...coming from a techie like Kalam who has contributed a lot over the years to our missile and space research efforts - maybe it is a good idea after all to invest more money into figuring how to do the equivalent with our vast reserves of thorium. Ofcourse, getting it from Bihar will be the tricky part. The morons in that part of the world can be a pain.
I have seen lot of post here pro on N Deal, but on should not forget it is kind of giving blank check to uncle Sam, before writing something about this please go through the nuclear deal completely, uncle Sam never do anything without their profit, there are lot of ways to generate electricity our f**king leader never show interest on those, simply they want to copy which is coming easily but we have to pay the price for it sooner or later.
RE:N deal giving blank check to uncle Sam
by Krishna Prasath on Oct 30, 2007 07:52 AM Permalink
I accept uncle will not do any business without any profit. But even if it is going to contribute only 10%, what you are proposing to replace that with thermal power, biomass based power plant? do you know Indian Thermal power stations use Australian coal due to the fact that Indian coal is of low grade? If you want to use biomass based power plant do you know much land, money that is required? So come up with a solution than simply saying we will use bla bla bla
RE:N deal giving blank check to uncle Sam
by on Oct 30, 2007 10:21 AM Permalink
Look at the indian market, required lots of fuel to go faster than we are planning... no one can stop us there. Any other competive nations will worry if we are getting stronger there..
Think possitively, and consider just a business deal. Any signed contract will have a plus and minus, but end of the day we should consider our benefits only.
Why did America invest lots of money in afgan, iraq and other countries? its a business deal that looking for long term returns. Same way, signing a deal with india democratic way they are looking at another opportunities. As long as benefit is minimum 50:50 ratio, we should go for it.
We are the democrats, we can oppose anything. But open your eyes and consider US$ still far below in the market while india running to GDP20 ratio. We need extra enerty to increase to GDP30 ratio.
Our fate is, indians are skilled, knowledge resources around the world with one thing common - our emotion always above our common sense :)
NB: We saw protesters stop building express high way projects in Kerala. Reason? express high way break the kerala in to two! Well, they are the one of the highest moderate peoples in india. Good luck guys!
RE:N deal giving blank check to uncle Sam
by apjunkmail on Oct 30, 2007 03:10 AM Permalink
Yes even the fuel for these reactors has to be BOUGHT at a Unknown price. After that all reactors produced will account for 10% of Indias electricity . My sore point is FMCT (Fissile Material Cut Off treaty) or its content INSIDE NSG agreement. Without Fissile Material there can be No nuke weapons.
RE:RE:N deal giving blank check to uncle Sam
by Krishna Prasath on Oct 30, 2007 07:55 AM Permalink
The main reason we are getting fuel for this reactors are we DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FUEL. Do you think just for reactors we went for the deal, no buddy we went for the fuel.
RE:N deal giving blank check to uncle Sam
by CatchTwentyTwo on Oct 30, 2007 07:22 AM Permalink
And despite all this, China is against us signing the deal... hmm... thats strange.. now why would China care if we went ahead and got the deal if its indeed so bad...
The US needs allies and India is the only democracy that it can trust to give that kind of knowledge. Not only is this deal good for us, it is also good for the world to keep such countries as China at bay... today we dont have half the nuclear technology that our near great neighbour has... try and understand that this is not India giving in to US demands... but the US giving in to India's needs...
Do not doubt the progress we are making... and do not be under the prejudice of the congress bashing, sonia bashing mentality.... as this deal may actually help us here.
I am wondering if the China is working behind the scene through the left parties in India to block the Indo US Nuclear co-operation. I believe and sincerely hope this is not true and that the left parties are working in the national interest of India or at worst are playing a political game which has nothing to do with China.
RE:Are the communist actiing on behalf of China?
by Srinivas on Oct 30, 2007 02:58 AM Permalink
CPIM criminals are China supporters. If there is a war again between India and china CPIM supports China and ditch India. They are traitors
RE:Are the communist actiing on behalf of China?
by Anil Bharali on Oct 30, 2007 04:03 AM Permalink
MR SRINIVAS .YOU ARE A REAL VICTIM OF PROPOGANDA AGAINST LEFTBY A VERY OLD PIECE. GENTLEMAN LIKE YOU SHOULD NOT MAKE THIS MISTAKE.
RE:Are the communist actiing on behalf of China?
by Krishna Prasath on Oct 30, 2007 07:57 AM Permalink
what Srinivas said is true and it has been proved, but what you said is real propaganda, check your facts before you post rubbish.
RE:Are the communist actiing on behalf of China?
by Krishna Prasath on Oct 30, 2007 08:11 AM Permalink
buddy you woke up very late lol, left? national interest? oh chin's national interest u mean?
RE:Are the communist actiing on behalf of China?
by apjunkmail on Oct 30, 2007 02:34 AM Permalink
I do not know about indian commies , but do know that India cannot agree to comply with FMCT objectives included in NSG agreement . If you do say bye bye to nuke weapons for ever. Something Not in Indias security intrest.
RE:RE:Are the communist actiing on behalf of China?
by jaihind on Oct 30, 2007 02:37 AM Permalink
apjunkmail what about oue economic interest. you are fit to live in bullock cart era.
RE:Are the communist actiing on behalf of China?
by apjunkmail on Oct 30, 2007 02:41 AM Permalink
All the nuclear eletricity ever generated will only account for 10 per cent of Indias eletricity. West is selling this deal as a proliferation victory for them , proliferation is a code word for removeing nuclear weapons from India. Give up NUCLEAR WEAPONS ? Only a loony sucking on bribes or crazy will advocate this.
RE:Are the communist actiing on behalf of China?
by ashish sinha on Oct 30, 2007 02:54 AM Permalink
but wheres the issue of giving up nuclear weapons? civilian facilities and military facilities shall be separated. the deal states that US shall only withdraw the materials that it had provided to india in the case of any violation. How does it affect our nuclear armament ?
RE:Are the communist actiing on behalf of China?
by apjunkmail on Oct 30, 2007 02:58 AM Permalink
Example like you have a car with half tank of petrol and you are cut off from ever puting more fuel. When you run out of that half tank thats it. FMCT objective written into NSG agreement takes the nuke fuel out from the weapons as they cannot be replaced. No new weapons can be made without Fissile Material .
India SHOULD want the same terms as the US- China nuclear agreement even if it takes significantly longer to negotiate.
India cannot agree to Fissile Material Cutoff Treaty objectives which is part of NSG draft . As it is a back door to cap and roll back of Indian Nuke weapons. Without Fissile Material nukes weapons cannot be mantained or when Fissile Material degradation in the weapons takes place they cannot be refreshed in future. Example like you have a car with half tank of petrol and you are cut off from ever puting more fuel. When you run out of that half tank thats it. No deal is better than a BAD deal
RE:Sorry NO FMCT objectives in NSG agreement are NO No
by venk ts on Oct 30, 2007 02:36 AM Permalink
Can any body provide more information or give link for full details of Nuke deal ?
