RE:Democracy sans security and rule of law.
by Transformers on Sep 07, 2007 09:50 PM Permalink
Agreed more moslems died in Bombay riots. Bt why did the moslems start the riots in the first place. A masjid was brought down in the UP, wots the logic of rioting in Mumbai. U do not expext people not to retaliate whn the riots were startd by moslems. Did the pople of mumbai bring down the masjid, the answer is no, thn why did moslems start riots in Mumbai. Also the so cald alledged bombers are not alleged bombers bt convicted bombers. get ur facts right b4 commenting or maybe u need a lesson in english.
In most countries if a case is booked then the convict is punished in quick time and he will server is sentence and come out of jail.This process will be done quickly, but our judicial process starts punishing the suspects the day they are arrested. Look at Sanjay Dutt he has been living with out peace of mind since 14 years, In some other country he would have served and come out of jail 8 years ago. In some way our system does this slow poison kind of thing which is better if people are really involved. All these criminals and terrorists should suffer more before they die.
RE:Indian judiciary is great !!!!
by Pritish Nagaraj on Sep 07, 2007 08:37 PM Permalink
We love all killer Islamic terrorists, Maoists ! All are welcome ... pls come and kill us !
It happens only in India !! ... remember that song?
Given the current situation in India, Do you prefer a Military Rule instead of Democracy ?
I ask this question because people seem to trust the military institute more than the democratic institute. If that is the case then, Democracy is not our cup of coffee.
RE:Have a question for all...
by Transformers on Sep 07, 2007 09:53 PM Permalink
Its actually DEMON-CRACY. Bt military rule, u must be kiddin. how did that even ccross ur mind.
RE:Have a question for all...
by imran patel on Sep 07, 2007 11:50 PM Permalink
I was surprised to see the response that people gave me...They were all OK with random checking and things of that nature...They were OK with Military doing police work...
Dude, you dont know who's where when what,... so just shut up ! ... but I woke up real democracy in US, no kidding.... what we have in India is mockery of democracy !
RE:RE:Have a question for all...
by mahendra dev on Sep 08, 2007 02:53 AM Permalink
dear nagaraj do not waste your time on them .they live in a banana nation so they have never tasted true freedom . you live in usa , so enjoy leave them to their fate and karmas .i am also living in usa for over 22 years .. now i do not worry about india it can take care of itself . if their system is corrupt what i can not do any good since i have no voting rights in india .if majority is satisfied . let them be so
This is very common in Kashmir...I was also subjected to this Humiliation during my Trip in 2005. How do we expect the masses to be with India. Military is not the solution.
Srinagar, Sep 7: Policemen and paramilitary CRPF men cordoned off the busy Lal chowk area on Friday afternoon and subjected pedestrians to an identification parade, witnesses said. They said CRPF men and cops sealed the exit points near Regal Chowk and near Ganta Ghar. Later pedestrians were asked to line up and prove their identity. Entire operation continued for nearly an hour.
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by Narendra on Sep 07, 2007 06:36 PM Permalink
Making big deal of so called humiliation.. What about the people who losing their lives in Hyderabad, varanasi, coimbtor..and the poor kashmiri pundits
RE:RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by imran patel on Sep 07, 2007 06:43 PM Permalink
We cannot ERASE History, but we can surely Learn from it...There is no point is looking back and blaming...It is useless...We did that for the last 60 years..Blaming the WEST...What happened ?
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by Nandagopal KCS on Sep 07, 2007 07:25 PM Permalink
right , history cannot be erased. we should learn from history. The history is muslims have killed people in india, destroyed temples libraries, culture, partitioned the country. History cannot be erased.Learnings from history. Beware of muslims, muslims cannot be trusted.If muslims population increases in that region there will be violence on non muslims. Seperatism takes place in that region.
RE:RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by imran patel on Sep 07, 2007 06:42 PM Permalink
So should we start having this kind of checking in Hyderabad, varanasi, coimbator ?
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by Narendra on Sep 07, 2007 06:48 PM Permalink
Dear ..in hyderabad they started doing this..I , as I don't have any thing to hide, and I do not belong to a crazy community called mosle, don't mind being subjected to so called humiliation
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by Gautham Sabbu on Sep 07, 2007 06:36 PM Permalink
How come this is a humiliation. Don't you read bomb blasts in Kashmir. If I were there and they asked me to stand in a line for identification parade, I will do it very happily instead of getting killed by a bomb expolsion. Terrorists move along with us and we have to suffer a bit to keep the neighborhood safe.
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by imran patel on Sep 07, 2007 06:41 PM Permalink
Let me paraphase Thomas Jefferson, People who compromise their liberty for security, end up losing both.
India is at that Junction. We need to decide.
Some analyst also suggest that the bombs go off because there are Targets, Indian Armed Forces.
RE:RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by Narendra on Sep 07, 2007 06:49 PM Permalink
Dear ..in hyderabad they started doing this..I , as I don't have any thing to hide, and I do not belong to a crazy community called mosle, don't mind being subjected to so called humiliation
Bobs go off here as there are targets..the inoccent public..
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by imran patel on Sep 07, 2007 07:02 PM Permalink
Then Frankly we have lost to the terrorist. The AIM of the terrorist is to terrorize people. And this random checking helps their cause.
We may end up being a POLICE state, where individual freedom is compromised every step of the way.
There was a 9/11 here in the US. Why is there no random checking ? There were acts of terrorism in London and Madrid. Why is there no random Checking ?
We need to ask ourselves these question. Random checking is like a Band-Aid that comes off very fast. It is not a strategic plan to combat terrorism.
Are our police trained to handle militancy ? Ask yourselves these questions. I want us to be effective in fighting terrorism.
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by Narendra on Sep 07, 2007 07:08 PM Permalink
All you are writing this bcoz you want to carry some RDX tomorrow to a public place..I know your motive
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by Indian Analyst on Sep 07, 2007 07:20 PM Permalink
Imran, Are you an expert at terrorism ? The Army is saving lives. They should have the freedom to check people. They might be acting on some intelligence tips... This is not random harrassment ! Differentiate between the good and the evil. Your judgement is compromised b'cos you are a muslim first ! You have stubbornly refused to see anything wrong with your religion or even misinterpretation of koran ! For a change, question your interpretation and behaviour rather than everybody else's. I am sure that you would not show this sympathy to people who are not muslims.
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by imran patel on Sep 07, 2007 07:13 PM Permalink
Narendra, This kind of thinking will take us nowhere. I have many Hindu friends and I am amazed by your thinking. You are NOT a good representation of the Hindu Community.
Why can we not debate on an effective way to combat terrorism in Kashmir ? Why does it boil down to finger pointing ?
The reason we are NOT great, is because we lack introspection. We are not willing to correct ourselves or look at other alternatives.
RE:RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by imran patel on Sep 07, 2007 07:38 PM Permalink
My friend Santosh, There is a debate here in the US over that. They want their policies to be effective. They do not do random searches because they know it is NOT effective.
My point is that there are better tools than random searches to fight terrorism.
RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by santosh srivastav on Sep 07, 2007 07:15 PM Permalink
Ok Imran Patel, let me tell you one thing here.
I originally from HYD and working in US since 2 years. I was shocked when I heard of blasts at Mecca and Gokul/Lumbini park which has happedned recently.
Now coming to your point saying US and UK dont compromise liberty for security....my dear friend they do it and they do it with HI-TECHNOLOGY with out anyone knowledge.....eg:- All the chat rooms, all the conversations one has will be monitored and when they find suspicious they focus on the individual.....
Coming to the so called Humiliation according to you......
I completely cooperate and appreciate thr military efforts to avoid mis-haps and for tht If have to stand in the queue for long time I am ready to do that and I will take it as my contribution to military in avoiding terrorism and thr plans.
I want to contribute to Military in which ever way possible....here i am being pratical and hope people understand. I am being hypo saying i want to Army and bla bla......what ever possible from my side...
RE:RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by Narendra on Sep 07, 2007 07:25 PM Permalink
I mean..imraan I appreciate your last message..however I do not consider the random checking as humiliation..for me my life is more precious than so called liberty..what do i do with the liberty if i am dead...a society which allows the terrorists to operate..don't deserve the liberty
RE:RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by imran patel on Sep 07, 2007 07:40 PM Permalink
If you all agree to this kind of POLICE STATE, why don't we just install a Military Dictator and throw democracy out of the window.
RE:RE:Peace in Kashmir...
by Nandagopal KCS on Sep 07, 2007 07:28 PM Permalink
Who is that "we". It is the muslims lost to terrorist. Muslims need to learn and prevent terrorism perpetuated by their community people. Or else there wornt be much to learn further, when majority community becomes radicalised. There wont be any secular parties to help.
Manmohan Singh just issued a statement. He has asked people of india to calm down... He wants to avoid communal rights and any injustice to Muslims... he asked people to respect the judiciary system.... Ofcourse he has also booked 3 tickets for Memons to flew to Pakistan ASAP....
HOW CAN A CONVICTED AND SENTENCED TERRORIST GET A BAIL....
RE:PM Issues Statement
by Narendra on Sep 07, 2007 06:27 PM Permalink
You missed one important part: He announced that he is going to have sound sleep tonight..His brothers have been freed
This is the biggest slap on the face of Psuedo seculars. If India was really a Hindu Majority and VHP / RSS / BJP led country, as these Pseudo seculars project, Memons would not have even applied for Bail. They are soooooo confident of in activeness and tolerance of Majority o Hindus. In spite of being responsible for killing of so many people, they are still applying for Bail. Dont be surprised if Sheela Bhatt and Syed Firdaus Ashraf host a parry to "welcome back" these convicts. Please note these Memons are no longer suspects or accused, the are convicted. If all of us tolerate these Memons enjoying freedom, even Dawood may want to come back. He has two people from Rediff supporting him - Sheela Bhatt and Syed Furdaus Ashraf. Jai ho terrorism ki and Jai Ho Pseudo seculars ki
RE:Memons & Pseudo seculars
by Ramachandra N on Sep 07, 2007 08:03 PM Permalink
Next Article of Sheela Bhat : Why Memons should be given Bharat Rathna with Rs 100 Crores as Compensation
Are people commenting here aware of the juditiary system and legalities involved on how they got bail?
Anyway very limited information is provided on the reason of granting bail. No legal impetus is also given on under what articles were they convicted. How can people make so much comments without knowing these things?
