food for thought
by Ramanath Babu on Sep 15, 2007 10:07 AM Permalink
First of all, Mr. On, you as a non-Hindu know nothing about our religion and so it is better for you to SHUT-UP YOUR DIRTY MOUTH.
You and the likes are forcing even moderate Hindus to turn hostile towards other religion. Although tolerence is the hall mark of Hindusitm, there is limit for everything. We know what wsrong we have done. We allowed you people to stay on this land. I know my religion won't approve killings of innocent. But please don't force Hindus to take-up arms struggle. Better you shut up or else....
RE:food for thought
by on on Sep 15, 2007 10:24 AM Permalink
Your religion is only hatred and I have read almost all indian/Hindu scripture at ver child hood.
RE:RE:food for thought
by on on Sep 15, 2007 10:35 AM Permalink
You cannot kill mosquito, it is provesd in 1000 of years. Only foreiners ruled on India, muslims ruled for 800 years, then britishers 200 years and Now gandhi family, basically persian so u cannot do any thing. Just write and curse others that all, you just try to prove big by your writing not by deed. Muslims conquered so many countries, Christians Discovers almost all the continents, And you are sitting there just praising your Gods so sick mentality.
RE:RE:RE:food for thought
by riir on Sep 15, 2007 10:40 AM Permalink
we are not violent like your islamic people and their prophet to kill/conqueur/take prisoners of war etc. For example just because bruce lee didnt kill anyone didnt mean he was not capable of doing so. get the point?
RE:RE:RE:food for thought
by Ramanath Babu on Sep 15, 2007 10:46 AM Permalink
Yes, I admit that is the problem with Hindus. Hindusim believes in 'Live and Let Live'. Even when a Hindu is provoked, he thinks twice before committing any brutual act. He knows, he cannot bring back life to anyone, and therefore, thinks that he has no right to take anybody's life. Such noble thinkings come from only Hindus, whereas other religions openly advocates agression, annihilism perpetuating barbaric acts.
It is because of this tolerent behavious that christianity and islamism is growing in INdia. To understand this you do not have to look at anywhere. Just see the actions of HRD Minister, how dear it is for him the minorities.
Hell with this government. I once again appeal all Hindus to united and overthrow this anti-hindu government.
There is a lot of difference between France, China or Japan and India. India is a country with multi-culture and multi language. Yet there is one thread that binds us together and that is Hinduism. If not for Hindusim we would have disintegrated much earlier.
The way two people look at life is different. For an youngster, life is something to be enjoyed, vibrant and colourful. For the old, especially if they are religious, they know there is nothing in this life and all those things for which he has been longing for, are just mirages. There is a stage, one one come to the conclusion that the whole universe is a 'maya' and you start believing in adi shankaras advaita. And the fact is that the whole world is a maya. But if everybody starts thinking like that and turn into saints, then the world will come to a stand still. I am not a fanatics, but i am a staunch believer of Hinduism. I don't mind what my christian or muslim neibour is doing, as long as it doesn't interfere into my personal life. But if the very existence of my religion is in danger, i will have to do something about it - preferrably through ballot than bullet.
RE:RE:RE:RE:food for thought
by on on Sep 15, 2007 10:53 AM Permalink
Babu this Non violence is good, but the problem dont turn yourself into fundamentalist and dont try to save country by the name of religion, learn France or China. People in France are christians but they keep it upto their home same in China, there also musilms and christians but they think only about country, not about religion. The theory of superiority never be accepted on papers for that we have to do and prove it, I also want that Ram Setu should not be demolished but not on religious ground but on geographical and enviornmental ground, If you will remove any geographical body it always have adverse affect on flora and fauna. And even indian subcontinent may be in danger.
RE:RE:RE:RE:food for thought
by on on Sep 15, 2007 10:47 AM Permalink
For your acknowledgement neither I am Muslim nor Christian, I am just like you but with broader thinking.
RE:food for thought
by riir on Sep 15, 2007 10:07 AM Permalink
Hahaha so you are saying discovery channel has proven koran/bible, resurrection, buraq, walking on water, splitting of moon and all that crap? There is no proof that Ram sethu was formed by continental shift either. The existence of homoerectus 2 million years ago is equivalent to treta yuga. You cannot find any artifacts which are 2 million years old to prove their civilization because they cannot remain for this long time. By the way, vishnu doesnt lie inside the ocean that you are thinking. I cant blame you because your religions have stunted your growth. "Maha-Vishnu sleeps within the Causal Ocean, innumerable universes are generated with His breathing. These floating universes are scattered all over the Causal Ocean. They stay during a breath of Maha-Visnu". This is a deep and philosophical explanation of creation. In any case the Quran and bible thinks that the earth was created 4000 something BC which is definitely false. The Hindu timeline is much closer to reality as we know it :)
RE:RE:food for thought
by on on Sep 15, 2007 10:45 AM Permalink
Mr RIIR hindus always trys to attach each story and event with science because you know these all are fake and cannot prove thatswhy giving such excuses that vishnu is breathing and all your mothers are getting pregnant. World is changing and your grand childrens will come out from this dirty coverage. The question of Rama is asked first time this is just begining and this is already going in christian countries about christ. As more and more people become educated they will not believe that all animals and trees our god.
Trees and animals should be worshipped. Hinduism is the only relgion in the world that gives due rspect to every creature on earth. A true Hindu always try to go with nature and not against it.
Have you heard about Chinmayananda. He was an ordinary Nair, (Hindu)youth from Kerala with a little tilt towards communism and scoffed at rishi munis. He came to Hardwar to expose these saints. Stayed in one of the Ashrams, and learned a lot from them. The man who cam eto expose them himself becase a saint and established Chinmayanada missions across the globe. Your criticism will diminish when you know the facts, be it on religion or anyhthing else. The more you learn, the more you come closer to the actual facts and then you will realise you will have little ammunition to attack.
A learned man will restrain himself from contraversy. He will not deny anything, because for denying you do not need any qualification. It is negative aspect any beggar can do that. To say something positive, you should have knowledge on the subject.
RE:RE:RE:RE:food for thought
by on on Sep 15, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
Babu we do not have to worship trees or any other thing but have to protect for our own existence and to save this world. In western world lot of organisations are working to prtect it, its same like chipko aandolan.
RE:food for thought
by riir on Sep 15, 2007 10:38 AM Permalink
the only way you prove such a thing is by finding a skeleton of a man 1 million years old. It may exist or may be decomposed. Even if its found, we do not have a DNA to compare it and prove anything so this argument is useless. My point was that no religion can be proved so why single hindus out? Which dalit's ear did Rama pour lead into? Can you show it in Ramayana? As for discrimination..wife beating, pedophilia, ownership of slaves, rape of slaves, killings, maimings are all present and encouraged in the Quran. Mohammed himself committed pedophilia, owned slaves, raped slave girls and was engaged in killings. so dont bullshit
RE:RE:food for thought
by on on Sep 15, 2007 10:59 AM Permalink
riir you will not believe I am also from Brahamin family, even I can prove it, My dada taught all this stories in child hood, the incident I mentioned you ask from any brahamin or ask from Shyam Benegal, he directed serila discovery of India and I have seen all that serial. That was long serial and close to the reality, But cursing others never leads you to the path of progress.
RE:RE:food for thought
by on on Sep 15, 2007 10:46 AM Permalink
Visnu has just told her name to hindus that I am breathing and universe is forming and I am the only God.
RE:RE:food for thought
by on on Sep 15, 2007 11:08 AM Permalink
Actually RIIR, First Yuga was SAT YUG, where only brahamins are allowed to read, write and listen, the Vedas and Godly world, Kshatrya could just listen and read, Vaishya could just listen, and shudras were not allowed at all. In TRETA YUGA which came before the DWAPAR YUGA there, Kshatriya also got permission to get trained read, write and listen all scriptures, After that in DWAPAR YUGA Vaishya were also allowed And in this KALYUGA everyone is allowed to do all activities.
RE:food for thought
by on Sep 15, 2007 08:54 AM Permalink
Well the difference my friend is that no one is opposing building anything in Abraham's homeland especially when it is economically good for an entire nation.
RE:RE:food for thought
by riir on Sep 15, 2007 09:05 AM Permalink
well Mr. on since you have accepted that all these things I mentioned are myths, why dont we bring down all the mosques and use the space for developing roads and infrastructure which are economically good for the nation. Guess what no proof for Mohd and his prophethood = no islam. So lets bring down all the mosques asap.
RE:food for thought
by riir on Sep 15, 2007 09:11 AM Permalink
hahaha truth hurts is it? when you have no answer you just report the msg as abuse when what I posted is no abuse but a logical reply to on's post. here it is once more: well Mr. on since you have accepted that all these things I mentioned are myths, why dont we bring down all the mosques and use the space for developing roads and infrastructure which are economically good for the nation. Guess what no proof for Mohd and his prophethood = no islam. So lets bring down all the mosques asap.
RE:food for thought
by riir on Sep 15, 2007 09:40 AM Permalink
First of all, vanaras were not monkeys. And there is no denying the fact that ravana was a very learned and powerful person. But I dont understand the point of ur post except that you want to abuse. You havent replied to my assertions that there are no proofs or validity for islamic and christian entities, their prophethood or their miracles.
RE:Please consider the economic impact as well
by FAPS on Sep 15, 2007 08:58 AM Permalink
Sorry to put it this way, but if you sold the women-folk in your house on the street, you could make a hefty profit. Would you consider doing that? I don't think so. Sam way, there certain things that are off-limits. This is not a North/South thing. If we stay united and don't hurt eachother's sentiments, we will all prosper.
RE:Please consider the economic impact as well
by Dev Sankar on Sep 15, 2007 10:32 AM Permalink
Thanks for opening my eyes to the fact. I am glad to know that you consider women in the house same as stone underwater.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Please consider the economic impact as well
by Ramanath Babu on Sep 15, 2007 10:10 AM Permalink
Idiot, you seem to be a ba s t a r d know nothing about our religion. It is time for you people to be bundled out either to Pakistan or Rome
RE:Please consider the economic impact as well
by ASHUTOSH SINGH on Sep 15, 2007 09:25 AM Permalink
Mr South Indian. How much economics, do you know. RamSetu is an important heritage. Such important structures should be protected at all cost. Just yesterday Dubai has built the tallest building on this planet, & its still incomplete. they will go another 250meters more. they are spending so much money to build a man-made tourism structure. and India is destroying an already exising one. Economic development has nothing to do with South India or North India. Its the nation s a whole. By making Ramsetu an international tourism destination, GOVT OF INDIA will make muuch more money than as proposed. ASHUTOSH SINGH from Toronto Canada
RE:Please consider the economic impact as well
by Dev Sankar on Sep 15, 2007 10:16 AM Permalink
Hahahahaha....
You make me so sick, that I don't have a response except to throw up. If you are such a true indian why are you in Canada mitr.
Go back home and stand in front of the destruction and ask them to kill you before they destroy it. If you worry so much do that. You are nothing but an unhappy person maybe because you dont have anything worthwhile to to live for, you put your faith in stone under the sea. Ram (Vishnu) is all over the world in every atom don't look for him in stone buried underwater.
Muslims here have been saying that Shri Ram setu needs to be destroyed for "development" so that we save 250 crores a year. I have an idea. We must impose jizya on Muslims. The money crores and crores of rupees can be spent on infrastructure and development. I am sure Muslims will not mind as this idea comes from their holy book itself that majority must impose jizya tax on minority. Muslims have done the same to us and continue to do it in Muslim countries. They cannot be opposed to this excellent idea!
RE:solution
by mainst on Sep 15, 2007 09:32 AM Permalink
what was the reason the bridge was built? so the bunch of monkeys can cross the body of water to defeat The Tamil King Raven who has stolen Sitaji and flew away to Shrilanka. So we can say for sure Raven was more powerfull than ramji who depended on bunch of annoying monkeys who continue to bother and terrorise the train commuters all over the ramland
RE:solution
by on on Sep 15, 2007 10:06 AM Permalink
Your problem you know only half truth go and see discovery channel, they have mentioned each step and stone, written in Kuran/Bible, But in India till now no one has tried to do. I am very sure 99% written scripture you cannot prove it. One more question why do you mention everything in BC, why cannot be you change into RC or RD, because you dont have any proof. Ram Setu was formed by continental shilft as Himalaya formed, and many other land and water bodies formed around 2million years ago and modern man existed just few 10 thousands years ago, so dont mix your mythology with science, fact is that each culture ahve such stories, nobody can believe them blindly. You are comparing Hanuman, Angad, Sugreev and Bali with other apes species like Homoerectus, So their skull size shows they were just monkey and existed 4 millions ago. They didnt founded any Civilization. About Your yuga theory so each yuga contained millions of years if you will follow all these things then you will reach in Dianosaurs age. How can you prove all Inder devta and Apsaray, Ram is an Avatar of Vishnu, so Vishnu should be in ocean where is he? Missing from the sea. All these stories about any religion is useless and I am very sure our generation or next will not ready to accept all these craps
The essential tale of Rama has also spread across South East Asia, and evolved into unique renditions of the epic - incorporating local history, folktales, religious values as well as unique features from the languages and literary discourse.
The Kakawin Ramayana of Java, Indonesia, the Ramakavaca of Bali, Hikayat Seri Rama of Malaysia, Maradia Lawana of the Philippines, Ramakien of Thailand (which calls him Phra Ram) are great works with many unique characteristics and differences in accounts and portrayals of the legend of Rama.
The legends of Rama are witnessed in elaborate illustration at the Wat Phra Kaew temple in Bangkok. The national epic of Myanmar, Yama Zatdaw is essentially the Burmese Ramayana, where Rama is named Yama. In the Reamker of Cambodia, Rama is known as Preah Ream. In the Pra Lak Pra Lam of Laos, Buddha is regarded as an incarnation of Rama.
