We should be able to do a tight walk and have both on our side "diplomatik" Iran has oil and we need the same , America is a bully and we need to tell them to stop selling wepons to Pakis and than the balance the scale . We can also promote splitting of Pakistan into Baluchistan and than we have 24 secure pipe line , also create a NW frontier agency and develop likn with AFGHANISTAN . Stop the USA and UK from there neo colonial design and help to secure the China and there friendship , Play cool with the yankee , the want the bed and the wife , so be carefull , remember Vietnam / Nicaragua / Sam Salvador / Gautamala / Honduras / and now IRAQ,you cannot trust USA . Jai Hind Sekhar
Neo-colonial baboon, you are one. Please, stop that nonsense. Everyone on earth knows that it is critical for us to be strongly aligned with America, if we are ever going to be ready to face a looming China.
For your apparent stupidity, we may pay a costlier price when China attacks and we don't have American aid.
RE:India and Iran vs USA
by kshitij tumbde on Sep 07, 2007 03:58 AM Permalink
What is the guarantee America will come to aid when China attacks? Why should we even expect, wasnt the dream to create a "self reliant" nation?
Rediff should get basic facts right when reporting important news:- Senators John Kyl is Republican from Arizona, and Richard Durbin, is Democrat from Illinois.
RE:Incorrect Article
by Jagan P James on Sep 07, 2007 09:49 AM Permalink
what important news item, this wont have been a news at all unless some idiot in rediff has thought so..
i do not think congressis are smart in foreign policy. but are there some in the mea who are trying to play the iran card? what would they want to settle for in return for the americna favor? do they want american help with any pakis or the chinese problem? bush is talking to the chinese today. perhaps he can tell the chinese to back off on arunachal and tibet??
RE:is india playing iran card?
by yes boss on Sep 07, 2007 02:21 AM Permalink
we dont want another islamic nuclear state india should immidately stop giving any military technology to iran.
RE:RE:is india playing iran card?
by yes boss on Sep 07, 2007 02:26 AM Permalink
pakistans radicalised islamic army would sooner or later will definitely drop a nuclear bomb on india thinking they would get heaven by killing dis- believers (hindus).and iran would drop nuclear bomb on israel. islam is a curse on all of us
RE:RE:RE:is india playing iran card?
by Jagan P James on Sep 07, 2007 09:52 AM Permalink
i would bet on Iran to drop atomic bomb in Isreal to get even, proveded when they have it, and that is very much clear for all world powers, so they dont want Iran to be nuclear.
Although it is a different matter whether India should work with Iran or not. USA or any of its senators should be dictating a sovergian democratic country to whom it should have relations with. India should look for her own interest, if having relations with Iran is good for some reasons by all means we should have it. If there is no use other that pacifying our communist and small percentage of people from some community, then such move should be opposed. BUT, it is INDIA and her people who should decide with whom they should have relations and not any tom dick and harry.
RE:Although it is..
by girish s on Sep 07, 2007 12:36 AM Permalink
so?..that doesnt mean ki wo sar pe aake nachenge..if we want relations with iran, we will have it. US is doing business so is Iran. lets keep it that way. keep the treaty n keep the pipeline.
Now this 123 Agreement will decide India's foreign policy? Why so? who is the US to decide whom India should have relations with? The fruits of the Nuclear treaty are becoming visible. Now India will be pressurized to compromise its foreign policy. Natural Gas from Iran is much more practical in all senses than the Nuclear technology from US and the Nuclear fuel from Australia (another bully). Why do we have to go through so much hassle? Granted US is the "superpower" but India is on the verge of becoming one along with China, and Russia. So the development is going towards a multi polar world which is important for world piece. By aligning with US, India is leaving aside its claim as a superpower and also threatening the world piece by adapting policies that US wants us to adopt.
RE:123 Agreement is bad for India
by Confused on Sep 06, 2007 11:38 PM Permalink
I agree. I appreciated india when she resisted taking part in killing saddam, the irony was entire world quietly observed the assassination of saddam. ( though saddam may be a bad fellow but then he was president of the country and the way he was hanged was illegal, by any international laws)
RE:RE:123 Agreement is bad for India
by on Sep 07, 2007 12:22 AM Permalink
The entire world also quietly observed Saddam assassinating his own people...
RE:123 Agreement is bad for India
by girish s on Sep 07, 2007 12:38 AM Permalink
more than that, as President n as a person, he was a friend of India. but 123 is not that bad, considering from where it comes.
RE:123 Agreement is bad for India
by on Sep 07, 2007 12:21 AM Permalink
Agree that we should not lie down and accept anything from anyone (except a Super model or 2!!) but at the same time lets not get carried away about all this media hype about India being aSuperpower!! We have a long way to go before we start basing our foreign policies assuming we are a superpower. If you think China and Russia will bat for India then you have a lot of reading to do about our history with these countries. China only cares for itself( as it should) and Russia just used our idiot politicians to sell us junk arms. How many Indian pilots have we lost flying MIGs???
This anti-US stuff seems a little over the top and breathes of envy/jealousy.
RE:RE:123 Agreement is bad for India
by girish s on Sep 07, 2007 12:42 AM Permalink
actually, both points, though contrary, r true. n that shud be our position. Trade with US to keep China on hooks, and trade with Iran to keep US on hooks. Till the world politics changes its course, thats how it works, no friends no foes, and all friends all foes.
RE:123 Agreement is bad for India
by dip dutt on Sep 07, 2007 12:42 AM Permalink
It is not Russia's fault that we never cared to upgrade our Mig. Russia even today has the best Jet fighters (Sukhoi Su 27 and 37), which is acknowledged even by the US.
If IBM sold you a 80286 processor PC in 1987 and you never cared to upgrade it to Pentium II, and it breaks down, how is IBM at fault?
RE:123 Agreement is bad for India
by girish s on Sep 07, 2007 12:56 AM Permalink
I liked the Swedish machine. But I doubt, this or any govt. will hav the balls in the shadow of bofors.
RE:Ties with Iran?
by nitin gandhi on Sep 06, 2007 11:35 PM Permalink
Where does dravid comes in picture when we are talking about the Iran ties? are you all right?
RE:Dumb Pakis
by Krishna Teja Mandavilli on Sep 06, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
Mr Confused, as confused you are let me tell you fun at the expense of anything degrading is never proper. Winning is about creating a value where there exists none and not by making someone else lose. Learn to be a winner.
RE:Dumb Pakis
by Golden on Sep 06, 2007 11:48 PM Permalink
my goodness. i want to take admission somewhere i can learn jihadic emmmotion and feeling and motivation. are you sure i can get it in pak. thansk buddy... dont worry, if any one catches me, i shall not tell that you showed me the path, but i dont know about the others. any keep rolling.... hope your head will also roll one day...
RE:Dumb Pakis
by on on Sep 07, 2007 12:16 AM Permalink
Careers in India.... If we are in India, our options for professional courses after Std. I would be as follows :
RE:Dumb Pakis
by Krishna Teja Mandavilli on Sep 06, 2007 11:28 PM Permalink
There is no fun in giving irresponsible statements about nations you would want to dislike. Learn to respect the world.
India should severe all ties with Iran for now as per US wish. US will soon oust the current leadership in Tehran and replace it with modern thinking secular leadership. India can resume the relationship once new leadership in Tehran takes over.
India has benefited immensely from close US ties. But that is nothing compared to what will follow.
RE:India should severe all ties with Iran
by akshaya deshpande on Sep 07, 2007 12:03 AM Permalink
Minto`s are the most realistic truthful vews based on facts.Iran is abusing Islam by actively supporting terrorists in Iraq, Afghanistan etc. The only reason for their support is their incorrect understanding of Islam. Everyone now knows that any fundamentalist and Islamic fanatic-leadership country possessing nuclear weapons will give those to any other Islamic country in the world without a moment`s hesitation for mass-killing the Americans and Europeans,the Christians, the Hindus, the Buddhists. India must have nothing to do with Iran, a country led by an unbalanced President. WHY SHOULD INDIA BE SOFT TOWARDS AND SUPPORT ISLAM FOLLOWERS IN OTHER COUNTRIES? One can understand our love for and brotherhood with Muslims in our own country, who love India as their own motherland. The entire Islamic world knows that India has been supportive of other Muslim countries on various occasions substantially for pleasing Muslims in India. That must stop immediately, beginning with Iran.India must go with the US and the West full steam in all fields,and derive benefits for a speedy development. They are most dependable because they have strong ethics and do not need to exploit countries like India for their development,and they can be trusted, unlike any othercountries including Russia, China, NAM countries etc.
RE:RE:India should severe all ties with Iran
by Lalatendu Deo on Sep 07, 2007 12:19 AM Permalink
That is no reason for us to desist ourselves from engaging Iran. By not in contact with Iran, do you think we will change them. From where do you think we will get Gas. From US? By sitting here and saying something is not done. We know much about as to what is being done in Saudi Arabia. Do we stop sending our people there? What Israel is doing is heinous crime. Everyone knows that. But we have more than a cordial relation with them. Are we not doing business with them? And what about the US? Are they DUDH KA DHULA? Then why not Iran? If we do not do any thing on the Pipes, we would be sacrificing benefiting our economy and benefits to our people.
And going with the US does not mean that going against any other country. And being friendly to any country would not prohibit us from coming closer to the US.
RE:India should severe all ties with Iran
by Minto on Sep 07, 2007 12:27 AM Permalink
We will not need any gas from Iran as a result of 123 agreement will pave way to installation of many nuclear power plant that will supply all of india's energy need.
RE:India should severe all ties with Iran
by Lalatendu Deo on Sep 07, 2007 10:40 AM Permalink
You can not run your car with the nuclear energy. Nor would you have your stove lighted with that. Do you think our industries' input is only electricity?
RE:India should severe all ties with Iran
by Sree Jani on Sep 06, 2007 11:15 PM Permalink
Minto Diplomatic relations are not like choosing prostitutes....or may be it is. But India needs energy for sustained domestic growth. Iran is a far better choice for that than US. In that context, it is an issue of do we want oil and gas from Iran or nuclear know-how/tentative help from US. Obviously, Indian diplomats are betting on both, wisely. Because for India's policies, her self-interests are more important than the self-interests of a war mongering country.
RE:India should severe all ties with Iran
by Minto on Sep 06, 2007 11:34 PM Permalink
Iranian oil flow will stop for a brief period. It is doubtful that current government in Tehran will last another six months. India, in the mean time, can get all its oil from other sources like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Pehaps we can negotiate with USA and get oil from their strategic reserve. We are very good at negotiating deals as illustrated by 123.
RE:India should severe all ties with Iran
by luqman kondeth on Sep 07, 2007 12:33 AM Permalink
ic...the US startegic oil reserve is for India??? Now, how intellgient are you?
RE:India should severe all ties with Iran
by Kurt on Sep 06, 2007 11:37 PM Permalink
That is correct! We should look at this as a historic opportunity and take it. We stand to benifit with USA as a strategic Partner and the future looks bright with US by our side. Ignoring Iran is in our best interest.
RE:India should severe all ties with Iran
by SI on Sep 06, 2007 11:16 PM Permalink
Just like how it ousted Saddam from Iraq and replaced with govt which is not even capable of securing thier own country??? Iraq one of the greatest exporter of Oil is now a begger country. you moron use some brains instead of giving hollow suggestions.
RE:India should severe all ties with Iran
by balu sanjay on Sep 06, 2007 11:32 PM Permalink
yeah. we are getting the oil for free???. once if they stop selling oil to the enormously consuming coutries like india, the oil producing nations will drink it.
RE:India should severe all ties with Iran
by Lalatendu Deo on Sep 06, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
India will suffer very badly, in the long run, by going close to the US. Historically, being close to the US means to be a subject to their Whims and Fancies. Even the UK has not been able to release itself from their clutches.
It would be very far fetched to think that there would be a Leadership change in Tehran. Even if the HYPOTHESIS becomes a reality, the development (Pipelines) can not be dug out or the supply will not be stopped due to obvious economic reasons. And it is definitely required for India to be close to the US today, to be friendly to the Future Iran, which is another Hypothesis.
We must not heavily depend on those Hypothesis to direct our Policies.
RE:RE:India should severe all ties with Iran
by Lalatendu Deo on Sep 07, 2007 10:44 AM Permalink
Ignorance is never a bliss!!!
Are we dependent on those things from America? The technology will come, inspite of US's liking, as it has been un till now. And will be coming in future. Whether it is 123 or 456.
RE:India should severe all ties with Iran
by on Sep 06, 2007 11:43 PM Permalink
Folks-lets be real here. We often make judgements about things using anything but common sense. Lets assume we get close to Iran and fulfill the dreams of our Communist parties. Lets think of what we will gain in that scenario= 0. We will perhaps get access to some oil which won't meet our long term needs. On the other hand, the entire trading block from the West will take a hard look at India. Sure we are a great and developing nation but we CANNOT and WILL NOT succeed if we alineate the major global economic powers. Also, since when can we trust the Iranians? That country is full of double standards and a training ground for terrorists/fundamentalists who HATE India just as much as they hate Israel and US. So what you are suggesting is to get close with a country that is run by an authoritarian psycho President rather than the US?
If you are right about the US then you should join the Communists. Look what wonders they have done in Bengal.
RE:India should severe all ties with Iran
by Lalatendu Deo on Sep 07, 2007 12:05 AM Permalink
ON, Are our economic success because of the US or in spite of the US? No country has gained much, historically, from the US. We have something to show, by being independent from the clutches of US. The French and the Germans never toe the line in most of the cases.
Can you please tell me, which are the countries that have excelled by toeing the lines of the US? They will slowly and surely get you fully dependent on them for any thing and every thing.
By saying so, I am not saying that we should not go with the Deal. But I hope that there are a good scope of improvement there. You must have got an idea as to what I wish to say from some of my postings here in Rediff, as I do have of yours and of some others. If you recall, we had a discusson on the matter some time back, on the matter.
I think we need to tell United States to stop giving Pakistan sophisticated weapons and other military technologies, which can be used against India and then we can reduce our bilateral ties with Iran.
India will be guided by its own national interests
RE:Quid Pro Quo
by on Sep 06, 2007 11:48 PM Permalink
India's national interst is to get close to Iran? Think my friend what you ask for. Also, a few guns and lasers won't make a big difference to the Pak army. US has to keep throwing some bait for the Pakis to remain happy.
