Communism's original and most basic principles deal with the rich owners and the workers or proletariats. Unfortunately for Marx's cause, a third order was coming to power and it would prove to be the larger and more powerful than either the proletariat or the capitalist aristocracy. This third middle grounds was completely misjudged by Marx and incorrectly lumped in with the bourgeois rich. Marx's entire theory was based on class struggle and a difference in these classes forcing a revolution to be followed by an "equality" of all classes (the irony: Marx and Engels were factory owners when they published the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital!). The petit-bourgeois, Marx's term for the middle class, was only to further divide the upper and working classes by an irreconcilable rift. In reality, the opposite happened and the middle class actually bridged any "rift," that is to say if there was one in the first place! The arrival of the middle class practically ruins any chance for this revolution as well as any need for it. Further it presents a variable unaccounted for simply because it fits incorrectly into the communist and socialist theory. Strange that people put faith in a theory that completely misjudges the majority of the population!
RE:RE:Marx misjudged the middle class!
by Niharika Sharma on Sep 01, 2007 07:50 PM Permalink
Monmohan Singh:
He can never win a single election of his own.
Pranab Mukherjee:
He can never win a single election of his own.
Both are like parasite to Sonia. Did you ever see them oppose Sonia ? Did you ever see them debating with her. They will never. Just smart. They know she is their boss, master and they are her slaves. Sonia is an Italian....stinks of Bofors can never get eliminated even if CBI controlled by PM never does anything. There can never be fire without smoke.
Now the same person, who doesnt have public mandate, is running this nation. Ask monmohan to run a election with his own without Sonia, he will not even win 30 seats. Commies have at least 50 or more and they are consistently getting it for many elections.
We r run by a family through a worldbak buracrat, who thinks he becomes the hero by throwing dirt at commies and anyone who wants debate. Commies r nt saying that scrap the deal, they r saying lets debate. Why should one fear debate if he is so confident that he is right. now cong never debated, for them the debate ends with high command's wish. thats their culture, u know. When we debate we talk abt the main issue, i.e. pros and cons of deal, nt why communism is dying, cpaitalism is flourising(look at the Latin american countries, heard abt chavez?, they are new breed of commies, rebirth ones). The debate is nt abt capitalism vs communism. its nt abt deciding between being CIA agent and China agent.
RE:Marx misjudged the middle class!
by Niharika Sharma on Sep 01, 2007 07:39 PM Permalink
Neheru(The practical face of Congress) was a British agent.They used Lady maounbaton to make sure India is divided at the birth. As a result India and Pakistan are fighting for 50 yrs to each others. US and China was mostly with Pakis, all through. This divide helped in keeping the fear factor, hatred, atmosphere of instability alive. So all these country can sell weapons and arm dealers can have good business sucking money from these poor country. This problem of Kashmir and others will never get solved coz that helped congress in India, it helped the dictators in Pakistan and most importantly the arm delears in US, Russia, China all. Present deal is nothing bt an another example of the same game.
To take a stand against so called popular belief and ask for a debate require courage. One will always blamed, vindicated, accused and what nt. Majority never likes to think that they can be wrong. So commies will always appear the villain.
Indira was the person who became dictator during emergency and she was also a cong. Remember Sanjay, her son ? What difference she has from any dictator anywhere in the world ?
Rajib was the real face of congress. He openly dabbled with arm dealers, so we had Bofors. As long as cong will rule India, this truth abt his involvement will never come into open. Quattarachy will never be caught, as long as Sonia is there.
Monmohan was worldbank employee, so is Montek. He will always be more loyal to world bank interest then India's.
RE:Marx misjudged the middle class!
by satya pal on Sep 01, 2007 07:51 PM Permalink
YOUR ANALYSIS SHOULD OPEN THE EYES OF OUR RIGHT THINKING PEOPLE.WE ARE LIVING LIKE BEGGARS IN THE INTERNATIONAL SCENE.AMERICA IS BLOCKING US TO BECOME THE SIXTH PERMANENT MEMBER OF UNITED NATIONS,BUT IS WILLING TO SUPPLY URANIUM AT ITS TERMS.CONGRESS AND OTHER PARTIES WILL NEVER ALLOW TO LIVE US WITH RAISED HEAD.THEY HAVE GIVEN BIRTH TO CORRUPTION,CASTE AND RELIGION BASED POLITICS.THEY SIMPLY WANT TO REMAIN IN POWER.CONGRESS IS BENT UPON TO PLEASE THE MINORITY COMMUNITY FOR VOTE BANKS.
yes mr bardhan, gates of heavens dont open for such material pursuits; but then for development of our country we need to take some tough decisions; once earlier too the winds of Industrial Revolution did not reach India and we paid a very heavy price for it when Britishers colonized us; then we were not aware; but we are today and we consciously cannot evade the progressive stand taken by our Hon. Prime Minister. So please stop opposing for the sake of opposing; get more practical and try to understand with an unbiased mind; for once at least forget politics in the country's interest.
Mr Bardhan's comments which is a loose translation of a proverb in Bengal at least shows his faith in God and Heaven . A very candid confession from a seasoned Communist lke him !
RE:God and Mr Bardhan !
by Prem Mohan on Sep 01, 2007 07:24 PM Permalink
Here is a story for you. When Andre Malraux met Mao Zedong in his (Mao's) old age, he is said to have asked Mao, "What are your plans now?", Mao replied, "I am preparing to meet my Maker". These communists are all fibbers, from top (Mao) to bottom (Bardhan).
Due to the fact that free will exists even under the strictest attempts to oppress it simply due to human nature, compliance with socialism and communism becomes a major problem in a communist or socialist state. In order to combat this free will, noncompliance, disagreement, and dissension it often becomes necessary for an inherently unequal elite to assume authority and power in a communist state in effort to combat this problem. A concentration of widespread power arises at the top among those elite as a natural result of there existing a superior few. Just as Lord Acton noticed "absolute power corrupts absolutely," large amounts of power intensified in a small area tend to attract those hungry for power while corrupting those in power. 3
Examples of "the bad" on top in control economies:
Josef Stalin, Soviet Union
Pol Pot, Kmehr Rouge
Adolph Hitler, Germany under the National Socialist German Workers Party (nazi in short)
Leonid Brezhnev, Soviet Union
Fidel Castro, Cuba
Mao Zedong, China
Kim Il Sung, North Korea
Tito, Yugoslavia
Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam
Huey P. Long, communist leaning governor of Louisiana in the 30's famous for 'removing' opposition
Communism attempts the impossible: to control human individualism by making a society of inherently individual people uniform. Thought is free and independent and, no matter how hard anyone tries, can never be fully controlled. Communism and socialism depend upon ideological compliance with their theories, yet human nature prompts inevitable dissention from such theories. As a result, communism and socialism may achieve full compliance only through coercion, which in turn translates into communism and socialism's great failure. This failure led to the disastrous massacres of communism which were often attempts to combat opinions different from the communist governments. Try as it may, socialism and communism has never been able to destroy dissenting free thought and form a universal thought: one accepting of the communist/socialist theory necessary for such a theory to be implemented and succeed. It is simply human nature to ask questions and to look for the new and the alternative!
When chowkidars of hell are standing on the doors of Heaven, how can the gates be opened. It is in the interest of communists not to let indians get prosperous as their constituency of poor indians would get diluted.
