Sonis should not forget that she is in a country where hundus are in majority. offcourse , she can sympathesise with muslims and christinas , but ignoring hindus will cause a big trouble for congree govt. hence, it is in congress intrest that hindus sentiments should also be taken care of , u cant ignore them.
RE:Cannot ignore Hindus
by srinivasan Murugesa on Sep 15, 2007 11:34 AM Permalink
How long Hindus r going to remain majority man? As long as the OTHERS keep having multiple wives and the only task of populating wherever they live? Or as long as the book says GO FORTH and Multiply?
RE:Cannot ignore Hindus
by Zabardast on Sep 15, 2007 11:38 AM Permalink
Dont worry Mr. Srinivasan . Hindus will always be in Majority. TYhings like high cost of living will promt them to have smaller families. the trend has already started among muslims. u cannot keep multiplying just like that . u have to stop at one stage otherwise it will be a problem for themselves only.I think muslims have begun to understand this .
According to Islam all humans are children of Adam & Eve.So we are all brothers and sisters.Similarly according to Islam Allah sent his prophets in large no to spread his message.Ram was probably a messanger(Prophet) of Allah just like Muhammad(PBUH) as well as Jesus Christ(PBUH) and Abraham(PBUH).So being a Muslim I have to show respect to a person who was probably a Prophet of Allah.I dont deny his existence.I think that this should be the attitude of all Muslims.
RE:Ram was probably a Prophet of Allah
by Zabardast on Sep 15, 2007 11:32 AM Permalink
Mr. Zia Khalid , Ram is not a messanger of God , He is the God Himself. If u dont know things , then please dont comment.
RE:Ram was probably a Prophet of Allah
by caspian on Sep 15, 2007 11:39 AM Permalink
zia you ideot dont comment if you dont know and it seems you are niether a muslim or hindu you are a chakka
RE:Ram was probably a Prophet of Allah
by nirav shah on Sep 15, 2007 11:45 AM Permalink
jst chek ur History. again dnt start d fight again. v want to live peacefully & dnt panic us. if u want to say such things, u all go frm where u came from
RE:Ram was probably a Prophet of Allah
by Naresh Narain Mathur on Sep 15, 2007 11:46 AM Permalink
You have done it. If majority muslims start thinking like you, no way the manmohans and sonias deny Ram. They are not that couragious to say anything against Muslims. Masterstroke to solve the problem.
RAM is my, our existence. let me remind you, through history, No-one could not survive so far "anti Ram. Over thousands of years, moslems & christians with all their might and influence could not take away RAM from us. so these feeble politicians can't do anything.
RE:RIGHTLY SAID !!!
by srinivasan Murugesa on Sep 15, 2007 11:36 AM Permalink
THEY wl take away YOU , ALL HINDUS and RAM, if you keep this secular nonsense. Demand ur rights man.
It is not even certain that the Lanka of the Ramayana is the Lanka of today. Ram Sethu is the obscurantists' latest rallying point - back to the dark ages! BTW, Vajpayee was the PM and Advani the Home Minister when the project was originally sanctioned!
RE:Back to the dark ages!
by srinivasan Murugesa on Sep 15, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
You were there with Vajpayee and Advani when they decided? Celebrating Babri Masjid day every year is not taking back the countries centuries back?
RE:Back to the dark ages!
by Zabardast on Sep 15, 2007 11:44 AM Permalink
You r right Mr. Srinivasan . i support u on this. Muslims have pludered india when they attacked us . so why dont we choose a day which symbolises that hindus were butchered by muslim invaders and mark it every year. becoz our religin do not permit hatred. but dont know abt muslims . why the zihad concept is there in the books . it has blindfolded the muslim youths over centuries and made them to commit violence all over the world which is still continuing.
dear readers if surveyors have found the truth then are you people so worried. i think you are scaring for religion which is based on myth will end up. soon
RE:fact is fact
by Jigesh Parneria on Sep 15, 2007 11:25 AM Permalink
that is why HINDU still there even after rules and bashed by mughals and christants for more than 500 years..!!
look around the world and see who is distroying and to whom.!!
RE:fact is fact
by caspian on Sep 15, 2007 11:27 AM Permalink
no moghals pardoned hindus otherwise there will be no hindus in india if they enforce their religion on their praja.
RE:RE:fact is fact
by Marco Polo on Sep 15, 2007 11:31 AM Permalink
couldn't.they were keeping 5000 women in their harems and wining and dining.So no time left to enforce religion
RE:RE:fact is fact
by abdul wahab on Sep 15, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
millions of hindus were persucuted either killed or converted at sword point by the muslim invaders of the muslim century...moghals induced jazziya on hindus...killed them...but still hindus survi8ved...hinduism against all odds is the worlds third largest religion..and as big as islam.
hinduism 14.6% of world population islam 16/7% of world population
THE WONDERFUL THING IS THAT NO ONE IN HINDUISM WORKED WITH AN AGENDA TO CONVERT PEOPLE UNLIKE CHRISTIANITY, BUDHISM, ISLAM AND SO ON.
RE:fact is fact
by tan on Sep 15, 2007 12:34 PM Permalink
Islam does not forcefully convert people ok. Islam was such then india would have been 100% pure islamic state you name would have been really what is it not disguised.. Sounther europe would also have been islamic states.... Hinduism did not survive against all odds. Hindus which itself was goin to be destroyed as a result of their caste system , racism etc needed foreign religion to unit them and keep their identity. If no religions would have invaded india , hindus and its religion would have died from within so thank the moguls and brits for keeping hinduism intact...
RE:fact is fact
by Goonda on Sep 15, 2007 11:27 AM Permalink
Our hindu religion is atleast based on myth and truth but your religion is based on foolish idea and lies. Our religion has surveyed for long and your religion will die an premature death in its infancy.
RE:fact is fact
by neetu vasvi vinod on Sep 15, 2007 11:19 AM Permalink
Rama was our brother, our father, our king, a superior human being with all those good qualities and principles. We have not seen God, but we have so many avatars of god, like (RAMA), who preaches us to be a good human being with high values in our day to day activity. Today because of the hindus, the world is still a peaceful place to live. Sanskrit,art,vedas music etc, is our property, others have picked some drops from it. No other religion has so much depth as is ours. Tomorrow u will rob ours and say it is yours. Everybody%u2019s life itself is a story, when my mother would tell me about her grandfather, she would narrate as a stories.
After lakhs of years even your existence would be a question? Think that way. So many changes would have taken place over lakhs of years, so one has no right to question the oldest religion on this earth. It is rightly said OLD is GOLD.
RE:fact is fact
by Krazy Feryou on Sep 15, 2007 11:35 AM Permalink
hey caspian, dude get your english right when you address us ignorant, mythological minded right wing ding bats. we take umbrage when dudes like you - ie unfit for debate of any type, leave alone on a national forum - try to get in your two bits. to improve your english, may i recommend reading The Da Vinci Code?
RE:fact is fact
by Marco Polo on Sep 15, 2007 11:18 AM Permalink
can you rephrase?is your religion based on solid facts like having a god,an old male ,caucasian,with a gray beard,who speaks only arabic and Hebrew and who gives the tile of the only Son of God to just one man or to a killer?
RE:RE:fact is fact
by on Sep 15, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
Dear Mr. Polo,
Please have your facts right. Do you consider the New testament to be filled with solid facts... or a handbook designed by a bunch of roman politicians to suit their political pursuits. I am not against any religion, but when you get down to arguing fact over fiction, let me give you a piece of my mind. If you have lost the ability to live and let live, no amount of education makes you superior.
There can be so many controversies surrounding any religion. Do you have an answer to Mary Magdalene, which could capsize the very notion of chastity among your priests, or do you have an answer for the Dark Ages where your religious institution burnt many great personalities at stake. It is ultimately one's sensibility and tolerance that comes above all. So don't ever question my religion, because I ain't questioning yours. You only tend to question others faith, when you are in self-doubt. Are you in self-doubt? Do you want to reinforce yourself about your faith by trying to pull down the rest? Ever wondered why Hinduism never tried to eliminate other religions nor did it try to convert the rest? I don't mean to raise it to superlative principles. It is just that there were no other religions to pull down when it existed, for it were the only one. And just think who would try to convert everyone, the one who is insecure, and has entered into the fray pretty late. Isn't there a scientific basis to everything in life?
RE:RE:RE:fact is fact
by suraj on Sep 15, 2007 12:09 PM Permalink
Not understood the last line, Talking relgeuos history throughout and finally ending with science.Do you mean to say that religeon led to science, or science led to relgeon, or both different entities. In this forum I have found the majority accapting the first one.
RE:fact is fact
by Prasadh Babu on Sep 15, 2007 11:24 AM Permalink
Hi, Don't you think that a man can exist with out a religion? What was the religion of the first human on the earth?
RE:fact is fact
by suraj on Sep 15, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
Without religeon, ie. love. tolerance etc etc, first human would have applied for divorce or murdered the famale out of jealosy. Instead of humans dinosures might be living on earth. If you can see God on other people, how can poke your interest on others just for nothing. That is what Indian commies are doing, without emphazing on socialism they propagate atheism. That is the reason for their failure in India.
RE:fact is fact
by abdul wahab on Sep 15, 2007 11:24 AM Permalink
which religion is not based on myth....the christians believed Jesus rusurrection after 3 days of his cruxification, scientifically impossible. muslims live for jannath and the 72 hoories, again no gauranty or proof for that....The God itsef is myth, we dont have any proof that God exist..but we feel the existence of God.
RE:fact is fact
by sameer meher on Sep 15, 2007 11:27 AM Permalink
He is the 21st century person whose forefathers who were Hindus were Converted forecibly by either Portugals/ afghans. caspian , I believe that your forefathers are not any afghani / portugal , You are Forced converted MUSLIM/CHRISTAIN.. and in this 21st century u are giving us advices..
RE:fact is fact
by Sachin Pednekar on Sep 15, 2007 11:52 AM Permalink
Mr caspian, Only Hindu religion has survived through the test of time. Look at what your religions (Islam and Christianity) have done to the other older great religions of ancient times such as Greek, Roman, Zoratrianism (it survived only in Hindu-dominated India). They were simply wiped out from the face of the world but only Hinduism survived. And I am sure because of the untold misery that your religions are causing to humanity, Lord Ram will empower Hindus and other like minded religions to wipe out these 2 evil and satanic religions from the face of the world and free humanity. Jai Shree Ram..
With one stroke "scientifially and historically no evidence establishes existence of "Ram" has wiped off "Hindus",its Religion, Mandirs and country known "Hindustan" all over the world. This hallucination is committed by ASI, Ministry
of Cultural Affairs & Ministry of Law.To suspend two Govt. Officers pending investigation
and formation of mechanism is to save Ministers looking after the Departments. Now nothing is left in our country to cherish Ram whose name starts with the new born and who departs from Hindustand. This maligns the UPA Govt and shadows Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh who has given independent charge to the senior political elected representatives of the people.
RE:You are noble people
by M.Srinivasan , Kengs India on Sep 15, 2007 11:18 AM Permalink
True. It is so easy to say Ram, Christ or Mohammed do NOT exist. So dont criticise me when i say all people following individual human beings like Ram, Christ or Mohammed are fools.
RE:You are noble people
by Krazy Feryou on Sep 15, 2007 11:39 AM Permalink
gosh, again and again i have to keep telling you guys to read The Da Vinci Code to get a handle of the english language before engaging us right wing, hateful, critical idiots.
know what G, theres a message from JOB in it. something about coming THUS FAR AND NO FURTHER.
Lets not abuse any religion.When will we all grow up.As per Islam all humans including Hindus are children of Adam & Eve.So we are all brothers and sisters.According to Islam Allah sent his prophets everywhere.Ram was probably a Prophet.So was Krishna.Later generations dluted the message.I repeat we are all children of Adam & Eve and therefore brothers and sisters.Iam a muslim who is keeping roza at the moment.I want to tell my Hindu Brothers that Ibelieve that RAM was there.He was a Prophet of Allah.Please brothers we should not hate each other.
RE:We should stop hating each other guys.We are all Brothers & sisters
by A Gurusaran on Sep 15, 2007 11:29 AM Permalink
we do not hate any religion or its followers but absolutely hate the minority appeasement policies, reservation for muslims n christians, distribution of our tax money on the basis of religion on the excuse of sachchar committe,encouraging madarsa education, not implementing tough ant terror law to stop bombing of hindus, hurting hindus at all possible opportunities like asking for proof of RAM.. all in the name of secularism by this useless n real communal congress n UPA govt... i want to ask you is it secularism... we hindus are totally disillusioned with this secularism n secular parties n their wrong divisive policies... you will certainly not complain as you are a beneficiary of this policy so i am not expecting anything from you but stop preaching but we are not communal and we have nothing against muslims n islam or chritianity or budhism etc.. we 80 crore hindus will teach a lesson to this congress govt in next election...thts for sure if they think by hurting hindus n appeasing minorities they can win elections.. enough is enough...
RE:We should stop hating each other guys.We are all Brothers & sisters
by Krazy Feryou on Sep 15, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
gurusaran, bro, ur the man! ur first para reads like my 'Bible'. actually, to elaborate ur point: MY INCOME TAX is deducted at source at 30% for the foll purposes: 1) get PoK terrorists to come to Jammu to study while kashmiri pundits rot 2) allow bangladeshi aliens to flood india n screw the labour conditions 3) send politicians' children to study abroad (starting with manmohan singh), while they implement reservation against my children 4) make fatwas on danes and imranas alike, monetarily reward muslims for having more children (in UP under MSYadav), beat up tasleema nasreen, shelter/ give SIM cards to 'relatives' 5) force reservation in private companies/ IIT-IIMs (the ONLY places left in this country where MERIT is rewarded) I am so pissed now that i cant continue!!!
RE:We should stop hating each other guys.We are all Brothers & sisters
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 15, 2007 11:20 AM Permalink
You are right. However - most non-muslims think muslims use the word Kaffir for them and will always discriminate against them. ( such as a muslim is not allowed to side with a Kaffir ). Till such time as change happens - non-muslims will always react on account of mistrust and fear.
RE:We should stop hating each other guys.We are all Brothers & sisters
by abdul wahab on Sep 15, 2007 11:26 AM Permalink
I too agree Mr.Khalid, I myself is a muslim but believe that India always has the esscence of Ram.
RE:We should stop hating each other guys.We are all Brothers & sisters
by neetu vasvi vinod on Sep 15, 2007 11:30 AM Permalink
Adam and eve are just stories 2000 years old(made by a specific community), hindu religion is more than ten thousand years old. Mahabharat, itself took place ten thousand years back.We only believe in one ulmighty lord that is NIRANKARA and others are avatars or true messengers of GOD, one can attain the same position with good deeds and many years of tapasyas. U read our vedas, and u will understand the dept, it is completely scientific based, and all the researches were already been done and is mentioned in sanskrit. Om Shanti
RE:We should stop hating each other guys.We are all Brothers & sisters
by Marco Polo on Sep 15, 2007 11:22 AM Permalink
Can we have that in writing? As a group,your Islamic teachings usaully goes with the wind. We are not children of Middle Eastern Adam and Eve.Please consider them as your forefathers but spare us.We believe in evolution,not Adam and Eve.
RE:We should stop hating each other guys.We are all Brothers & sisters
by nirav shah on Sep 15, 2007 11:26 AM Permalink
my dear friend........ hindu religion is older then muslim religion. i am agreeing with you that we shouldnot fight with each other, bt it doesnt mean that whatever you are telling is truth.
Ram is the god who is symbolised for father bro relation, bro & bro relation, etc.
politician have said for hindus, there is no existence of RAM. Instead of that if he would have said, there is no existence of Allah, then? i am sure, not a single muslim will keep shut his mouth. Evry 1 vl start supporting laden.
so friend, dnt say that ne god is prophet of Allah, vr respecting ur religion bt it doesnt mean u r superior.
Rather i would say that Allah was a prophet of RAM & Krishna. To spread the message of Peace in ur area.
Pls note that NATURE in Nashik is being destroyed slowly. All the hills along Mumbai Nasik Highway near Garware / datar switch gear are being eroded gradually. Nashik is becoming a desert day by day.
