It has been believed by some historians and laymen that Mahabharat is just a fictitious fable emerged from the fantastic brain of the Sage Ved Vyas. It has been contended that such a 'war' could not have occured owing to the detailed description of various facets of the 'epic'. However, tradition as well as many Bharatiya scholars have all along maintained that Mahabharat did actually occur and is a complete reality.
Mahabharat is not just a story, but the detailed account of a event occured in the past. The few points are noted below that indicate a few differences in what is 'reality' and 'myth'.
It has been written in the epic from time to time that Mahabharat is a "itihas" which exclusively means "thus occured". The words "Puraan" and "Itihas" were specifically coined by the Arya people to catagorize the "ancient" and "recent" events. Both the words denote history that has occured at different times. It is mentioned in Aadiparva, Adhyaya 62 that the annals of the Bharat-Dynasty are recorded in the work. It has been clearly stated in the Aadiparva, Bheeshmaparva etc. that this is "itihas". If the intentions of the writer were to write a poem or a work of fiction, he would have stated it to be a "mahakavya" or "katha". It would to absurd to say that the Mahabharat is not a "itihas" due to its poetic nature. It was a custom in those days to write everything in poetic form. Ved Vyas had decided to write down the "itihas" even before the initiation of the Mahabh
RE:Mahabarat - A myth or a reality
by JSDara on Sep 14, 2007 09:46 PM Permalink
Ved Vyas had decided to write down the "itihas" even before the initiation of the Mahabharat War. Therefore during the course of the War, Vyas meticulously noted down all the possible details. If it were a work of fiction, why would a person like Vyas want to fill his work with such minute and unnecessary details ? A number of dynasties with their lond lineage of kings have been presented in the work. More than 50 kings from King Barhi to the Pandava King have been recorded. Additional information about the King, his wife, his scions, his relations, etc. have been accounted in great detail. If it were just fiction, only 4-5 kings would have sufficed to build the story on. Then why such mind-boggling details ? The dynasties recorded in the Ramayan and the Mahabharat concur without a difference. Even the relations between different kings and their dynasties in both the great "epics" match with each other. If both were mere "epics" written by two entirely different at two different times, why would everything match even upto minor details ? Mahabharat is of a later date than the Ramayan. Why would the author of the Mahabharat borrow the same ideas and characters as those of the author of Ramayan ? Usually, the story of any "Maha-Kaavya" circulates about one or two main characters. If this were the case with Mahabharat, who would then be considered the "hero" of the drama ? Many events mentioned in the Ramayan and Mahabharat are the same. Eg.: The mother of (latter) King Sa
RE:RE:Mahabarat - A myth or a reality
by JSDara on Sep 14, 2007 09:46 PM Permalink
The cities established by certain kings has been noted in detail. All the characters in the "epic" are well-portrayed. Even single facet of their character and important events in their life have been recorded. Are such detailed accounts important in a "Maha-kavya"? The weapons mentioned in the Ramayan and the Mahabharat are somewhat same. Infact, some weapons in the Ramayan are not mentioned in the latter "epic". (eg. Soorya'stra, Yamya'stra, Shoolva'stra..etc.) [ Considering the true occurance of the two great events, the above mentioned weapons might have disappreared in the era in-between the two events took place]. If it were a poetic fiction, such comprehensive account of the events on the battle-field would'nt have been given. For a poem, it is far-fetched. It will only serve the purpose of boring the reader to death! The description of such myriad of characters is astonishing. It is impossible for one single-mind to be the genesis of that number of personality-types. It could only be true if the Mahabharat is the recording of a real-life drama. The time and place of events have been accurately recorded. All such recordings are redudant for a "Maha-kavya". Not much poetic description of the flora-and-fauna is given. Such description in ornate language is only used in fictional works and not while recording history. Vyas mentions to have written this "itihas" after the death of King Dhrutarashtra. Why would he write so ? Did Shakespeare say that he wrote "Haml
RE:RE:RE:Mahabarat - A myth or a reality
by JSDara on Sep 14, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
Did Shakespeare say that he wrote "Hamlet" after the death of Hamlet himself ? The Greek historian Megasthenes has stated that Chandragupta Maurya was the 138 King in the lineage of Shri Krishna. This means that Shri Krishna did exist in the bygone era and that Mahabharat did really occur. It was a custom to keep a track of the Kings lineage. The Chinese traveller confirms the above. Manahbharat being a true account of a occured War, such lineages are seen to be recorded. Archaeological excations has discovered the submerged city of Dwaraka. This is the same Dwaraka as mentioned in the Mahabharat. [ The city of Dwaraka has been reckoned to have drowned in between 2000-3000 B.C.] The astronomical recordings in the Mahabharat "epic" and other scriptures (Bhagwat), given the correct positions of the planets and stars during that time. How could a work of fiction be proved using mathematical tools ?
RE:Mahabarat - A myth or a reality
by sunshine on Sep 14, 2007 11:30 PM Permalink
Great Sir.Its amazing that some one comes out with such a concrete proof. God bless you
RE:Mahabarat - A myth or a reality
by Subbu Dharma on Sep 14, 2007 10:16 PM Permalink
Well said Mr. JSDara... if we analyse the details, there are even more to mention. It was nice reading your article...
RE:GET YOUR BANANA PEEL REMOVED!!!
by India Fan on Sep 14, 2007 09:51 PM Permalink
That is called Jihadi infection, he rubbed his jihadi sliced dick with too much explosive and got infected.
RE:GET YOUR BANANA PEEL REMOVED!!!
by India Fan on Sep 14, 2007 09:58 PM Permalink
That's why we are happy as we don't follow the violent practices of Abrahamic religions. Don't worry, violent thoughts are now a part of your life for the scars born, you will end up like Adam Gadahn.
RE:RE:GET YOUR BANANA PEEL REMOVED!!!
by India Fan on Sep 14, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
Jihadis, have no age limits even a young kid/ or an old grandpa run with bombs attached to their sliced dicks for easier grip.
RE:GET YOUR BANANA PEEL REMOVED!!!
by India Fan on Sep 14, 2007 09:53 PM Permalink
Simple no permission required, they just take a small child and slice the dick and offer it as a sacrifice, the child grows up with painful memories and decides to do Jihad as an adult or start a war against terror and bomb like a maniac.
RE:GET YOUR BANANA PEEL REMOVED!!!
by India Fan on Sep 14, 2007 09:45 PM Permalink
A flop story of a Jihadi convert, who tie explosives to their balls and blow themselves.
Wisdom has dawned on the PM and the Super PM that election is only 1 1/2 years away and they can ill afford such a stand. Or may be they wanted to test the waters and see if all this will go down without much protest.
It is stated that there are alternate routes to this project and two of them are more cost effective than the present route. This structure, whether it is natural or man-made acted as breakwater during the tsunami of 2004. Plus this project will endanger the livelihood of the fisherfolk of the area. Why the Govt was hell bent on getting the project through at any cost inspite of all the above is a mystery. May be they wanted to please the aethists led by MK at all cost. Hope they receive a stinging slap on the face from the SC.
RE:Hindu Religious Groups should start a all out war against this Govt.
by cycube on Sep 14, 2007 09:42 PM Permalink
Hindoos have only themselves to blame.
In a country with 80% Hindoo population, the BJP party has not won even a simple majority once.
RE:Hindu Religious Groups should start a all out war against this Govt.
by afzal ahmed on Sep 14, 2007 10:20 PM Permalink
This project was started by the NDA govt. Just for yr info.
RE:GREAT EQUATION: WOMEN = MEN/2 ????
by kskumar on Sep 14, 2007 09:56 PM Permalink
Friend, let us not abuse another religion because Government is attacking ours. The saner response would be to remember this at the time of the next election and kick out the present dispensation.
Those who think otherwise, take a world map, study the location of Suez and panama canal - Then search in google about Shipping Industry.
Tuticorin will not become a Singapore because of Sethu project. Indian Shipping Industry is measly compared to global standards. Also, Sethu will not help to make anything big.
What Southern districts need is solid investment by companies like Nokia, Dell, Tatas etc in factories. DMK should stop giving all importance to Chennai alone and focus on creating jobs in South TN. The Pandi Naadu , which has 2000 years of heritage must not be left barren.
RE:SETHU PROJECT WILL NOT, WILL NOT MAKE SOUTHERN TN PROSPEROUS...
by MGR Fan on Sep 14, 2007 09:36 PM Permalink
What I meant is - (to explain more):
Sethu canal , even if built wont see any big traffic. Because, Shipping industry in India, in Eastern India is itself very small by world standards and most of it is directed towards Singapore.
If you want to import goods from Singapore, ships go to Chennai/Kolkatta and then taken by train to Mumbai etc.
If you want to import goods from Europe/Arabia, ships come to Mumbai and then the goods are transported to east India thru train.
So not much use of Sethu Canal in any situation. And other than India, no one would ever use it. The whole basis of Sethu canal making Tuticorin next singapore is day dreaming at its best. Tuticorin has been neglected by current ruling party to favour Chennai and that must be first changed.
RE:SETHU PROJECT WILL NOT, WILL NOT MAKE SOUTHERN TN PROSPEROUS...
by kskumar on Sep 14, 2007 09:46 PM Permalink
MGR Fan, yours is one of the sanest arguments I have come across in this forum. The way you have held out against the DMK sympathisers in this forum is also admirable. Good for you!
RE:SETHU PROJECT WILL NOT, WILL NOT MAKE SOUTHERN TN PROSPEROUS...
by MGR Fan on Sep 14, 2007 11:39 PM Permalink
Thank you... leaving aside the arguments against DMK, think logically... Sethu Canal cant make much difference or good, when district after district, south of Tiruchy is barren, without Industries...
Even Tamilians dont know what happens in our state. Ignorance rules. They see the new flyovers and think all of TN is doing great. Sad
She may be a Catholic Christian, a Non Indian and maybe she blindly follows Left on many issues. But still , Soniaji has shown that she does have some respect for Hinduism...
BJP Supporters - Please note . Dont try to make too much politics. Hinduism must not be confined to one party. Let us praise Sonia for her wise decision to withdraw the affidavit. Of course, all those including Swamy and others , who fought for the cause must be appreciated.
Well done Congress, Well done Soniaji. Please avoid any future mistakes and be careful with the COmmunists and Atheists
