Withdrawing affidavit is not enough. Court should now order arrest of chief of ASI and Union Home Minister as well as Transport Minister for blasphemy ,causing threat to peace of society, insulting holy book and damaging archaeological & heritage structure of India. The government should not act foolish by still continuing dredging as they won't remain in power next time to carry on this project. Put on a national portal all alternative plans of water channel,its requirements- for people of India to see and apporove,if at all.I think this scheme is 25 years old or so and there never was such proposal earlier. A small water channel of few kms can do the same job within the range of mainland up to Rameshwaram island extremity. The government is deliberately taking up mischievous project in sea to increase cost and to make money out of earth work which can't be measured and money can easily be made by ministers,engineers and contract companies.Rs 3000 crores can't be paid back with only 20 crores fuel saving a year.This is nonsensical project.Government should also publish data of last 10 years of ships passing through the zone for whom this is done and why should only GOI spend money and not shipping companies globally using the route?It is high time congress politicians stop acting like British lords instead of servants appointed by bus for a perio,d only.They have no business to attack religious structures and holy books and squander Rs 3000 crores just like that.
RE:I think court has no powers to arbitrate in religious matters & beliefs
by Sridhar Jajula on Sep 14, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
It was a scientific assessment by a scientific body. Please do not get hyper over religion. It was not meant to hurt the sentiments. I am a Hindu, but I was not hurt coz I know the context in which it was said, so get wise, shed the cobwebs of irrationality from your eyes.
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by Deepak MA on Sep 14, 2007 04:01 PM Permalink
Oh damn this lunatic comes back. This joker has been planting the same words again and again.
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by Prof R K Gupta-India on Sep 14, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
control your control T and stinking C you fool.IT seems you dont have good grooming.learn to respect teachers.And win with arguments and logic and not being nasty.Idiot
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by Thoopurani Giridhar on Sep 14, 2007 04:11 PM Permalink
People who think they are scientific should understand this: It says your forefathers are monkeys and donkeys and that is your history. While you may agree to that (because you forefathers are monkeys) I always believe that I am from a great lineage of Rishies. Understand that being scientific doesn't meen being blind and stupid. I want to know what you understood. I am a scientist and I know better than what you understand. Give them few pennies and power and those beggers would change their version
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by amit jani on Sep 14, 2007 04:05 PM Permalink
Hindu Religion is insulted by others because of peoples like you only.
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 14, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
Prof Gupta - don't get carried away. have you heard of the domestic violence act and anti-dowry act passed by congress in the past.
1) If you doubt your wife's fidelity - even your neighbors can put a case against you for verbal abuse and you will be in judicial custody. 2) If you try to burn your wife or she on her own tries to burn herself - you will be booked under dowry act and for abetment of suicide. You and your parents and brothers as well. Bail is not to be granted in such cases. 3) If you ask your wife to leave the house... she can knock the door of the nearest police station , arrest you and your parents and restore the house to your wife. Similar is the case if you are father-in-law and indulge in such treatment of your daughter in law. 15 days of judicial custody without bail and 50% of all property will be restored to your wife/Daughter In law.
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by Deepak MA on Sep 14, 2007 04:02 PM Permalink
What is it that you are trying to tell?
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 14, 2007 04:11 PM Permalink
Helping Prof Gupta with the law. Reading a few books must have a caption like they have on tv "PLEASE DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME"
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by Prof R K Gupta-India on Sep 14, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
If it were a middle east country the three min istres involved would have been blown to pieces.They are taking hindus for granted for votes and insulting hindusim to woo minirities who are too smart to be fooled.These jokers in opolitcis are not corrupt but are doing permement damage to country by caste divide and now pranks like making water channle for who i dont kjnow.This damn channel can be made at several places any engineer in Tamil Nadu will tell. Both filing of insulting affidavit and damaging natureal structure which is almost a wonder are sins.Withdrawing it wont do any good.They have told they are going ahead wioth dredging.These polticians think they own this country whereas we have just appointed them to do as what public wants.This issue is related to hindu a majority community of India.They cant spend thousands of crores in water.Government must put before poublic all facts,alternatives,economic beenfits and wegh these against religious sentiments.If instead of using this foolish trick, they had requested people to allow construction for economic benefits, the tolerant Hindus would have agreed most probably.But they try to act oversmart and lord us.IT is time for congress to wind up.BJP will meet same fate if they also dare to pull dirty tricks. I hope some guys who wanted what I wanted to tell are now clear about that. Jai Shri ram
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 14, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
This is not a middle eastern country. Their religion might be finished soon but Hindu thoughts and culture will always survive as long as we have an open mind to question and not behave like them. The Hindu right wing is a mirror image of Taliban - the more you hate your enemy the more you become like them.
RE:I think court has no powers to arbitrate in religious matters & beliefs
by mb on Sep 14, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
Why else do you think they would kill to get into parliament? There's huge money to be made in such contracts and ministers get the biggest piece of the pie.
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by ramakrishnan balasubramanian on Sep 14, 2007 04:09 PM Permalink
Well said Prof Gupta. I don't know whether the people in the Central and the concerned State Government can understand what you have said. The moral values in public life in the country and in Tamil Nadu started going down with Congress and DMK at the helm respectively and with this combination at the Centre, what else can one expect. Prof Gupta, people like you should lead the movement apolitical and all the right thinking people should come together and stop this once for all. There can be certainly better options than this as you have rightly pointed out and we hope that wisdom will prevail with people at Centre and State to ensure that feeling of the people are not hurt any further.
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by pradeep agarwal on Sep 14, 2007 04:03 PM Permalink
You seems to be blinded by your urge to prove your scientific knowledge. It however seems that there is very little common sense in your approach while submitting argument for a cause where this adharmy government has also surrendered by completely withdrawing affidavit that can best be described as the biggest sin committed post independence on the psyche of majority community.
1)No proof its man made or naturally formed, 2)If Man made no proof Ram and troops have bulit it 3)Its could be Tamil Kings would went war against Srilanks or Its have be done for trade.(Trade and war with Srilanka have evidence) 4)BJP started the project and gave go ahead plan. 5)The Bridge was named as Adams Bridge by Nasa, Sethu Bridge by India, Later Ramsethu bridge now it Ram Bridge. Its a political turn around. 6)Benefit out the project(Revenue for Tamilnadu, cheaper and easier trade for whole of south India, National developement) 7)If BJP comes back to power will carry on the project - Yes(They will and secretly they will blow up part of the bridge) 8)If we want to preserve RAM used things. We have preserve right from Ayodya to Sethu bridge. 9)We need to come out of sentiment and false belief thats the main blockade for our nations development. 10)For abusers: Dont abuse Muslims or christians, If we dont like Muslims will we stop using pertrol or if we dont like Christians are we stop working in UK/USA based call centres. Without one and another is difficult to live in world.
RE:ONLY FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN THINK wise!
by softouch on Sep 14, 2007 03:56 PM Permalink
do you have proof that the person you call father is really your father?
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by Deepak MA on Sep 14, 2007 03:57 PM Permalink
Mind you USA is not a Christian country!! Please brush up your knowledge and your outlook.
US and UK is not doing a favor by transferring jobs you illogical fool. Its just an economic transaction, which benefits them as well.
Oil does not come free of cost. We pay a huge price for the oil... essentially we BUY it.
RE:ONLY FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN THINK wise!
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 14, 2007 04:01 PM Permalink
Its a matter of faith. Your logic or evidence will not work.
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by Swami Aravind on Sep 14, 2007 03:55 PM Permalink
You are right. For that matter, nobody in the world can live without other communities support. For example, Osama terrorist is so against the US, but he uses all their technology like mobile phone, vehicle, machine gun etc: So all these guys are carrying a double standard.
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by Babu Muralidharan on Sep 14, 2007 03:54 PM Permalink
utter rubbish...ram is not belief, but historical fact. it is not only faith, but in my blood and veins. nobody is against the sethusamudram project, but think of alternative routes, before dredge on the bridge. bjp sanctioned it but with alternate route, by not disturbing the existing formation.
let the formation be not built by ram's army and let this be a natural formation, even then, why you want to disturb the heritage formation. think of alternatives.
don't threaten that muslim countries will not give oil, uk and usa will not give jobs, etc. now it is the turn of us...those countries require us more than we require them...we are 1.1billion strong... think over it.
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by ramakrishnan balasubramanian on Sep 14, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
Wonderful Balakumaran .. I appreciate your efforts to justify the action of the Project as well as the Affidavit.It needs a lot of efforts to justify an unjustified action and you have tried to succeed. But in the bargain you forget certain things .. for the commercial benefit you cannot destroy culture, tradition, beliefs and faith. Whether you like it or it, whether this Manmohan Singh Government or that man Karunanidhi's Government like it nor, the people of india carry on their lives with prayers in their lips for Ram and affection for him in their heart. I myself is not a religious fanatic but I have the courtesy of not hurting others feelings.
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by unni on Sep 14, 2007 03:58 PM Permalink
Question is ,Mr.Balakumaran ,Respect.You can't take Hindus of India granted for anything.You might have seen the uproar when there was a cartoon on Prophet Mohd.Does anyone question whether Jesus was born out of a virgin?SO stop being too much progressive thinking for heaven's sake.If the govt.is spending Rs3000Cr. for the benifit of revenue,let them first develop the infrastructure within the land - godd roads,fly overs etc.By the way,none of the Muslim nations give you oil for free.They give us because we pay them money.COming back to working in call-centres,don't be under the impression that they are coming here for improving our economy.You are a fool if you believe so...
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by Prof R K Gupta-India on Sep 14, 2007 03:57 PM Permalink
please dont put woirds in our mouth.No one has talked about muslims.They have not recommended this.They have nothing to do with all this episode.Yes Sonia is christian and from Italy.There is nothing wrong in it per se.She should be careful not to hurt Hindu majority sentiments.This project is badly conceived and avoidable at present location we have several laternatives. Instead develop it as powerful tourism spot and exploit Ramayana episode for seeling it.To hell with the ships.they can squeeze through a channel that can be cut at many other places.Forstly do we really need this channel?If BJP started it, they will meet same fate as of congress.Politicians in india should start behaving nopw and take peoipole in confidence.It is not their papa's money they spend.The politicians and babus in India think they are still represnting queen of england fater 60 years and can do anything .The rapport with public is so poor as if we are dirt.They shouldm learn lost mannners and humility.Congress,BJP or AIDMK or whatever.Stop project immediately and put it before nation for debate and scrutiny.The structure is very important to hold tides and tsunamis and it is religious too.
RE:Do hindus have self respect?
by kapil on Sep 14, 2007 03:45 PM Permalink
that is the difference between Hindu and Musilm/Christians..... They think only their own intersts but we are not....
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by Anuj Singhal on Sep 14, 2007 03:47 PM Permalink
Mr Britto has made such a good point. While I am against raking communal feeling...But to say there is no historical evidence of Lord Rama is taking Hidus for granted...Hindus, we need to wake up
RE:Do hindus have self respect?
by Abdullah Saikh on Sep 14, 2007 03:49 PM Permalink
Because they know it's only belife ,there is no Ram or Krishna or Mahadev!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:Do hindus have self respect?
by Only Dude on Sep 14, 2007 03:57 PM Permalink
And there is no Allah too - On up on a time there was a h-i-j-d-a in the Gulf who got jumbled and became j-i-h-a-d :))
I can be as stgupid as you man .. Hilneewala Abdullah ... Shake it Shake it .. Milkshake Abdullah :))
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by adfasd asdasd on Sep 14, 2007 03:51 PM Permalink
I agree 100% that there should be no doubt about Lord Ram. In fact there was no need to get his existence involved in this issue....The government should apologise.
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by Mukesh Kapoor on Sep 14, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
Shame on us that in a so called Hindu Country a govt files a affidavit in the court that Lord Ram does not exist. It is really direct attack on Hindu religion. If we consider ouerselves to be 70% of the total population then think on those time when we remains in minority only.God knows what will happen then.
RE:Do hindus have self respect?
by on Sep 14, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
there will never be a minority in a muslim nation,they will be hounded,tortured,killed,converted,etc,but will never be allowed to practice hindu religion honourably,its a damn fact
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 14, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
All of them are manifestation of the same God. Shut up Abdullah and get out of this forum. This is an internal Hindu matter.
RE:Do hindus have self respect?
by softouch on Sep 14, 2007 04:03 PM Permalink
The answer is simple. Hindus are more civilised in their response.
Example: When a bomb went off in a mosque in Hyderabad some months ago - killing some Muslims,there was an immediate riot followed by Police firing. Two bombs went off in Hyderabad a few months later killing mostly Hindus - NO RIOTS !
RE:Do hindus have self respect?
by Desikan kalathur on Sep 14, 2007 04:11 PM Permalink
Hate off to your comment.Yes, can the Indian govt. dare say that Alla is a myth? It is bacause hindus are metured and do not like to get into cheap publicity-oriented issues.Above all, the hindu religion and culture attaches utmost importance to peace and tolerence.This is repeatedly proved, when several islamic terror attacks made on Amarnath yatris, Swaminarayan temple and such hindu other hindu religious places, killing several hundred people,hindus never even thought of retaliating. It is bacause the religion preaches peace & tolerance.Let no one try to mistake these good qualities as weekness.
RE:BJP - Budda Jaaaarina Party
by Imran on Sep 14, 2007 03:42 PM Permalink
Well said man, all parties are the same they want power.So lets vote a party who will do some development work atleast rather than the BJP who does not have any good leaders.
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by Kapuil on Sep 14, 2007 03:41 PM Permalink
Man, if not BJP let led by you in protesting againist the anti national activities.
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by arun nair on Sep 14, 2007 03:46 PM Permalink
this s not about developement..nobody is opposed to developement..the point here is that who gave central gove the right to declare that ram never existed??.Can they demolish all the structures that comes as obstacles in the path to development..Do they have the courage to tell that jesus or prophet never existed?Do they have the courage to make the churches accountable to the govt of india.
Congress knows to play dirty polictics of reservation double standards soft hindutva and hard core communalisam.
when the left disagreed on nuke issue at first the PM challenged them to withdraw support later what happend we all knw..He became a cat licking his masters legs...
I am not saying that BJP is any better that Cong..but cong president and PM must apologise before tht nation.Hindutva is not a religion its a way of life.
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by Sridhar Jajula on Sep 14, 2007 03:52 PM Permalink
It was a scientific assessment by a scientific body. Please do not get hyper over religion. It was not meant to hurt the sentiments. I am a Hindu, but I was not hurt coz I know the context in which it was said, so get wise, shed the cobwebs of irrationality from your eyes.
Daring steps:-reservation for minorities. hurting hindus. all the govt aids will be given to minorities first. releasing all the terrorists. giving rations to illeagal bangladeshis. is this what u call taking india forward, shame on you
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by SSCD on Sep 14, 2007 03:55 PM Permalink
Which party's govt did the Pokhran nuclear test and put India on the map of Nuclear capable nations? and made the whole world recognize our nuclear status?
Who initiated the revamp of transport infrastructure by initiating big road-linking projects like golden quadrilateral etc?
Who took the bus to Lahore and tried to thaw Indo-Pak relationship?
Wasn't that a BJP government?
Of course, it's going to take some time to cleanup the mess of 40 years of Congressi misrule.
And worst of all, Congress is party to imposing Emergency rule over a democratic country, just to meet somebody's personal ambitions!!
No one needs to be told, who's forward thinking and who are otherwise!!
RE:BJP - Budda Jaaaarina Party
by Babu Muralidharan on Sep 14, 2007 03:44 PM Permalink
i will be better off, if an indian leads me, rather than a pope from vatican.
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by Mahesh on Sep 14, 2007 03:42 PM Permalink
What do you know about Sethu project? How much will it contribute to the economy? Is there an alternate way to accomplish the same project? Do you have facts and figures? Don't just blabber. You are ready to destroy anything in the name of development? There is no difference between doing that and taking money and converting to Christianity.
RE:BJP - Budda Jaaaarina Party
by ILovehindustan on Sep 14, 2007 03:42 PM Permalink
We have already decided first you decide love india or leave india.
Mrs Sonia gandhi, kitne hi Ghauri, Gaznavi,Aurangjeb aur Angrej aa kar chalegaye par PRABHU RAM YAHAN THE, YAHAN HAIN AUR JAB TAK YEH DHARTI RAHEGI YAHAN RAHENGE.
No.1: who is their true father; Even their mother wouldn't be able to tell. No.2: ask them who is the father of the nation and the response would be "Some Gandhi fellow, I think".
RE:BJP....the Biggest Loser
by Mahesh on Sep 14, 2007 03:43 PM Permalink
You are a loser. There is an alternate way to accomplish this project without damaging Ram Sethu.
RE:BJP....the Biggest Loser
by Mandeep Sharma on Sep 14, 2007 03:57 PM Permalink
I m 100% aggree with u. Once again BJP has shown they r only religious party not ploitical party. They only know how to use the name Of Lord RAM for their Dirty Politics.
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by subbu on Sep 14, 2007 03:47 PM Permalink
Congress is forward thinking party!Hahaaha.You mean the pary headed by Antonio Maino- the wife of former prime miniter is a forward thinking party?So rule by relation is forward thinking and democratic?Do you know the cost to be charged fro ships for using sethu samudrum will be more than the cost of travelling around sethu samudram?Do you know it will be benifitial only for Chennai,Tuticorin and Vishakapatnam and for the rest it does not make signifigant reduction in travel?Do you know even aftr this project big ships cannot sail through it?No body knows how much damage will be done to ecology by this idiotic project.It will be proved a disaster in the long run !Note hurting the name of Ram is not hurting BJP alone but the entire Hindu Community.Better get your self admitted in a lunatic asylum before writing nonsense here man!
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by Sree. on Sep 14, 2007 03:46 PM Permalink
Arre Sridhar,
You have become chamcha of Congress i think. Are you so blind that you can't see the developments made by BJP in the past when they were ruling and cant you see how congress is destroying the country. Congress is sick party which always aims for eating money but BJP had a vision. Congress people just try to do the things unprofessionally. You people will be happy if you get some backdoor money in this govt you never see the hapiness of overall devlopemnt of the country. You are sick..sick..sick..
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by Dev Dev on Sep 14, 2007 03:52 PM Permalink
Mr. Sridhar Jajula,
I am sure you understand that it is development that brings in people's faith. However, I am also sure that you don't understand the dynamics of polotics and people psychology. With all due respect.. I would like to clear out that though BJP came in power may be because of Ram kahani, but if you are aware of all the facts and figure. it has come up with more development projects than the current government. Not just Golden Quadrilateral(still going on because of delays due to power change at centre), but Nuclear tests, Privatization of PSUs(resulting in their better performance and lesser corruption over a period of time), Ambitious project of connecting all rivers(which went into balck hole as no other party supported it(moreover coming into power, the new party will nver do it, becoz though in requires lot of investments but over a time, it will save lot of villages from flood on one hand and Drying on the other hand_which Particians do not want). Please don't tell me that whatever, Industrial growth you saw last to last year and last year is becoz of Congree and alliance, it does not take a year to yield the results, but much more, and if you properly analyze you would economically find that it is work of BJP and alliance giving fruits to todays government and people. And my dear, if you remember, BJP tried advertising Development as their agenda and they lost, not because they didn't do any efforts, but my dear friend with all due respect... peo
