is being totally stupid and ridiculous...even if it is not possible for humans to exist 17 million years ago, i think it still matters that 1 billion people belive in it now!! for the sake to a country's values and emotions they have, govt can work ouit a another route to buiilt this project...i cannot see how it is so tough to do it?
RE:government
by Jai Tiwaree on Sep 13, 2007 11:38 AM Permalink
The student of the RAMAYAN should be primarily an historian. The centre and core of all the RAMAYAN is history. Everything else that the RAMAYAN contains is fitted into an historical framework and leads up to an historical climax. The RAMAYAN is primarily a record of events. That assertion will not pass unchallenged. The modern MAN is impatient of history. History, we are told, is a dead thing. Let us forget the Amalekites, and fight the enemies that are at our doors. The true essence of the RAMAYAN is to be found in eternal ideas; history is merely the form in which those ideas are expressed. It makes no difference whether the history is real or fictitious; in either case, the ideas are the same. It makes no difference whether Abraham was an historical personage or a myth; in either case his life is an inspiring example of faith. It makes no difference whether Moses was really a mediator between God and Israel; in any case the record of Sinai embodies the idea of a covenant between God and His people. It makes no difference whether Lakshan really lived and died and rose again as He is declared to have done in the Ramayan; in any case the Gospel picture, be it ideal or be it history, is an encouragement to filial piety. In this way, religion has been made independent, as is thought, of the uncertainties of historical research. The separation of Hinduism from history has been a great concern of modern theology. It has been an inspiring attempt. But it has been a failure. Giv
RE:RE:government
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 13, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
Very true - formlessness provides enduring value. It gets challenged when someone tries to provide a form to is as a reaction to contemporary events. In India - the greatest source of insecurity is the "M-factor" which clouds our judgment on how we tackle such issues and the immediate reaction is to create a mirror image of the problem "M-factor" which one is trying to tackle. This alas destroys the essence baring open the fissures that already exist in the fragmented Hindu society.
RE:government
by Seshadri on Sep 13, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
read the upanishads... one cannot concentrate on the abstract... formlessness is only a residual clause used to covert the ignorants as you cannot question it...!
RE:government
by SSCD on Sep 13, 2007 11:58 AM Permalink
Like everyone has a different choice of clothes, every one has different preference to the forms of worships. Including so-called educated/intellectual, people want to worship the god in some or the other form. You can't enforce one on all.
Hinduism accepts this and gives freedom, saying all those paths lead to the same destination. Like any mechanical machinery, the social setup/system needs to be upgraded/maintained. So if there are fissures, they need to be taken care of. But there are some ideals that cut across all these fissures, Ram is one of them. Govt has no right to play around with sentiments of it's majority, in fact, in this case it hasn't done *any* good to the govt.
RE:government
by Shambhu Mehta on Sep 13, 2007 12:43 PM Permalink
Hinduism did not give freedom to untoucchable before '47. It is true even today in rural area of the country.
RE:government
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 13, 2007 11:36 AM Permalink
The government will follow science and evidence as it exists. In your personal life - you free to follow whatever religion you want to. India can't be governed by sentiments of people ( 40% can't read and right , another 40% have not studied beyond 5th Standard and another 10% have not studied beyond 10th standard ). The main worry for people is their daily bread and ho to survive - and here we are trying to impose a mainly North Indian upper caste agenda on people .
RE:government
by sridhar gorantla on Sep 13, 2007 11:51 AM Permalink
Your modern science cannot explain everything. its still evolving and cannot be trusted for everything.
RE:government
by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 13, 2007 12:15 PM Permalink
Its not "my modern science" . There is a lot still to be discovered , proved and disproved else scientists will be out of job. So what is your point ? Ancient people did not understand natural phenomena and hence gave it supernatural powers and attached a god to each one of them. Even today the invention of new gods is happening - like in Nepal last week these jokers killed two goats on Kathmandu runway to place some obscure god responsible for air safety. The plane took off and landed safely thanks to the sacrifice.
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by thokka on Sep 13, 2007 11:55 AM Permalink
But mister Anurag. They are Indians and it is they who need it not ppl like You. WHo doesnot even know where the ration shop of your area is...
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by Anurag Shrivastava on Sep 13, 2007 12:17 PM Permalink
Yes they need it - and disturbing the government and making it do silly things takes the attention away from problems of the real Indians. I don't know where the ration shop is - and btw even the poor do not care about ration shops.
RE:government
by SSCD on Sep 13, 2007 11:44 AM Permalink
How myopic vision, you've been blessed with (in fact a bunch of pseudo-seculars like you, with self-denigrating attitude):
This very govt went overboard and condemned the Danish cartoonist, wrote to the Danish govt saying sentiments of people shouldn't be hurt.
RE:I dont blame the government.Hindus deserve it.
by Shaka Zulu on Sep 13, 2007 12:14 PM Permalink
if you think ram doesn't exist then in that case even allaha doesn't exist.........
RE:I dont blame the government.Hindus deserve it.
by Gladiator on Sep 13, 2007 11:29 AM Permalink
Dear SID, Why are you Creating an Imaginary Enemy, we understand your sentiment, and No Muslim is against RAM, then why are you Yelling and bringing Muslims into Picture ?? Cool Down Yaar, we are not your Enemies, the Politicians Manipulate the World for their Selfishness...
RE:I dont blame the government.Hindus deserve it.
by prakash on Sep 13, 2007 11:39 AM Permalink
dear gladiator..go and look from the first page, some mohammedans doin DAWAH , abusing hindu dharma, various forms of GOD...i replied to many
RE:I dont blame the government.Hindus deserve it.
by rashmi sahu on Sep 13, 2007 11:46 AM Permalink
Dont abuse any GOds Jesus or islam.These matter for we santan dharmis.The religion no body has made it and no body can destroy it.Read and search for truth youself. I have learnt a lot about jesus on my independent research, when i meditate or think of him i do get his picture in mind, but what is being taught on the name of jesus by missionaries is wrong. I have read about islam too.I believe in eternal principals of vedas and yogas.My Guru is a living yogi, mantradrishta, samadhist.I am practicing yoga for 7 seven years.I can give history of 5000 yrs post mahabharat war as recorded by our ancestors, lineage of ram i have given.The manuscripts of all the books written by Manu (Manusmiriti),Yagyawallak(Yagyawallak smiriti), Patanjali(Patanjali sutras), Mahabharat by Ved vyas, Rishi parashar father of ved vyas(Parashar smiriti),Rishi Sukhdev son of ved vyas, Ramayan by valmiki etc is existing.How many proofs you require, if you have closed your mind and eyes no body can do anything. Accute astronomical details are described in ramayana and mahabharat.In the light of scientific researches people it can be proven.The remains of submerged dwarka are found, for your knowledge all people associated were catholics in this project. You yourself search the truth and read more about world at www.archaeologyonline.net rest is up to you.
RE:I dont blame the government.Hindus deserve it.
by Seshadri on Sep 13, 2007 12:30 PM Permalink
thanks once more... this site is really enlightening...
RE:I dont blame the government.Hindus deserve it.
by rashmi sahu on Sep 13, 2007 12:50 PM Permalink
please read this too www.atributetohindism.com to further know truths
UPA government's action to distroy Ramsetu is reminiscent of the Taliban's 2001 destruction of the giant Buddhas at Bamiyan in Afghanistan. UPA is India's Taliban. It's the faith of crores of Hindus that UPA govt is distroying. Please refer the article appreared on Times Of India website - 'Lord Ram was born in 5114 BC' 8Nov2003, 0212 hrs IST,Sunit Bezbaroowa & Arvind Joshi,TNN. "Ram was and is for real. He was born on January 10, 5114 BC," Saroj Bala, IRS, Commisioner of Income Tax says, calmly, with the assurance of one who has tangible facts.
Learned people of India will unite to stop UPA govt from distroying Ramsetu.
RE:SAVE RAMSETU
by Jai Tiwaree on Sep 13, 2007 11:40 AM Permalink
The student of the RAMAYAN should be primarily an historian. The centre and core of all the RAMAYAN is history. Everything else that the RAMAYAN contains is fitted into an historical framework and leads up to an historical climax. The RAMAYAN is primarily a record of events.That assertion will not pass unchallenged. The modern MAN is impatient of history. History, we are told, is a dead thing. Let us forget the Amalekites, and fight the enemies that are at our doors. The true essence of the RAMAYAN is to be found in eternal ideas; history is merely the form in which those ideas are expressed. It makes no difference whether the history is real or fictitious; in either case, the ideas are the same. It makes no difference whether Abraham was an historical personage or a myth; in either case his life is an inspiring example of faith. It makes no difference whether Moses was really a mediator between God and Israel; in any case the record of Sinai embodies the idea of a covenant between God and His people. It makes no difference whether Lakshan really lived and died and rose again as He is declared to have done in the Ramayan; in any case the Gospel picture, be it ideal or be it history, is an encouragement to filial piety. In this way, religion has been made independent, as is thought, of the uncertainties of historical research. The separation of Hinduism from history has been a great concern of modern theology. It has been an inspiring attempt. But it has been a failure.Give up
RE:SAVE RAMSETU
by Gladiator on Sep 13, 2007 11:32 AM Permalink
India's Taliban is Congress & Nikarwalas, Babri Masjid Demolition is no different than the Demolition of Bamiyan Statue in Afghan.... And you are so biased that you will justify the Nikarwalas..
for hindus its a matter of shame that indian govt. given affidavit just to impress sonia gandhi which is a mole implanted by european christian to completely destroy the hinduism .there are plenty of evidence for that she is true christian making fool to indians .she eats beef and pork which no hindus eat.she use to meet so many christian leaders whether she is in india or abroad.she remains in contact with us president & other european heads to take a support thats why she want to push u.s on indian.so that it will be easy for christian to do their job india. all other politicians just to have in power making fool of thier forefathers.so my humble request to every hindus who believes in hinduism should boycott congress at every step so that should not remain in power or come to power again.do you believe that so many hindus who went to north america or europe are now christian to get finacial health.even in canada there are two types of school one for exclusively for christian & others are public schools, in christian schools they hire only christian teachers. so why so much of hue & cry in india if rss runs some schools for true hindus. be careful of sonia gandhi she is a italian she wil remain a italian she can't be an indian.she helped her family friend bofors dalal mr. quattrocihi.so there is time for hindus to come out of thier shell to save hinduism like muslims or christians are doing.
If Rama was PM of present India, he would have definitely cleared Ram Sethu for easy movement of ships or extracted the Thorium deposits for welfare of his kingdom/country.
Don't you think Ram was selfish. Just to recover his wife, he had used all the vanars in building the bridge, without even forethought of the damage to the sea creatures he would have caused in building the bridge.
Lets think religions apart. Lets accept we have no proof of 5 or 6 generations earlier to us. Why the present generation don't have time to look up their own parents. In that situation we are speaking of all rotten religions like Hindu, Christian, Muslim etc, which have absolutely no proof. Just blindly followed for ages.
Please use your respective gods to bring peace to the people.
RE:so what
by SSCD on Sep 13, 2007 11:25 AM Permalink
Economic non-viability of the project: There are already expert studies which have concluded economic non-viability of the SSCP project. It's not a land-based channel but an all sea passage. It's going to be only 300m wide. This means the passage will need frequent clearing of sand. It also means ships more than 30000 Tons can't avail the passage, effectively ruling out big cargo/container ships. The ships taking the passage will have to avail 'pilot-ships' facility. The ships will have to sail slow and may save only 1.5 Hrs of travel time. Effectively, these overheads will offset the fuel savings.
The cottage industries in the nearby coastal region are likely to be adversely impacted. The fishermen are likely to run into severe restrictions if the SSCP channel paves way for international passage.
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You don't need the SSCP to extract Thorium. You need it to smuggle out Thorium from India.
as for your bullshiting in rest of your message, i don't want to waste my energies!!
Sometime they explode bombs so Hindus and Muslims can fight. Similarly they infiltrated on Indian Website posing as Muslims and commenting absurd about Hinduism. Be aware of these people named "beessmilla" and "Gladtier".
RE:Be aware!
by beessmilla on Sep 13, 2007 11:56 AM Permalink
what is that absurd things written. i told allah is the only god islam is the only religion prophet mohd is the last messenger of god. since islam is the right religion i invited all other religions to islam.
Indians are famous for not writing and preserving their own history. Most of the accounts of ancient India come from foreign travellers and invaders. There are only two known exceptions: Ramayan and Mahabharat. Our government now claims that there is no proof of Ram. Well, Ram's 52nd descendant fought on the side of Kauravs in Mahabharat. Mahabharat was fought around 2550 BC i.e. 4557 years ago. Add about 1200 years for the 52 descendants and Ramayan happened around 5750 years ago. No monuments or writing can stand the harsh weather of our country for that long; only oral poetry can be transmitted down the generations. Show me any other civilization which has stood that long let alone preserved its history. Historians used to laugh at Illiad's epic of Troy till they found the city exactly where the poem told them. Our History departments are riddled with anti-Hindus and they will refuse to even look at legitimate evidence. Why are Hindu leaders silent about this?
RE:How do you prove history in India?
by rashmi sahu on Sep 13, 2007 11:55 AM Permalink
You are wrong indians are the first one to write history.You seem to be ignorant of all this go and books written by europeans on india visit these sites for insight and knowledge www.archaeologyonline.net and www.atributetohinduism.com Ramayana and mahabharat are itihas .Go read the book by a historian ONCE INDIA RULED AMERICA. we all are fighting amongst us all only.You know as per vedas all of us have come from present Tibbet or old trivishtup.? Long time back there was a article on this in readers digest that originally there were seven ladies from tibbet.You Gotra system of hindus.People with gotra of Bhardwaj belong to lineage of bhardway, similarly kashyap, etc. In those times people migrated to different places but to keep the identity they maintained Gotras.
read read and enlighten yourself. stop abusing each other.Dont read british history taught in indian schools ththat is good for passing only ,the aim of britishers was to rule and abuse indians
RE:RE:How do you prove history in India?
by rashmi sahu on Sep 13, 2007 11:55 AM Permalink
Lord McCauley in his speech of Feb 2, 1835, British Parliament "I have travelled across the length and breadth of India and I have not seen one person who is a beggar, who is a thief. Such wealth I have seen in this country, such high moral values, people of such calibre, that I do not think we would ever conquer this country, unless we break the very backbone of this nation, which is her spiritual and cultural heritage, and, therefore, I propose that we replace her old and ancient education system, her culture, for if the Indians think that all that is foreign and English is good and greater than their own, they will lose their self-esteem, their native self-culture and they will become what we want them, a truly dominated nation".
Nothwithstanding the agony faced by the followers of the vedic culture, there is a half crazed loony called beessmilla who is boasting about allah and mohammad... looking at his comments have left me in a fit of laughter...
seems that there are no sane persons left out of the islamic community...
RE:am tickled to death by beessmilla's comments...
by Sunil Agrawal on Sep 13, 2007 11:25 AM Permalink
He may be LeT operative, whose assignment to encourage Indians to fight themselves.
RE:RE:am tickled to death by beessmilla's comments...
by hubliwesterncarrier on Sep 13, 2007 11:41 AM Permalink
well well hold it. I dont know what bismilla said . plsssssssssss spare us , stick to topic mr. sane.
RE:am tickled to death by beessmilla's comments...
by Seshadri on Sep 13, 2007 11:55 AM Permalink
if you think that my post is not relevant... spare the read...
as for topic.. think you are one of the "sudden jumpers" who bursts in and makes a grand statement concerning nobody...
RE:am tickled to death by beessmilla's comments...
by Ajay Mathew on Sep 13, 2007 11:44 AM Permalink
Beessmilla is not worth talking about. What really made me laugh is your last statement. "there are no sane persons left out of the islamic community" this means sane people are in islamic community and the insane ones are outside off it. Looks like you shot yourself in the foot.
RE:RE:am tickled to death by beessmilla's comments...
by Seshadri on Sep 13, 2007 11:49 AM Permalink
well... i really think you have to brush up on your understanding of the english language...
RE:am tickled to death by beessmilla's comments...
by beessmilla on Sep 13, 2007 01:22 PM Permalink
prophet has born on this earth to make insane persons into sane persons. he told 1400 hundred years back that all other religions are only fiction characters. islam is the religion of god. i am only inviting you people to the religion of god and facts come on dear brothers join islam for doing good why fear
RE:am tickled to death by beessmilla's comments...
by Seshadri on Sep 13, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
well... i really think you have to brush up on your understanding of the english language...
RE:am tickled to death by beessmilla's comments...
by Ajay Mathew on Sep 13, 2007 12:41 PM Permalink
wow, now you have gone and shot your other foot. what you intended to say was "seems that there are no sane persons left in the islamic community." Please try to learn from your mistakes. Don't get offended and prove you are a spoilsport.
