With the above statements, I request you to ask ASI to withdraw this statement from SC. The ASI may submit the affidavit that it has not found any agrological evidence to prove that the so-called Bridge is man made. Off course it has to provide completed method it has followed to prove it. But to prove it, the ASI need not has to say that There is no proof of existence of Lord RAMA. Because we knows ASI can not find any proof of this as Lord RAMA is GOD.
RE:Kindly Attention Mr. Manmoahn Singh, PM, GOI
by imran patel on Sep 12, 2007 08:14 PM Permalink
Existence of ALLAH is a belief. But based on that belief a MUSLIM should NOT and CANNOT claim rights on a property. He/she should own that property LEGALLY.
You may dis-agree with the existence of ALLAH. That is ur faith.
But Muslims are not claiming any Land/Property/Right based on their belief in ALLAH.
See the difference.
Sonia gandhi is not claiming anyone elses property based on her Belief !!!
I would also like to point out the Religious outcome of ASI affidavit.
1. The Ramanya and all its characters are Mythical and its simply doesn%u2019t happened at all.
2. The description of Ramanya given in Mahabarta (said to be about 5,000 years ago from our time) are false, so The Mahabarta is also false.
3. If the Mahabarta is False then description given in Guru-Grunth-Sahib is also false, so the Guru-Grunth-Sahib is also false, and its means Guru Nanak Sahib was liar.
4. Ultimately Mr. Manmohan Sing, as you are follower of Sikh Panth, you have following a Liar. So your identity goes.
I would also like to point out the scientific outcome of ASI affidavit.
1. The ASI it self has found traces of ancient City of Dwarika under the water, near the cost of Gujrat. So if Mahabarat is false, so the Krishna is also a Myth. So how come we found the Dwarika under the water? Who built that city? What is the History behind it? Is that city is Alaxandriya (Built by Romans)? ASI may prove it true.
I would also like to point out the Historical outcome of ASI affidavit.
1. As Ramanya, Mahabartha and all other Religious %u2013Historical Texts are proven false, the Hindus loose their identity and the Very existence of this country is put under question. The ASI tomorrow may have to prove that there was no Land called %u201CBharat%u201D before 1947.
2. Tomorrow ASI affidavit may say that %u201CBharat%u201D was part of Italy. Will we have to believe that too.
RE:Kindly Attention Mr. Manmoahn Singh, PM, GOI
by Chola King on Sep 12, 2007 08:16 PM Permalink
http://ramsethu.org/sendletters.html
http://ramsethu.org/index.html
At present ships between the east coast and the west coast of India have to circumnavigate around Sri Lanka. The Sethusamudram Ship Channel Project [SSCP] aims at creating a shipping channel between the Gulf of Mannar and the Palk Bay by dredging about 83-kilometre-(44.9 nautical miles) long, 300-metre-wide at the base, and 12-metre-deep channel.
The Rs 2400 crore project was sanctioned by the UPA government on May 19, 2005; and, was inaugurated in indecent haste by Dr Manmohan Singh, Prime Minister, on July 2, 2005 at Madurai. Basic advantage of this project will be reduction in travel distance of more than 350 nautical miles (650 km) for ships plying between the east and the west coast. Strategic advantage will be that Indian ships will travel within the Indian waters but strategic disadvantage will be that the Palk Bay and the Gulf of Mannar, which at present are open only to India and Sri Lanka, will become open for all countries.
Further, larger ships like Very Large Crude Containers (VLCCs) will not be able to use this channel, and other ships in view of higher pilotage, tug and towing charges by SSCL may prefer to circumnavigate Sri Lanka as before. It is estimated that about 84.5 million cubic metres (mcm) of sand and silts will be dredged under sea from the project area%u2014 about 32.5 mcm sand will be dredged in the Ram Sethu area and 52 mcm in the Palk Bay area. Para 6.1 of the Environme
RE:Kindly Attention Mr. Manmoahn Singh, PM, GOI
by Chola King on Sep 12, 2007 08:29 PM Permalink
Experts are opposed to this project also.
http://ramsethu.org/expert1.html
Justice V.R. Krishna Iyer appeals for protection of Ram Setu:
Statement issued by Shri. V.R.Krishna Iyer former Supreme Court Judge on 14 August 2007
According to Mr.Cardoze, famous U.S legal luminary, ''Means un lawful in their inception do not become lawful by relation when suspicion turns in to discovery.''
These words come to me when I talk of the Sethusamudaram Canel Project. The callousness with which such a big project is conceptualized and implemented is an unpardonable act.
First of all I would like to state that neither I nor any patriotic citizen could support this project. It is a serious fault that neither scientists, technocrats nor Indian Navy had been consulted and sought their opinions before this project was conceptualized. More over the project is an open challenge to age old Hindu beliefs.
At least the opinion that the implementation of this project as envisaged now may lead to oceanic eruptions like Tsunami should be considered and studied.
According Shri Kalyanaraman, the reputed researcher, this project would invite disasters like Tsunami to our southern coast and pose as a threat to the valuable mineral sand deposits along this coast.
Unlike in the case of Suez Canal, this canal penetrates deep in to the seabed. All this testifies that the construction of the canal is unwarranted.
I suspect that the haste with which he project is proposed to be com
Ref:- No evidence to prove existence of Ram, Centre to SC "http://in.rediff.com/news/2007/sep/12ram.htm"
Dear Sir,
With reference to above, I would like to submit my protest against this non-believable, Highly Objectionable affidavit filled by your Government through agencies under your control.
The above said affidavit state that %u201CThere are no historical records to incontrovertibly prove the existence of Lord Rama or occurrence of event, depicted in some of the literature.
I would like to point out some limitations of scientific methods followed by ASI
1. There is no scientific method at present available, which can prove or disprove the existence of GOD, we call Lord RAMA as GOD, so it is true that ASI can not prove of disprove the very existence of GOD.
2. The period of events of Ramayana is said to be about 17,00,000 years ago from our current time, and it is known that the Indian Sub-continent had Human foot-print even before that, and also as its is scientifically proved that, the Indian Sub-continent has seen high Human activities in the above said period. So how one will find the existence of one King after 17,00,000 years? Is ASI was looking for his cloths, Utensils and other daily used things? If yes, off course you will not find none, as it can not be preserved even by mother nature itself.
I would also like to point out the Religious outcome of ASI affidavit.
RE:RAJA RAM : A CASE OF MISTAKEN IDENTITY
by r patil on Sep 12, 2007 08:19 PM Permalink
Lets say Ram was not God ,but how many examples you get in history a king like Ram.It is not the question whether lord Ram was born or not wheter he is God on not,the main thing the GOvt should not forget that a billions plus hindus world wide beleive the bridge was built by Sri RAm hence sacred .Therefore government must respect the sentiments of the people(the faith which is thousands of years old)
Look at the isrealy jews even though they have being bad mouthed in New testament and by Islam still they protect the caves of jesus (infact they are many such caves belived to be the last resting place of jesus)and the mosque on the temple mound(beleived to be the place where Mod
Dear muslims bro.....think logically and reasonably. what has islam given u, month long fasting and dozen of babies. all ur life u keep on creeping . Come back to hinduism fold and enjoy the freedom. This holds true to all the chritian converts too.
RE:Advice to all muslims in this forum.......
by imran patel on Sep 12, 2007 08:08 PM Permalink
Ashish,
It is better than worshipping a stone...
Existence of ALLAH is a belief. But based on that belief a MUSLIM should NOT and CANNOT claim rights on a property. He/she should own that property LEGALLY.
You may dis-agree with the existence of ALLAH. That is ur faith.
But Muslims are not claiming any Land/Property/Right based on their belief in ALLAH.
See the difference.
Sonia gandhi is not claiming anyone elses property based on her Belief !!!
RE:Islam - a barbaric belief system. It is not a religion
by imran patel on Sep 12, 2007 08:08 PM Permalink
Existence of ALLAH is a belief. But based on that belief a MUSLIM should NOT and CANNOT claim rights on a property. He/she should own that property LEGALLY.
You may dis-agree with the existence of ALLAH. That is ur faith.
But Muslims are not claiming any Land/Property/Right based on their belief in ALLAH.
See the difference.
Sonia gandhi is not claiming anyone elses property based on her Belief !!!
RE:Islam - a barbaric belief system. It is not a religion
by Feroz Ansari on Sep 12, 2007 08:15 PM Permalink
Read the Quran in full context.or i can also say that Bhagwatgita says to kill your brothers.What is the story of Mahabharat.Then you should also kill your cousins.
RE: RAJA RAM : A CASE OF MISTAKEN IDENTITY
by imran patel on Sep 12, 2007 08:09 PM Permalink
Existence of ALLAH is a belief. But based on that belief a MUSLIM should NOT and CANNOT claim rights on a property. He/she should own that property LEGALLY.
You may dis-agree with the existence of ALLAH. That is ur faith.
But Muslims are not claiming any Land/Property/Right based on their belief in ALLAH.
See the difference.
Sonia gandhi is not claiming anyone elses property based on her Belief !!!
Im hindu and proud of being one. However, I agree with ASI in that there is no evidence to prove that Ram was indeed a living soul. Ramayana is a fantastic tale with brilliant characters composed by Valmiki, much like Shakespeare's 'Romeo and Juliet'. The compelling story brought the characters to life to the extent that thousands of years later we have started to rever a storybook character as God.
Infact if you read read Ramayana carefully there is a character 'Javali' who constantly reminds Rama that he is only mortal and there is no life after death, so he should do what he thinks is right and not be swayed by what people say to him. That is a way of Valmiki reminding the readers to look at Rama only as a very noble man but not God!
Im not saying we disrespect Ramayana, as it is a part of our proud heritage, a great story written over 3000 years ago when the so called Western Civilisation was full of barbarians. However let us get a story book stand in the way of our progress
RE:Ramayana, only a story
by Mukesh on Sep 12, 2007 08:12 PM Permalink
Super User, I agree with you. Its true that there is no proof. But that can't be held the basis for destroying the ancient relegious places. Going by that logic, there is no proof that Jesus is God, their is no proof that Mohd was right about allah. So, should we start saying that all relegious places attached to them can be destroyed?
RE:Ramayana, only a story
by Super User on Sep 12, 2007 08:18 PM Permalink
You seem to sway from one extreme to another. Nobody for a moment mentioned destroying all places of religious worship. What is the harm in building a bridge that will destroy Ram-Sethu which is proven not be man-made.
RE:Ramayana, only a story
by r patil on Sep 12, 2007 08:30 PM Permalink
Dear Super User Going to catholic school Even I beleived Lord Ram is a myth and not history.But now after studying so much I can say Lord Ram was realy he may not be God.Their are many reason why Lord Ram is a historic fact the along list of his ancesters the same ancesters are mentioned in puran(puran means ancient history while itihas means recent history)of the purus and yadhavs.Well even Lord Krishna is a historic figure and scientist have found the submerged dwarka also.Infact Yadav surname is a testamony of the existance of YAdu yayatis son hence yadu vanshi. Myths dont come from thin air ,many time they are a dramatised version of history.All together neglecting the mythology as myth is foolishness.
RE:RE:Ramayana, only a story
by Super User on Sep 12, 2007 08:35 PM Permalink
If you had a chance to write a story, wouldnt you use real names, cities, locations etc. That way the story seems more real and is better accepted by people.
Do you see movies made today with fictional places?? - No! because real locations add more authenticity to a story even if it is all make-believe.
RE:Ramayana, only a story
by imran patel on Sep 12, 2007 08:09 PM Permalink
Existence of ALLAH is a belief. But based on that belief a MUSLIM should NOT and CANNOT claim rights on a property. He/she should own that property LEGALLY.
You may dis-agree with the existence of ALLAH. That is ur faith.
But Muslims are not claiming any Land/Property/Right based on their belief in ALLAH.
See the difference. Sonia gandhi is not claiming anyone elses property based on her Belief !!!
RE:Ramayana, only a story
by Super User on Sep 12, 2007 08:32 PM Permalink
I dont care if abraham, jesus, moses etc. were real or fictional. What has it got to do with the argument anyway?
Please learn to debate properly using proper language.
RE:Ramayana, only a story
by ALOK CHAUHAN on Sep 12, 2007 08:11 PM Permalink
No you are not HINDU....else you won't have agreed with just a 100-200 years old organization called ASI, who are not that smart as you think (Thanks to RESERVATion of the governments).....Forgetting and being with the Aurangzeb mentality people...is not good...Change yourself.....for good....History has been molested for hundreds of years...and you are helping those molesters.......
RE:RE:Ramayana, only a story
by Super User on Sep 12, 2007 08:20 PM Permalink
Jeffrey, What is the link between vedantic significance of Ramayana and Ram-Sethu. I do not disagree that Ramayana plays a significant role in understanding our past, but my argument still stands, it is just a story.
