Islamism, Jehadism can only be solved by Muslims which Muslims almost always deny to accept.
Net result of this will be : average muslims who are NOT engaged in Jehad, but never condemn Jehadis are increasingly being suspected by non-Muslims, and ghettoised.
RE:Islamism, Jehadism can only be solved by Muslims
by Vishnu Sharma on Sep 12, 2007 12:32 AM Permalink
Islamic concept of Jihad is always linked to the Pan-Islamic theory of Ummah and the establishment of an Islamic Caliphate. No Muslim in India can have such Pan-Islamic Notions. That should not be encouraged not allowed.
Sensible muslims must think of conversion into faiths closer to their religion Sikhism,Cristianity etc.
SOME MUSLIMS WHO ARE PERSONALLY GOOD THINK ISLAM IS GOOD SINCE THEY ARE BIASED TO SEE ONLY THE GOOD. BUT THE TRUTH THAT ISLAM IS EVIL STANDS OUT CLEAR. READ THE FOLLOWING EXCERPT FROM AN EX-MUSLIM%u2019S CONFESSION:
http://www.nisnews.nl/public/260607_1.htm
THE HAGUE, 26/06/07 - The Prophet Mohammed was a frightful man, comparable to Osama bin Laden, says Labour (PvdA) council member Ehsan Jami. He is the founder a Committee of ex-Muslims.
Jami, 22, who arrived with his family from Iran in 1994, lost his Islamic faith after the 11 September terrorist attacks. He re-read the Koran then and concluded that the Prophet Mohammed was a "criminal." If Mohammed were living now, you could compare him to Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein, he told Trouw newspaper. "A frightful man, someone who speaks beautiful words but behind your back brings out a knife to stab you. It was a disillusionment to discover who Mohammed really is. My enormous reverence changed to deep contempt."
RE:Sensible muslims must think of conversion
by MBotha on Sep 11, 2007 08:12 PM Permalink
ex-muslims can be counted on fingers, do I beleive them and their agenda or do i attempt to hear the 2 billion...
RE:Sensible muslims must think of conversion
by Hindustani on Sep 11, 2007 08:15 PM Permalink
No just use human common sense.Wether it makes sense to kill all idol worshippers?
RE:RE:Sensible muslims must think of conversion
by LION on Sep 11, 2007 08:53 PM Permalink
Hi Hindustani. Ofcourse Allah ordered in Quran to kill all idol worshippers but this order was given to Muhammad SAW and his companion when they were in a battle of war. The people with whom the war was going on were Idol Worshippers but the reason behind this war was not religion but because they had looted the properties of Muslims of that time and had killed their parents and relatives just because they had accepted Islam. In the same chapter Allah orders Muhammed SAW and his companions that "you shall fight against them but if they don't want to fight then you should not harm them and rather take them to a safe place and leave them."
Don't you know that according to Geeta in a batter of war of Pandav and Kaurav even Sri Krishna asked Arjun to not get emotional and rather stand still and kill the opponents even if he is his relative. Then does this mean that Sri Krishna had a terrorism mind? NO. This is a rule of war. you have to kill your opponents.
Allah says in Quran that "If anybody kills an innocent person then he will be punished as if he as killed the whole mankind and if anybody saves the life of innocent then he will get a reward as if he has saved the whole mankind."
Now You are talking about common sense. Use your common sense and think that Mughal Emperors have ruled India for more than 300 years and had they killed all idol worhshippers then only few years would have been enough for them to convert India to a 100% Muslim populated Country. Grow up
RE:Sensible muslims must think of conversion
by raj on Sep 12, 2007 12:42 AM Permalink
Hey Lion. Do Muslim nations know what peace means? They blow up each other.Create problem if any non-muslim coutry exist next to them.(India and Isreal are fine example) All Arab and Non Arab muslim countries dont have democratic goverment. All ruled by one man or military using brutal force. No Human rights.Only one language you guys will understand . That is brutal force, violance and blood shed. I think America is the right answer to this problem. Mr.George Bush have the stomach to do it.
RE:Sensible muslims must think of conversion
by Hindustani on Sep 11, 2007 09:02 PM Permalink
Exactly! This is what jihadi terrorist are not able to understand. They still think that this is medival ear and they are in Arab coutries.
As per moghul empre , it sustained becasue it collaborated with local Hidnu Kings and Aurangajeb tried with all his might to kill and convert all hindus but was not successful.
Marathas,Sikhs,Jats,Rajputs gave a tough fight and finally ended moghul sultanate.
These are terrorist and jihadis who need to grow up and our brothers like you who converted long back under the foreign muslim oppressors.
RE:Sensible muslims must think of conversion
by Hindustani on Sep 11, 2007 09:39 PM Permalink
Buddy .Clear up your concept.It is terrorist who call themselve Jihadis. This is appropriate to call them Jihadi terrrist. Whole world know this fact.
I am absulutely corrcet about Moguls. It was Marathas,Sikhs,Jats,Rajputs gave a tough fight and finally ended moghul sultanate. CHECK HISTORY.
As far more human religion is concerned.Take for example Sikhism. Which is has been epitome of best values of Hinduism and Islam.
RE:Sensible muslims must think of conversion
by LION on Sep 11, 2007 09:21 PM Permalink
First of all don't call the those men who are killing innocent people as "Jihadis". You can call them Terrorist but not "Jihadis". You people don't even know the meaning of this word. Jihad means to "Fight against evil". So are these innocent people are EVIL that you are calling those who are killing innocent people as "Jihadis".
They may call themselves with anyname but we are sensible enough to name them properly.
The one who does JIHAD can't be terrorist at all. 1st category of Jihad is to fight against our own evil desires. Tell me: Will I become terrorist if I fight against my own evil desire.
And regarding Mughals sorry brother. Your knowledge is not upto the mark. You think that few Hindu Kings and others sustained Mughal Emperors. For your information, at that time Mughals were ruling from the center and only few small other religion kings were there. So do you think that so so small kings could have stopped the kingdom that was on full power on the whole country. No chance my brother.
If you want me to grow up and follow any other religion then I am ready. But tell me a religion more or equally pure and beautiful than ISLAM. No Chance. You don't know even a basics of Islam and you are just listening to what Media and Anti-Islamists says.
Common brother. I will try to clear your misconception about Islam because I really don't want you and other brothers like you to be in darkness in which Media is trying to keep you.
How do you explain total erasing of hindus, sikhs, buddhists from east and west pakistan in a matter of few decades, while they remained there for 1000s of years of indian history?
Fact is, Mughal empire did NOT have total control over India as we think today.
Economy was in the hands of the Hindus. Muslims elite were a tiny minority, and never had any base in vast areas of india.
HOWEVER THEY TRIED THEIR BEST SPECIALLY AFTER AURANGJEB. SIKH RELIGION WAS CREATED SPECIALLY TO SAVE GUARD DHARMA WHEN ISLAMISTS ONSLAUGHT ON INDIA WAS AT ITS PEAK.
Once president BUSH went to a school. After have a brief talk with the children he asked them if they had any questions to ask him. One boy raised his hand and stood up. Bush: what is your name? John: john Bush: what is your question? John: sir I have three questions 1) Why did America attack Iraq without the approval of UNO? 2) Where is Osama? 3) Why do America support Israel so much? Bush: you are an intelligent student john. (Just then the bell for recess rang). Oh dear students we will continue after the recess is over. After the recess Bush: ok children where were we? Yes, so anybody wants to ask any question? Peter raises his hand Bush: What is your name? Peter: sir I have 5 questions. 1) Why did America attack Iraq without the approval of UNO? 2) Where is Osama? 3) Why do America support Israel so much? 4) Why did recess bell rang 20 mins before the scheduled time? 5) Where is JOHN?
Nice Fact!!! Had it been any fanatic instead of Bush, he (or she) would have shot that innocent kid John as soon as he raised his hand. But John was just taken away so that the kids don't have to learn how terrible Muslim terrorists really are.
RE:Nice Joke!!
by raj on Sep 12, 2007 12:53 AM Permalink
Next question Mr.Ismail Sayyed you gonna ask is why US is getting too close to India. Right? You dont have the balls to ask. Sandham was a brutal dictator, He broke UN sanctions, He used poison gas to kill Kurds. Why US support Isreal? Why not. Isreal has the right to exist.And Isreal is a NATO ally. Not only US govt Isreal got ful support from the American people. It is America's close friend.It need protection to survive . In 1967 all Arab countries in the middle east try to fight and wipeout Isreal , Guess what happened they beat the shit out of them. They are way too smart for Arabs. They can create head ache for Isreal.But now one in Iran openly said he want to wipe Isreal off the map. He is one says he gonna use nuclear energy for peaceful purpose.We all know his motives. So go lick your wounds , Isreal cant be touched. It is a promised land.
Islam should not stop muslims to convert to other religions. In fact the strength of Islam and its Preaching can only be know if it openly accept and allow people to convert to faith of their choice!
RE:Muslims must be allowed Convert to Other Religions!
by on Sep 11, 2007 05:32 PM Permalink
Muslim and patriotism by Santosh Kumar on Sep 11, 2007 05:23 PM | Hide replies
I really surprised when I see people are just blaming and blaming Indian Muslim about their mainstream, patriotism etc. etc.
I am in Hyderabad. After its twin blast; police captured more then 40 innocent Muslim youth from their home in Muslim dominated area. THEY (Police) BEATEN THEM MERCILESSLY AND WHEN THESE YOUTH WERE CRYING IN PAIN ALLAH! ALLAH! THEN POLICE ASTROCITIES GET INCREASED AND POLICE ASK THEM TO SAY BHAGWAN! BHAGWAN! INSTEAD OF ALLAH.
How come you expect patriotism from such people or even from their mohalla people when they are suffering/seeing injustice from system itself?
For ISI, the quantities of such Muslim youth are sufficient to mobilize terror act who got suffered from different riots across India by losing their kith-kin OR got unjustified police atrocities.
RE:Muslims must be allowed Convert to Other Religions!
by rani on Sep 11, 2007 08:34 PM Permalink
Santosh, What a load of lies!! Allah allah bhagwan bhagwan... you expect sane people to believe these conconcted lies that muslim terrorists spin to decive thir innocents... stop this nonsense for God's sake and see the truth!
RE:Muslims must be allowed Convert to Other Religions!
by SSCD on Sep 11, 2007 05:49 PM Permalink
yeah, they don't believe in democratic system to protest against such atrocities. And they take help of outsiders to settle records... Cool way to justify terrorism!! Brilliant!! But by then so many Hindus also should have terrorists against the country, no??
RE:Muslims must be allowed Convert to Other Religions!
by Ismail Sayyed on Sep 11, 2007 05:03 PM Permalink
Brother,Your dream will never be fulfilled.Wake up!!Stop dreaming!!
Islam is without doubt the best religion but the media is in the hands of the westerners who are afraid of Islam. The media is continuously broadcasting and printing information against Islam. They either provide misinformation about Islam, misquote Islam or project a point out of proportion, if any. When any bomb blasts take place anywhere, the first people to be accused without proof are invariably the Muslims. This appears as headlines in the news. Later, when they find that non-Muslims were responsible, it appears as an insignificant news%u2019 item. If a 50 year old Muslim marries a 15 year old girl after taking her permission, it appears on the front page but when a 50 year old non-Muslim rapes a 6 year old girl, it may appear in the news in the inside pages as Newsbriefs. Everyday in America on an average 2,713 cases of rape take place but it doesn%u2019t appear in the news, since it has become a way of life for the Americans.
RE:Media Maligns Islam!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Sep 11, 2007 04:31 PM Permalink
I am aware that there are some Muslims who are dishonest, unreliable, who cheat, etc. but the media projects this as though only Muslims are involved in such activities. There are black sheep in every community. I know Muslims who are alcoholics and who can drink most of the non-Muslims under the table.Inspite of all the black sheep in the Muslim community, Muslims taken on the whole, yet form the best community in the world. We are the biggest community of tee-totallers as a whole, i.e. those who don%u2019t imbibe alcohol. Collectively, we are a community which gives the maximum charity in the world. There is not a single person in the world who can even show a candle to the Muslims where modesty is concerned; where sobriety is concerned; where human values and ethics are concerned.
RE:Media Maligns Islam!!
by SSCD on Sep 11, 2007 04:48 PM Permalink
Muslims themselves are to be blamed for mis-using, mis-interpreting their religious doctrines, and in the name of Islam and Jihad done innumerable attrocities world over.
RE:Media Maligns Islam!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Sep 11, 2007 04:32 PM Permalink
If you want to judge how good is the latest model of the Mercedes car and a person who does not know how to drive sits at the steering wheel and bangs up the car, who will you blame? The car or the driver? But naturally, the driver. To analyze how good the car is, a person should not look at the driver but see the ability and features of the car. How fast is it, what is its average fuel consumption, what are the safety measures, etc. Even if I agree for the sake of argument that the Muslims are bad, we can%u2019t judge Islam by its followers? If you want to judge how good Islam is then judge it according to its authentic sources, i.e. the Glorious Quran and the Sahih Hadith.
wrong beliefs are the cause of backward ness the belief systems is wrongly directed hence we find it difficult to change the same , June 28, 2007 Ali Sina on Islam
Ali Sina is an ex-Muslim and Islam critic from Iran. He is founder of the website Faith Freedom International, and authour of Understanding Muhammad: The Psychobiography of Allah%u2019s Prophet.
Below follows Ali Sina's summary of the essence of Islam, written a few years ago. It provides a very concise overview of the most important aspects of Islam, and ample reasons for rejecting it. "Islam is a religion of peace". This is what our politically correct politicians keep telling us. But what is politically correct is not necessarily correct. The truth is that Islam is not a religion of peace. It is a religion of hate, of terror and of war.
A thorough study of the Quran and Hadith reveal an Islam that is not being presented honestly by the Muslim propagandists and is not known to the majority of Muslims. Islam as it is taught in the Quran (Koran) and lived by Muhammad, as is reported in the Hadith (Biography and sayings of the Prophet) is a religion of intolerance, inequality, violence, discrimination, superstition, fanaticism, and blind faith. Islam advocates killing the non-Muslims, abuses the human rights of minorities and women. Islam expanded by Jihad (holy war) and forced its way by killing
RE:mis guided youth are jihadis
by SSCD on Sep 11, 2007 04:55 PM Permalink
It's not easy to change "shraddha" of millions of people. You go to any village in india and you'll be greeted with "Ram Ram" or "Jai Ram ji ki" or such equivalent.
RE:mis guided youth are jihadis
by raj punjabi on Sep 11, 2007 05:39 PM Permalink
Dear Islam sayyed , can you pl tell me what is ameaning of islam? people are studying islam and they understan meaning more then a person born as muslim .
RE:mis guided youth are jihadis
by Ismail Sayyed on Sep 11, 2007 06:19 PM Permalink
Islam comes from the root word Salaam,which means peace. It also means submitting one's will to Allah (swt). The word Salaam is also an attribute of God. In this context, it means The Giver of Peace.Muslims greet each other with Salams which translates to wishing peace for one another.Thus peace is a goal that Muslims are required to strive for, in their own selves, in their families and in their communities.Traditionally Muslims have treated other religions with respect,even when they were in a position to use force.Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. During these 800 years, until Muslims were finally forced out by the crusaders, non-Muslims flourished in Spain. Muslims have ruled Arabia for 1400 years, except for brief periods of British and French rule. Yet there are today 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians whose families have been Christians going back several generations.The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. They had the power to forcibly convert each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India is non-Muslim. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness to the fact that Islam was not spread by the sword.Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. May one ask,Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia, and to the East coast of Africa ?
RE:mis guided youth are jihadis
by Hindustani on Sep 11, 2007 08:07 PM Permalink
Muslims tried ther level best to convert all but they failed. Now th time has come to wipe them out completely.
RE:RE:mis guided youth are jihadis
by SSCD on Sep 11, 2007 05:10 PM Permalink
the growth is probably due to large number of immigrations out of 'unsafe' countries. And of course various socio-religious factors working favourably for the community.
A Secular-Democratic force can only beat imperialism. When Bin-Laden gets much strength, George Bush and Sangh Parivar both will get chance to beat Muslim community.
RE:A Secular-Democratic force can only beat imperialism. When Bin-Laden gets much strength, George Bush and Sangh Parivar both will get chance to beat Muslim community.
by Tathagata Mukherjee on Sep 11, 2007 09:41 PM Permalink
KK: CPIM is now wooing Islamists, Jehadis. Please read history of central Asia, how even after 70 long years of Soviet Rule, ALL of them became Islamic states.
CPIM is at mercy of Islamists iN WB, Kerala. No wonder, they will be wiped out sooner than expected.
RE:A Secular-Democratic force can only beat imperialism. When Bin-Laden gets much strength, George Bush and Sangh Parivar both will get chance to beat Muslim community.
by raj on Sep 12, 2007 12:57 AM Permalink
KK you dont make any scence. Is your name Sahadevan? It sounds like a Hindu name. Oh I forgot. You are a Communist. Worse than the terrorist. . sorry , forgot about that.
RE:There is no way you can feed a viper and not be bitten by it
by Nanchil on Sep 11, 2007 03:51 PM Permalink
The vipers are saffronites and muslim terrorists!
RE:There is no way you can feed a viper and not be bitten by it
by Ismail Sayyed on Sep 11, 2007 06:23 PM Permalink
Viper is in your mind.stop preaching hatred.
RE:There is no way you can feed a viper and not be bitten by it
by rani on Sep 11, 2007 08:38 PM Permalink
Why Ismail... NAnchil is speaking the truth! he is not at all preaching hatred.. he is voicing his opinion which is clear as daylight!
Stop crushing peoples voices in the name of bigotry!
RE:why some body should change their religion
by SSCD on Sep 11, 2007 04:30 PM Permalink
But not all religions are that open. Only Hindu philosophy truely believes, in all paths lead to the same destination. Therefore, so many ways to worship have florished. And there was never a tension amongst them.
WHAT IS THERE GAIN FROM DOING SO? IS IT REALLY JIHADIS WHO BLOW UP THE MOSQUE ?IS IT THE JIHADIS WHO KILLED MUSLIMS WHICH ID 50%OF THE PEOPLES WHO DEAD IN HYDERABAD RECENT BLAST?
RE:WHY SHOULD JIHADIS KILL MUSLIMS IN HYDERABAD OR BLOW UP MOSQUE?
by SSCD on Sep 11, 2007 04:33 PM Permalink
Well, there is a famous saying which goes along like, when you want to burn dried wood-stock, some green one may also burn, but what the heck don't care!
RE:WHY SHOULD JIHADIS KILL MUSLIMS IN HYDERABAD OR BLOW UP MOSQUE?
by vijay kumar on Sep 11, 2007 03:32 PM Permalink
they believe that muslim who die in blast will go to heaven ...............others who died in the blast have no permission to live in this earth and are to be killed ........
source............cnn ibn ...........if u wish i can also send u link
RE:WHY SHOULD JIHADIS KILL MUSLIMS IN HYDERABAD OR BLOW UP MOSQUE?
by Ismail Sayyed on Sep 11, 2007 03:47 PM Permalink
Brother Vijay,CNN Or other western media is not an angel sent from the Heaven.Why you trust them so much.Media is distorting the truth.What you saying is all crap.Nothing of such things exist in our religions.Brother,dont unnecesarry say anything about others.Preach love not hatred.
RE:WHY SHOULD JIHADIS KILL MUSLIMS IN HYDERABAD OR BLOW UP MOSQUE?
by raj on Sep 12, 2007 01:03 AM Permalink
Is Aljazeera good for you MR.Ismail Sayyed? If that is good for you , then CNN, BBC are music to our ears. When you guys start preaching LOVE. You preach love by tieing bomb around your body, or planting bomb in the plane? Which religious faith in the world killing others like this? Attacking Temples, Chruches, Senagague. In Tailand killing Buddist monks. Beheading, this is the way you preach LOVE?
