RE:wats so gr8..
by veerapuram dharan on Sep 07, 2007 09:58 AM Permalink
we never had any problems working with any country except china and paki..iran no way has history of attacking india..
RE:wats so gr8..
by kile leax on Sep 07, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
Add sri lanka and bangladesh to your list.
Also India shouldn't make the same mistake as the US. It is only a matter of time till Iran exports its terrorists to India. Don't forget, Iran was an ally with the US before they went rouge.
we have to look at our energy security concerns, and not only through the american cartel. they want us to come to them, so that we will owe them a lot more, and they still continue with thier clout. i guess, we can go our own way. its these times of growth that we need to come up on our own terms, and not everything to be dictated by the american energy cartel. as it is we are pretty much choiceless, leaving iran out, even though they are a rogue nation will leave us out of choice. we have been neutral so far with our NAM and other initiatives, and we never reaped any kind of benefit from it, save from russia. its time we helped ourselves a bit.
WHY EVERYONE is worried about Iran Nuclear rights. Israel do have the hundreds of Bombs from a long time, But no one talks about it. Don`t forget that the Biggest terrorist, America is the only country who have used the nuclear Bombs on civilian and other banned weapons on humans world wide. Except AMERICA, It is all other countries who are more responsible in their use of power.
RE:The Biggest treator
by Govind Pant on Sep 07, 2007 09:54 AM Permalink
i think, people of india should stand and take a stance. who is US and who is UK? Master the art of self decision, art of saying NO WHEN NECESARY and art of acting with mind and not with heart.
RE:The Biggest treator
by marwin suresh on Sep 07, 2007 11:10 AM Permalink
It was those nukes that ended World War 2,if not US soldiers were dying while fighting an enemy that did know when to quit.
US does what it needs to, protecting its own. India should learn from that. Don't forget Kargil.
We need to have our own identity. We should never forget our old friends (Russia, Iraq, Iran) who have stood by us through our difficult time. USA is trying to get very close to us just for their personal agenda, as the equation in Asia is changing. When will our politicians learn to go the right way.
RE:never forget the past
by marwin suresh on Sep 07, 2007 11:14 AM Permalink
India is the 12th largest economy in the world. If they plan on going up the list, naturally they need to stick with the winners circle and quite frankly Russia, Iraq and Iran are no where near that.
RE:never forget the past
by V S on Sep 07, 2007 09:55 AM Permalink
The right way is to align with US to contain china.
Remember India needs to become more practical and realize that our great nation has two hostile enemies...the fundamentalist Pakistan and the cunning and ruthless Chinese.
RE:never forget the past
by ashok pai on Sep 07, 2007 10:01 AM Permalink
you are right and wrong. we need to partner and engage with the usa for trade related matters. we need thier co-operation for energy too. but total dependence on any one party will be wrong. besides, we have ambitions to grow big and stand on our own (read, the stand that someday we'll be a superpower. right now all that talk is bullshit, with us faring badly in plenty of indexes health to corruption, which might never allow us to be a powerful nation).
russia is no longer the power it used to be, iran, iraq are no longer are in desperate position themselves, so are most of our former communist friends. most of them are ruled by despots and failing communists nations, or other such states: cuba, libya, palestine, iran, iraq, none of whom helped us save for iraq who supported against pakistan during testing times. i dont think we need such friends anymore, we want to position ourselves closer to the european bloc for trade, asean bloc for trade and regional balance, and with states for a 360 degree relation.
I used to critisize the LEFT for their interfearance in 123 agrement from the begning. But now I feel that US is trying to tie us & interfear in our Soverginity. GO TO HELL WITH YOUR N DEAL.
RE:LEFT IS RIGHT
by Chandra SK on Sep 07, 2007 09:46 AM Permalink
Well if you change your mind everytime you read a news report, better not have a opinion at all.
RE:RE:LEFT IS RIGHT
by Adam Marshall on Sep 07, 2007 09:57 AM Permalink
Opinions and reactions depend on the facts revealed. One cannot have a universal opinion irrespective of the current situation.
RE:RE:LEFT IS RIGHT
by Govind Pant on Sep 07, 2007 09:55 AM Permalink
yes, this is what i express above, beside, people and every tom dick and harry will bully the developing or under developed nations. ( bullying the poor countries )
RE:LEFT IS RIGHT
by ashok pai on Sep 07, 2007 10:04 AM Permalink
left is not always right. left is right regarding lack of transparency by congress. but where they are wrong is thinking america has design of imperialism. usa is a imperialist as long as we dont have a voice. if we have it our way , like the chinese did to twart usa, then we need not be afraid of them. in fact we have to look at our point of vew all the time like how usa looks after thier point of view all the time.
Dear Uncle Sam India is a soverign country a largest democracy in the world,It has a foreign policy .India is not going to ask you for every action, Indian secular governemnt work on the direction of parliament for the greater causes of its citizen.
Did you ask India or any govt before attacks on Iraq or Afghanistan, You are killing hundreds of innocents every day do you take care of any world human rights organization.
We are a peace loving country we do not interfere in any one affairs and respect the soveirgnity of other country too.
You have no right to interfere in our foreign policy or in any matter, Gas project is much cheaper than your proposed nuclear project by doing the agreement you want to interfere in our affairs indirectly, we have planty of coal and water we can make electricity by its the safe too for humanity.
Since as a human being we also tske care about humanity.
Somehow this myth that Indians in India have that India has become a developed country and doesn't need anyone's (especially US) help needs to be squashed. We are probably a good 75 years behind US or any other western country on all imaginable scales. World diplomacy is not about standing alone but to work with like minded partners who have shared interests. What shared interests or values do we have with Iran? Its an extremist country with ambition to build a nuclear bomb. That will make it one more islamic country with the N bomb in our neighborhood. That aint in India's interest at all.
well if you can manage to get along without your american & western invented computer, internet, automobile, electronics, televsion, movies, aeroplanes, satellites, etc.....then you can be independent of external requirements and dictates.
RE:Dear Uncle Sam
by Truth BeTold on Sep 07, 2007 09:10 AM Permalink
Totally agree buggs bunney, even the democracy that we boast so much about is invented by the west. Before british, we were all living in autocratic societies ruled by kings.
RE:Dear Uncle Sam
by Bhuvanesh on Sep 07, 2007 09:29 AM Permalink
Yeah the bitter truth is that our total economy is dependant on the consumption patterns of the US and European countries...say IT or Manufacturing There is nothing admirable in having a pact with Iran, After all its an Islamic country and may fall into hands of likes of Osama and then we will face the music...
RE:Dear Uncle Sam
by Bhuvanesh on Sep 07, 2007 10:17 AM Permalink
chandra. it should be read as " our economy is dependant on the consumption patterns of developed countries " you want me to prove that
Indian Investments in Iran is very less compared to that of German or Japanese ^_^ US have to understand that India have various other regional compulsions, vis a vis Pakistan and their new stupid port coming up with Chinese support, as well like traditionally Iranians are more supportive of India's cause in OIC than Saudi's or other Muslim countries.
Iran has been an healthy modern democracy than any other middle east or in that case Arab states. It is stupid to see, United States closest ally in there Kuwait granting voting rights to women only last year..hehehe.. Saudis still like what they have been thousand years ago.
United States Of America had gone mad, just to maintain American Jobs in US armament factories and Oil they go haywire. My personal opinion, the world lb better off without USA than Iran.
It sucks to see, a powerless puppet like Manmohan selling our country for nothing but so called Nuclear genie. Wait, let me say something if I were to meet Manmohan. Ill just ask him one qn.. If you were to buy evrything from US with this agreement, then why the heck you invested so much in BARC or AEC or whatever all these days, wasting the blood money from tax payers like us?
He is one of the worlds very few rarest stupid leaders who support Bush. He himself hated by majority Americans as the worst president they ve ever had...
RE:Damn US!
by rajkiran on Sep 07, 2007 09:55 AM Permalink
I want to react very strongly to your opinion about nuclear deal. From the rest of your message, you seem to be a sober guy and hence little shocked to see this particular opinion about nuke deal. I'd guess you havent read the text of nuke deal and Manmohan singh's team have done a very good job though not the best.
Nuke deal will be with NSG-international community and not just US. US was just a good starting/entry point. Infact, you'll observe that we'll be buying most of the uranium from France, Russia & Aus and not US. France & Russia are already supplying us with nuclear material but in very limited amounts.
Now, to talk about investments in BARC & AEC, they are also doing decent job though not a very good job. BARC & AEC require "fuel" -- you cant create fuel!!!.. However, the alternative is to use thorium and for research on thorium based reactor, you need studies based on uranium based reactor too. And, most importantly, you need nuclear fuel until our scientists get ready with the thorium based reactor. Scientists just cant develop a reactor out of their hat. It requires good amount of research and you should applaud the scientists work till now given that India was under sanctions for the past 30 years.. And this nuclear deal will help remove that sanctions and expedite research on thorium based reactor.
And, I understand your emotional comments like "selling country" etc.... That is not at all true..infact, you've been mislead.. There is nothing being
RE:Damn US!
by Buggs Bunney on Sep 07, 2007 09:00 AM Permalink
dont forget that germany & japan are close allies of the USA and will do exactly as america tells them.
RE:Damn US!
by dip dutt on Sep 07, 2007 09:22 AM Permalink
That's where democracy provides the checks and balances. Every single leader who opposed Bush during Iraq war won the general elections- Schroeder, Putin, Chirac..Every single supporter had their vote shares drastically reduced (such as Blair).. Unfortunately because of conservative brainwashing and FUD around gay marriages, etc that did not happen in USA. I live in the liberal Left part of USA (San Francisco to be precise)..To lot of residents in SFO, Bush=Stalin=Hitler with no difference..History has been fair to Hitler-the guy eventually died at the end of the war. This SOB, George W. will retire in his Texas ranch after presiding over the massacre of millions.
I would like to pull your head out of liberal sand and set the record straight. Your statement that "Every single leader who opposed Bush during Iraq war won the general elections- Schroeder, Putin, Chirac..Every single supporter had their vote shares drastically reduced (such as Blair)." is full of holes. Every single leader??Perhaps this may open your eyes Schroder was elected in 98 before Bush came to office and lost to Pro Bush Merkel during Bush's tenure. Chirac was elected president in 1995 before Bush came to office and his liberal party lost to Pro Bush candidate Sarkozy. Putin (elections in Russia are a farce anyway) was elected in May 2000 while Bush was in office but there was no 9/11, Afghanistan or Iraq at the time. As for Blair, he was elected in 97 ( was Clinton's buddy), again, well before Bush came to office and joined hands in the war on terror. Equating Bush with Hitler is a bit unfair. Hitler massacred 6 million Jews and would have conqured the world had America not stepped in. On the other hand, Bush got involved because of unprovoked mass murder of 3000 civilians by Arab terrorists. So stop worshiping Hitler and come to your senses. It is ok to not to like an individual but comparing him to Hitler is ludicrous
RE:Damn US!
by mr on Sep 07, 2007 09:02 AM Permalink
When people think democracy or soft people are stupid & try to do harm, then no one should tell bush as Bad.
RE:Damn US!
by Bhuvanesh on Sep 07, 2007 09:38 AM Permalink
Buddy you are rite in one way.... But dont compare India with Germany or Japan . They are very strong economies .
RE:Damn US!
by Aloke Sinha on Sep 07, 2007 09:53 AM Permalink
India should learn something from China. We should stictly determine our foreign policy on the basis of our National Interest.
If it is our interest to have ties with Iran, then so be it. It has become a trend nowadays that whatever american is right. No way, they are may times wrong with their foolish imperialist tones. India has the might to stand on its own. They do need any body.
RE:Damn US!
by Truth BeTold on Sep 07, 2007 09:08 AM Permalink
SONIC, can you tell me what inventions have BARC, ARC or for that matter DRDO have made? They cant figure out a plane for 20 years for gods sake. Its in-style to bash US, but had there been no US, Indians will still be ruled by Japanese.
RE:Damn US!
by Aloke Sinha on Sep 07, 2007 09:14 AM Permalink
So, what's bad if we are ruled by the Japanese. Now we are ruled by the yankees, who are also not better in any way.
RE:RE:Damn US!
by Truth BeTold on Sep 07, 2007 09:20 AM Permalink
If you think we are being ruled by Yankees, then what about the claim made by some of your friends here that we are the world's largest democracy?? We didnt elect US to be our ruler, did we?
RE:RE:Damn US!
by Ramesh L on Sep 07, 2007 09:56 AM Permalink
Idiot. Don't go barking without knowing the facts. I don't mind you a** licking the west but don't rubbish India.
RE:This doesn't worry Communists
by Aloke Sinha on Sep 07, 2007 08:35 AM Permalink
Now it is the USA wo will dictate us what should be our foreign policy. India shall maintain relationship only with such countries which she seems to be in her interest. USA is no body to poke their nose here.
RE:This doesn't worry Communists
by Loan Shark on Sep 07, 2007 08:50 AM Permalink
USA is not dictating anything ... the senators are just concerned about India's relationship with Iran and how that can compromise the technology given to India.
USA hasn't told India to sever ties with Iran. It is just that if you have an enemy, then you would be careful dealing with a friend of the enemy.
RE:This doesn't worry Communists
by Aloke Sinha on Sep 07, 2007 09:03 AM Permalink
If you have read the newspapers for the past one year, you will find that USA has suggested the Indians to maintain distance from Iran and even they have told us not to go ahead with the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline project.
Whether that does not tantamount to interference in the India's internal affairs.
RE:This doesn't worry Communists
by Aloke Sinha on Sep 07, 2007 09:57 AM Permalink
Iran and Iraq were the only Islamic countries who have supported India on Kashmir issue.
Besides a friendly Iran with India definitely tie up Pakistanis on their western border.
RE:This doesn't worry Communists
by Loan Shark on Sep 07, 2007 07:43 AM Permalink
BJP is the one wooing muslims ... don't forget that it was Vajpayee who rode the bus to Lahore and it was Advani who praised Jinnah during a trip to Pakistan - yeah to a contry that supports terrorism in India.
BJP is as much busy palying minority politics as everyone else. Admit it that BJP too is dying to get muslim votes, not that it considers our hindu votes as secured.
RE:RE:RE:RE:This doesn't worry Communists
by Loan Shark on Sep 07, 2007 08:53 AM Permalink
LOL @ UP ka bhaiyaa.. BJP does not care about peace between India nad Pakistan. If they did, Vajpayee would not have started with nuclear testing and invited sanctions.
BJP, like any other party, just cares for its votes - hindu votes are secured, now woo muslims and screw hindu interests in the name of pleasing minority.
This is the same US government that wooed Saddam Hussain around 25-30 years ago, and gave him full support to "Go Kill Iranians!". Now if we toe the US line, and comply with their 'concerns', who knows what India will be like 25-30 years from now?
With regard to Nadir Shah, let's not forget that he did not invade a soverign nation called India. He legitimately waged war against a rich Mughal Empire and conquered Dilli.
RE:re: US senators concerned about Indo-Iranian ties...
by Loan Shark on Sep 07, 2007 07:46 AM Permalink
Well, this just confirms senators' doubts that once friends can turn enemies. That is why US has stopped sale of arms to Pakistan ... now nothing of strategic value except supplies to help pakistan army help in america's war on terror, are sent to pakistan.
