The point is that we the educated class of people know that the present government is playing petty politics in the name of religon. However the thing to be noted is that if i do not vote for this party in the coming elections, there is still a very good chance for the same cohorted gang(UPA) coming to power after the election results are announced in the name of preventing communal forces governing India. So whats the way out of this? Should not post poll alliances be banned for they are simply opportunistic. If these so called secular forces are so intersted in governing the country, then why dont they declare the alliance before the elections itself, so that the common man knows whom to vote for before hand itself..There should be some way out of this, so that the political parties can stop exploiting these loopholes.
RE:politics is disgusting
by Abhijit Bhowmick on Sep 15, 2007 01:20 PM Permalink
That is exactly the problem with the Indian election system. Why dont EC declares whatever alliances u have b4 election will be same after election. Political parties as soon as they see there is no absolute majority in hte parliament they scramble together to form government. Politics is slowing down the growth of this nation and we talk of beating China. Either we have Us system of federal election or have a one party system.
Ramayan is an epic, ASI directors are scientific people, why to suspend them when they were doing their job. Congress like all other major political parties are nothing but petty political parties running after vote banks.
The vested interest of some is taking the very soil under their feet away by trusting the deceivers.Those who cannot respect other religions is initself a drawback their religion teaches them.Convertionsand elimination are some to the examples that bring shame to this democratic country.Hinduism does not beleivein elimination and conversion of faith.It calls out "Sarvaha smastaha sukino bavantu".which simply means let every one live in peace and happiness.There are many who shamefully do not belong here as they do not know the discipline of hinduism.Does any other religion respect any others sentiments.No,as one finds only a hindu who gives respect at a church,mosque,or any religious centers.As hinduism teaches all God is one.If the very legent of Ram is forgotten this very nations existence would have changed as tolerance would be the last word one would know.One reason this nation still is a democratic is due to hinduism.So it surely demands a second thought.
RE:RE:Ramrajya will remain a dream if those who read Ramayana ignore justice to this nation.............
by avinandan datta on Sep 15, 2007 01:14 PM Permalink
If Hinduism teaches that "god is one" then pray explain why the priests (who can communicate with god) in Sabrimala do not allow women, on-hindus, lower castes etc to enter the temple. DOes their form of Hinduism not tell them that all people are made by the one god?
RE:Ramrajya will remain a dream if those who read Ramayana ignore justice to this nation.............
by anoop anantharaman on Sep 15, 2007 01:18 PM Permalink
the priests have no copyright...if u dont believe, u dont believe...thats it...
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by Ramanath Babu on Sep 15, 2007 01:32 PM Permalink
You communist datta, when women have no prolem with that custom, why do you worry about it?
First we will have to put you communist in the right place. Then only india can progress.,
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by avinandan datta on Sep 15, 2007 02:11 PM Permalink
Communist? Let me give you another word. Assumption. You assume that women do not have a problem with it. And you naturally assume that I am a communist because I am Bengali. That would make even the priests in Sabrimala communists because they are in Kerala.
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by Amal Prasad on Sep 15, 2007 01:45 PM Permalink
Mr Datta,
I am sorry to see your pathetic ignorance. As per science, the anatomy of all the femailes of a species is same. Could you please tell me why the people ogle some of the females with lust and others are treated with deference and respect and yet another is treated with fatherly love? Same is the case here. The day you start treating the women folks with respect, you would understand the logic behind Sabrimala's restriction.
RE:Ramrajya will remain a dream if those who read Ramayana ignore justice to this nation.............
by avinandan datta on Sep 15, 2007 02:08 PM Permalink
oh. ok. its that simple. So they dont allow women inside Sabrimala because I ogle at women?
OK, everybody, lets take stock of the situation Hindus find themselves in.
Starting with Good Ole US/ Europe - despite owning the silicon valley and providing the oil that makes USA tick, India doesnt even get a mention as a nation battling islamic terrorism. Why? Because its a Hindu country. Regularly i hear tales of european racism from my friends, racism directed towards HINDU Indians, for being smarter, better educated and cleverer than the rest of the world. and now more affluent. So? Penalise me. Sue me. Bite me.
Cut to the Far East - chinese treat indians living in china like beings little above the lavatory cockroach, apart frm laughing with their US friends that Indians are always bashing china for no reason other than jealousy. YEAH.
I stay in Taipei currently and read an article in the local paper by a white guy on Cambodia. He trashed the country because it was filled with supine and compliant imbeciles who were like this all because of their INDIA/ HINDU influenced culture. he went on to lavishly praise countries he'd visited - which had a Sino influence - as being energetic and go-to. Thats the respect Hindus have in this corner. And all this despite the HINDU island of Bali being bombed, Thailand facing a deadly Malay Muslim inspired islamic terrorism, Australians harrassed by lebanese and our own SIM card loaning home-growns.
And the Middle East? despite having ancient ties with Afghanistan (they were HINDUS not too long ago), Hindu south indians get ki
RE:HINDUS UNDER ATTACK.
by cycube on Sep 15, 2007 01:11 PM Permalink
In a country with 82% Hindoo population, its very puzzling why the Hindoo BJJP party has not even managed to get a simple majority in Parliament even once. Hindoos have only themselves to blame for their plight.
RE:HINDUS UNDER ATTACK.
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 15, 2007 01:21 PM Permalink
y friends, racism directed towards HINDU Indians, for being smarter, better educated and cleverer than the rest of the world. >> another of your foolish delusions. As per all the studies - average Indian IQ is 85 , that of whites is 100 , chinese 105, Japanese 115 and so on ... we have a huge problem buddy. India is just not doing enough in terms of inventions and a miniscule percentage doing OK in the west is not such indication. The software work in done in India is mediocre process oriented work and nothing path breaking to be proud of.
RE:HINDUS UNDER ATTACK.
by Krazy Feryou on Sep 15, 2007 01:31 PM Permalink
dude, i wrote that bit abt 'educated hindus who are travelling abroad.'
but since u mean well, lemme say that the avg indian iq cant be more than 85 because they are 1) illiterate 2) mal nourished 3) working the fields/ driving trucks/ dying of AIDS and 4) because they dont know enough english to take the IQ test.
RE:HINDUS UNDER ATTACK.
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 15, 2007 02:43 PM Permalink
IQ tests are done with local language - customised to the extent possible. IQ has bearing on environment but not enough to take care of inter-racial differences and there are deviations to the mean to create what we call a bell curve on either side. India will have brilliant people due to size of population but not enough to say challenge US and China.
I did not know that Rediff has turned into a Hindu propaganda tool. Are you serious? I am an Indian. And I was born in a Hindu family. But i DO NOT agree with you. You say that faith should be accepted unquestionably. Think again. Widow's were not allowed to remarry till a century ago because our religion prohibited it. Sati was allowed ( and some people still believe in it) because faith was not questioned. Child marriages are still prevalent across the country because faith has allowed it. Questioning such practices can only lead to betterment of the society. Do you think we should allow caste system because our ancestors believed in it? I hope your answer will be No. If it is not, then this entire message is useless. But if you said Yes, then just stop and think. Should we not ask any questions?
RE:denying ram is denying india?
by g sekhar on Sep 15, 2007 01:33 PM Permalink
dear datta., u need to know that some recent practices do not reflect hinduism. hindu dharma is too long., and if u have a little interest in history., or atleast in searching in google., u will find that widow-remarriage was allowed from the time of manu. All the rules for widow remarriage have been specified., and are not much different from today's 'modern' specifications. to go a step further., women had every right to leave their husbands, when their husbands dint fulfill certain criteria., for example., if the man is unable to beget., she had right to leave him. and regarding child marriage., it was chosen to address the body's natural desire. Sati is also a very recent tradition., where women chose it to protect themselves from invading forces. of course., these practices blowed out of proportion and it was required to control them., hence all these laws preventing those things from happening.
Lord Rama belonged to Treta yug., and it is natural that many evidences of his time have withered away., and just because something is not 'filmed' or accepted by 'western historians'., we can't deny the existence of Lord Rama. One important point to be noted., i'm not supporting blind faith., if something horrible is going on in the name of Lord Rama or under the guise of religion., we all must question it., but to question the existence of historical record of rama is something that is idiotic.
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by avinandan datta on Sep 15, 2007 01:47 PM Permalink
Shekhar, I did not understand the last part. We do not have evidence, yet questioning his existence is idiotic? The history I read was based on evidence. Do you really believe that all mankind has originated from Manu? Is that possible? And is there any evi . . . oops sorry. I will not ask for evidence.
Let me go back to the point of sati. Please read your scriptures again (or Google again if you prefer that). There are references to sati in the Ramayan and Mahabharat. Did Madri not commit sati? The puranas have references to sati. And I will shamelessly copy paste from Wikipedia to give an example. "A wife who dies in the company of her husband shall remain in heaven as many years as there are hairs on his person. (Garuda Purana 1.107.29)"
Even Rediff search will do just fine man. Go read.
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by Amal Prasad on Sep 15, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
Coming to caste system: It is still prevalent today both in the west and in India - the only thing is that you can NOT recognize them in its modern form. The off-spring of politicians are often politician, medicos are medicos, actors are actors. The workforce is categorized as workers, executives and management with subdivisions in each of the categories. With time, this would evolve is a rigid structure that would force outsiders out and as the system degrades, who would you held responsible, the industrial revolution, the internet or what else. You would find the odds against you if you do NOt have a family support. This can be explained by the fact that Nehru-Gandhi family survives and is ruling us over four generations but Lal Bahadur Shastri's family is in political bewilderment.
RE:denying ram is denying india?
by avinandan datta on Sep 15, 2007 02:28 PM Permalink
you assume too much Amal. A little too much. Who said I believe in Adam and Eve. When I say I am atheist, I mean I do not believe in any religion. Btw ... LaKSHman was whose grandfather? I have indeed not read Ramayan. But I request you tell me that part. Lakshmand was whose grandfather?
And yes caste system is prevalent. And not only your very intelligently interpreted modern form. There are still villages in India, where "lower caste" people are not allowed to draw water from the same well. Or go into temples. Or walk the streets without a broom tied behind them to clean the "dirt". Now please dont tell me that even this is because I do not respect women.
RE:denying ram is denying india?
by Amal Prasad on Sep 15, 2007 02:10 PM Permalink
Mr. Datta,
I must ask, do you believe that entire human race originated from Adam and Eve (Forget Manu and Shatroopa). Pray, where did you find the evidence of sati in Ramayan: - All the three mothers of Lord Ram remained a widow - Madodari remarried Bhivishan and Bali's wife remarried sugreev. Angad, sugreev's stepson, was the cron prince. - If you are taking of Sulochana (Meghnad's wife). She did NOT commit sati. She sought revenge for her husband's death as per her vow and then, recognizing that Laxman was his grandfather, commited suicide for being unable to fulfil her vow.
Coming to Mahabharat: Matri felt herelf responsible for her husband's death and therefore, chose to die rather than live with the igonomy (Several debt-ridden people alos do so). If sati was so prevalent, why did NOT Kunti committed suicide (She was the first wife and therefore, greater in status to Madri). Don't go by Wikipedia, read garuda puran yourself and interpret it on your own. It is akin to believing that all americans have guns and have sex every hours be seeing hollywood films.
RE:denying ram is denying india?
by GK on Sep 15, 2007 01:04 PM Permalink
I being a hindu agree with you. And to add - may be these evil practises- sati, child marriage, etc were not part of the Hindusim originally. Over the time people mite have made them up for thier own benefits and with time these became part of our cultre.
RE:denying ram is denying india?
by Moo Glee on Sep 15, 2007 01:00 PM Permalink
Donot mix social customs and religion. It's as good as talking of 4 marriages whenever you talk of islam.
RE:denying ram is denying india?
by dilip davda on Sep 15, 2007 01:05 PM Permalink
bengalis alway nagative attitue. first we should thrown out these bengalis who only think about themselves not about the country they born ediots
RE:denying ram is denying india?
by anoop anantharaman on Sep 15, 2007 01:20 PM Permalink
english is not the question here, u colonial british bootlicker...move on...
RE:denying ram is denying india?
by avinandan datta on Sep 15, 2007 01:25 PM Permalink
I have learnt not to discriminate based on religion or region or language or color or creed. And that has nothing to do with the fact that Bangla is my mother toungue. The way you felt that Bengalis should be thrown out because they think about themselves before they think about their country (even if only you say so) I feel all religious bigots, Hindus or Muslims, should be thrown out of this country for thinking about their "faith" before their country.
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by avinandan datta on Sep 15, 2007 01:33 PM Permalink
Oh your are right. Duh! what was I thinking. My math teacher taught me the social customs. Not the priest in the temple.
RE:denying ram is denying india?
by anindya dey on Sep 15, 2007 01:32 PM Permalink
You need to learn proper grammar my friend, learn to write properly before posting.
MR TARUN VIJAY HAS BROUGHT THE EVOLUTION OF RAGHU VAMSA. GREAT. THE SIMPLE ARTICLE WHICH THREW LIGHT ON SRI RAM'S ANCESSTORAL HISTORY WAS APPRECIATED BY MANY HERE IN CHINA AS A GREAT WORK BY MR VIJAY.
WE SHOULD TAKE OUR HINDUISM TO OUTSIDE WORLD NOW AND SEE HOW IT RECEIVES THE RESPECT IT HAS BEEN DENIED ALL THESE 500 YEARS.
RE:Dravidians Are Monkeys
by pramod chaukar on Sep 15, 2007 01:20 PM Permalink
well educucated by currupted polititional people and their followers (black angrez),
dear writer, the problems arise when we forget to study/learn our culture and history. the RAMAYAN is a poetry, not a essay, written in tough sanskrit, it is translated in to many languages when the knowledge of sanskrit was damm and they make a fantassy story ( little balme to tulsidas too)
in ramayan, the Hanuman and their colleagues are called VANNARH , means the people (NAR) who lived in forest like culture (VAN), not the VANAR (later explained as monkey) by western people.
RE:Dravidians Are Monkeys
by Sukhoi on Sep 15, 2007 01:01 PM Permalink
Problem with the Indians dates back to thousands of years. Say from 1000 AD. Barbaric Muslim rulers started invading India. Later the British. During all these years, there is lack of 'Super-Strong' Unity!
One Indian ditches against other. One Indian back stabs against other. One Indian cheats against other. And, so on...
The very same "Sutra" is being exploited by these present day Politicians. What's more funny is Indians have never realized that they have lost their Power!!
HINDUS HAS LOST A LOT DUE TO LAKE OF NO UNITY AMONGST THEM.
REFER HISTORY, WHEN MUSLIM RULERS HAS ATTACKED HINDUSTAN THEY (MOHD. GAZANI AND OTHERS) HAS CULLED MILLIONS OF HINDUS. RIGHT NOW THOSE WHO CLAIM AS MUSLIMS WERE ORIGINALLY HINDU BUT TO SURVIVE THEY ACCEPTED ISLAM. THOSE WHO NOT AGREED GOT KILLED. HINDU WOMENS AS (BOOTY - MEANS REWARD OF WINNING WARS - AS WOMEN SLAVES) SOLD TO AFGANI AND PERSIAN COUNTRIES LESS THEN ONE FRANK PER NO. HIGHLY CIVILIZED HINDU GIRLS WERE SOLD TO ILLETRATE AFGANIS AND OTHER PATHANS FOR SEXUAL EXPLORATION - AS PERMITTED UNDER ISLAM - REFER HISTORY FOR PROOF.
THIS IS Right TIME TO GET UNITED.
ALL HINDUS PLEASE BE UNITED AND THROUGH OUT THOSE WHO CURSE OUR RELIGION.
IT IS A SHAMEFUL ACT BY THE LARGEST HINDU COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. NOWHERE IN THE WORLD SUCH THINGS WILL HAPPEN RENAMING TRADITIONAL MONUMENTS AND THEN DESTROYING IT. EVEN TO REMOVE QUEEN VICTORIA'S PIER IN HK, WHICH IS JUST OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, THE PEOPLE RAISE AND PROTEST.
ONE SHOULD BETTER GET OUT OF INDIA TO ENJOY THE RESPECT WE GET AS A HINDU.
RE:RAM SETHU
by dito on Sep 15, 2007 01:14 PM Permalink
Don't refer to India as a hindu country... Legally, India is a secular country... I guess only Nepal is a Hindu country...
If we belive Ram as a God who invaded Lanka like others prince because then he was not king!! Why we could not belive Samrat Ashoka as a God ??? Why we could not belive Samrat Akbar as a God??Why we could not belive Alexsende as a God,why we could not belive Hotler as a God???
RE:Denying Ram is denying India!!!hahahaaaaaaaaaaa what a foolish article!!!
by Abdullah Saikh on Sep 15, 2007 12:52 PM Permalink
Read Hitler not hotler!!
RE:Denying Ram is denying India!!!hahahaaaaaaaaaaa what a foolish article!!!
by samant kumar on Sep 15, 2007 12:58 PM Permalink
when u dont know abt things , please dont comment . you will look like fool then
RE:Denying Ram is denying India!!!hahahaaaaaaaaaaa what a foolish article!!!
by Abdullah Saikh on Sep 15, 2007 01:05 PM Permalink
wt u know abt dis?Explain?
RE:Denying Ram is denying India!!!hahahaaaaaaaaaaa what a foolish article!!!
by Moo Glee on Sep 15, 2007 12:53 PM Permalink
Why not any terrorist as prophet?
RE:Denying Ram is denying India!!!hahahaaaaaaaaaaa what a foolish article!!!
by hellboy on Sep 15, 2007 01:49 PM Permalink
why not prophet of paedophile?
RE:RE:Denying Ram is denying India!!!hahahaaaaaaaaaaa what a foolish article!!!
by hellboy on Sep 15, 2007 01:50 PM Permalink
Why not prophet as an author of a sexual and violent fantasy book ,the Quran?
RE:Denying Ram is denying India!!!hahahaaaaaaaaaaa what a foolish article!!!
by Ashok Patil on Sep 15, 2007 12:59 PM Permalink
Hey Moo Glee, that is spot on,you intllegent dude.
RE:Denying Ram is denying India!!!hahahaaaaaaaaaaa what a foolish article!!!
by anoop anantharaman on Sep 15, 2007 01:06 PM Permalink
ignorant fools like you wont understand , thats why there is no explanation....have an open mind...u will understand...be at peace with youself...dont fight with your bretheren...the world is one..only one god...whatever name he is called, jhowever he is worshipped...nobody is stopping you from worshipping ashoka or hitler for that matter...to each his belief as long as u dont f'ing tread on another's freedom...oh ignorant fool!!!! you just wasted three minutes of my time....
RE:Denying Ram is denying India!!!hahahaaaaaaaaaaa what a foolish article!!!
by Vikrum Dhar on Sep 15, 2007 01:10 PM Permalink
Abdullah, there is historical proof that Mohammed (Mo) existed. So is he called Prophet? Ram is an incarnation of Vishnu, a Prophet and not GOD, pretty much the same way as Mo! Though its a topic for serious debate whether you could call Mo prophet or the first INTERNATIONAL TERRORIST.
RE:Denying Ram is denying India!!!hahahaaaaaaaaaaa what a foolish article!!!
by Abdullah Saikh on Sep 15, 2007 01:23 PM Permalink
Yes he was incarnation of Vishnu!!! Who was a coward,who killed a Banar Bali behind a tree like a coward & Laxman who was incarnation's brother killed Mahaveer Indrajeet like a Kapurush when Indrajeet was in Pooja!!!!Bull shit!!
RE:Denying Ram is denying India!!!hahahaaaaaaaaaaa what a foolish article!!!
by Moo Glee on Sep 15, 2007 01:33 PM Permalink
Prophet is the sole warrior.
RE:PROVE PROPHET IS MESSENGER OF ALLAH
by Rajneesh Kumar on Sep 15, 2007 01:03 PM Permalink
If science is the absolute truth then what should Jesus be called, Considering "Virgin" Mary is the Mother. Live and let live. God is not dependent on any proofs or literature. He lives in everyone's heart and beliefs, no matter if they are Hindu, Muslim or Christians. The proper procedure would be to order ASI to carry out excavations in Ayodhya on Ram Janambhoomi spot, exploration in submerged city of Dwarka for Krishna and our lost heritage. Let's hope Supreme court can make the Govt do that instead of making unscien tific fictitious sworn claims. May God bless all.
