One thing is sure........ everyone in the world needs a big brother. LOVE or HATE......better than terroristic instincts of killing FOR ANY THING AND EVERYTHING.....Even for sake of 72 virgins, wine and eternal youth......can not be relished by all.
Love or hate..... let be minus Heavenly perks. A known devil is better than an unknown angel (devil)
British oil companies and the government controlled the oil in Iraq and Iran. Mossadeq was elected as the prime minister of Iran and he nationalized Iranian oil because the British were cheating Iran in revenues and treated the Iranian workers worse than animals. The scheming but emasculated British (after WW2), played on the fear of communism of the paranoid US Secretary of State Dulles and his brother who headed the CIA. They in turn persuaded Eisenhower to overthrow the legitimate government of Iran to install the cowardly Shah (who had run away in fear) as an absolute monarch. In return the Americans got a share in the Iranian oil company. Earlier president FDR had signed a deal taking control of Saudi oil for a pittance from the foolish Saudi king, and the promise of protecting his power and Palestinian rights. His successor Truman betrayed the Saudi king by supporting the formation of Israel to appease American Jewish voters. The leftist populist General Qasim of Iraq was overthrown by the CIA and Saddam was installed as the Iraqi leader nearly twenty years later.
RE:Her Majesty's Service
by saturn on Sep 09, 2007 07:08 AM Permalink
Mr. Jehan Mir, your case seems to be that of the fox's sour grapes. Your country cannot live without India hatred. Your real worthlessness will be exposed before your own people if you do not engage them in India hatred.
Anyway, you are also welcome to participate in such exercises. Your naval ships would serve as good targets for practicing firepowers of the other nations participating in these exercises.
RE:Tibet
by Chinni TV on Sep 09, 2007 12:51 AM Permalink
Are you from China LOL. Take it easy. India unlike China never claimed Tibet to be a part of it. All it claimed was that it was an independent nation and not part of China. Poor Tibetans are everywhere except in their homeland. You that is China cite identical culture to cede Tibet. India doesn't buy your lame argument.(though now it is forced to buy) :(
Earlier Indian politician made mistake. Historically Tibet is part of India. Nevertheless entire south Asia plus Manmar are part of India. Tibet comes first on the list in unification of India. No need to define boundries of our nation by British. We have our brain, history and culture. All this are sufficient to claim on Tibet. Never forget big nation is strong nation.
It gave USA an oppurtunity to plant listening,monitoring, data colecting devices on Indian flotilla,to pinpoint Indian Navy's weaknesses and areas vulnerability,evacuating into and polluting the sacred waters of Indian ocean.
RE:You Even Don't Know
by Chinni TV on Sep 09, 2007 12:43 AM Permalink
Why do you think it is bull shit? Uncle Sams are well known for that. They even dont believe their own citizens. They tap the phone conversations, intercept the mails of their citizens all in the name of security. Osama bin Laden be damned.
RE:You Even Don't Know
by Dipankar on Sep 09, 2007 12:50 AM Permalink
I agree with Jehan. Sam has read all Indian comm frequency, survey the whole area, reaction times, ships configuration .... and walked away. They don't care about the so called friendship and inter-operability.
Naval wargames developed understanding between 5 nations, these nations have highest treat from China.
China illegally occupied Indian Tibet. Indian Gods (like Kailash) are in Tibet. Holy river Brhamaputra originate from Tibet. Now China has to withdrawn their troops from Tibet otherwise they have to face Indo-US joint military action.
RE:Indo-US joint military action
by Sahil on Sep 09, 2007 08:22 AM Permalink
Earlier Indian politician made mistake. Historically Tibet is part of India. Nevertheless entire south Asia plus Manmar are part of India. Tibet comes first on the list in unification of India. No need to define boundries of our nation by British. We have our brain, history and culture. All this are sufficient to claim on Tibet. Never forget big nation is strong nation.
RE:What has India gained from naval wargames
by sri on Sep 08, 2007 08:06 PM Permalink
Why dont you wait for the Indian Navy to put out its message! Regardless, the Indians have at various times during the last couple of days said what advantages will accrue.
RE:RE:What has India gained from naval wargames
by Sudhakar Thamodharan on Sep 08, 2007 09:06 PM Permalink
capitalists views of both countries match and hence these dramas. capitalism is at its peak in India. The gap between rich and poor is very high in India. We have capitalists in the name of real estate agencies, private industries, landlords, film stars, influential bureaucrats, politicians, who do not contribute to the society. These are the people in India who break the law and manipulate the law to get away from punishment. They evade tax and justice system. On the other side you can see the poor people being framed and punished in the name of caster, religion, class, etc. India has more to be fixed internally than to look towards external powers.
RE:What has India gained from naval wargames
by Jetinder Singh on Sep 08, 2007 10:42 PM Permalink
budy that is exactly what you are going to do when u mannage to get Rich ...
RE:What has India gained from naval wargames
by Ravi Jain on Sep 08, 2007 09:24 PM Permalink
Well said my friend! You have described the problem better than anyone else. So, what do you propose we do? Communism? Socialism? What's your solution for the plight of the poor and the law breaking rich?
RE:What has India gained from naval wargames
by Sriram on Sep 08, 2007 10:25 PM Permalink
On is a pinko nut..its not even a he or a she its a 'it'. Pathetic pinkos..Kick them out of the country also take this 'it' with them
Eisenhower overthrew the democratically elected government in Guatemala and similar regime changes were made in Honduras, Nicaragua, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Peru, Ecuador, Venezuela, Bolivia, El Salvador, Cuba etc. from eighteen forties to the present. America got involved in Asia first by taking over Philippines and Guam as colonies from Spain. The Philippines wanted independence and the US army massacred over hundred thousand men, women and children. After Iran in 1953, Eisenhower supported the French when they tried to reclaim Vietnam after WW2. When the French lost at Dien Bien Phu, during the Geneva conference Ho Chi Minh consented to a referendum election after an armistice. The US reneged on the accords and supported a Christian leader named Diem as the ruler of Buddhist South Vietnam. He was corrupt and unpopular and was assassinated with CIA help, and replaced by equally corrupt and incompetent leaders. Eisenhower sent military advises to Vietnam. Kennedy, his successor sent more and Johnson ultimately sent 500,000 troops. They couldn%u2019t win the war just as in Afghanistan and Iraq today. Nixon carpet-bombed Laos and Cambodia and widened the war but couldn%u2019t win it. He didn%u2019t want to lose the war so he kept it going just as Bush is doing at present in Iraq. It is to get out honorably out of Vietnam that Nixon went hat in hand to China with the help of Pakistan.
RE:America - only money and self interest
by sri on Sep 08, 2007 08:10 PM Permalink
What about all that china has done in Tibet and the thousands if not more that they have butchered there. What about their ruthlesness in Xinjiang? What about their treachery against India. What about their support of regimes in Sudan over Darfur, of Myanmar, of Pakistan and so on and so forth. Overall, the US is reliable, shares great ideas with India and is constantly learning.
RE:America - only money and self interest
by nickel biswas on Sep 08, 2007 08:12 PM Permalink
Yeah. America - only money and self interest. India - only NO money and fight for other's interests (i.e. Iraq, Iran, China etc.)
