It is time understandable people in India start to realise that the N-deal although constructed as Indo-USA N-deal is in fact INDO-GLOBAL Neuclear deal .This is why it is so important for out National interest to conclude the deal. People in large number are not aware that our Neuclear scientist are outcast in the World arena becouse of sanction and can not augment their knowledge.This deal will not only provide us the most important Neuclear energy but also open the door for our scientist for advancement in knowledge which may make us self relient both in knowledge and ewuipment for future. Communists do not weant Indian development.
RE:Indo-Global N-Deal
by Anil Khare on Oct 29, 2007 11:12 PM Permalink
.....can not augment their knowledge - This can only be used by incompetent nuclear scientist as an excuse for lack of success.
RE:Democracy means inclusive
by raj on Oct 29, 2007 07:16 PM Permalink
Lucky B, Speaking of democracy, You communist dont have damn right to preach about democracy,Mr.Lucky B you seem very ignorant of USA. They know what democracy is. Go teach your motherland china.
RE:Democracy means inclusive
by Lucky B on Oct 29, 2007 07:32 PM Permalink
Raj, You seem to be an CIA agent who is assignment to abuse whoever rights about USA, or some Talibani Jehadi who doesn't understand that opinions differ in democracy.
The people like you only believe in name calling. I do not believe in murderous religion called communism.
RE:Democracy means inclusive
by Lucky B on Oct 29, 2007 05:56 PM Permalink
US is a symbol of double standard and double speak. Every policy needs senate's discussion and then approval. The same thing applies to other democracies too.
Giving a term doesn't make someone owner of that thing. It exists in some other form throughout the world. Centuries old Indian panchayat is example of that.
PS: For your information I am not against the deal. But I don't accept bossism, blackmail or goonism either.
RE:Democracy means inclusive
by Loan Shark on Oct 29, 2007 06:18 PM Permalink
LOL ... but your ignoring the Iran analogy confirms that do concede that being democratic and being trustworthy are two different things ... LOL
Every country must act to defend its people, its economy and its support base. You call it double standards, to me those are the standards. US has never opposed even once to parliamentary discussion or vote on the deal. Right now they are lobbying with the rightists to make the deal possible.
If you favor the nuclear deal, you would criotisize the left and BJP for holding the country to ransom. Those are double standards that you fail to see, where they see a conflict between their political interests and the national interests and choose the former.
RE:RE:Democracy means inclusive
by raj on Oct 29, 2007 07:18 PM Permalink
Lucky B Goonism and Bossism is not the attitude of India or USA. It comes our of Communists and Communist nations.
Kissinger will give kiss of death which will linger..... Hyde act is hiding lot from India.... Bush or thorny BUSH....???? Utimately N-deal or End Deal. Leave this,complex deal(or renegotiate as per exact July 05 declaration),both India and US.Lets be brothers.Bhai-Bhai.....
It is recognised world wide that Nuclear Energy is the only Safe energy source of the future and to stop global warming coal burning furnaces which generate electricity should be closed. there is no other option left and considering India as a responsible Nuclear Power US is offering this oppurtunity, why didn't such treaty has been made with pakistan, just think about it..Today we are not in situation where cannot achieve it before 5-8 years of development but we should keep our R&D labs running so that our research should not stop at any stage.
RE:RE:Nuclear Engery is the fuel of Future
by Lucky B on Oct 29, 2007 05:13 PM Permalink
You are right. But some points are not clear. Like what would be impact of this deal on defense establishment, future testing, international monitoring, separation of defense and civil reactors and limitation of R&D (i.e. fast breeders), future limitation on other aspects etc.
RE:Nuclear Engery is the fuel of Future
by Loan Shark on Oct 29, 2007 06:30 PM Permalink
LOL, what's not clear? just because it's not clear to you doesn't mean that it's not clearly put in the documentaion.
There is no restriction on testing. There is no inspection of existing nuclear facilities. There is no such thing as defense or civilian nuclear reactors ... all nuclear reactors are for civilian use only. They use the spent fuel for making nuclear bombs. The treaty does say that it will be regulated and India will have to proivide data on disposition on spent fuel.
You haven't read anything, don't know anything and then on a discussion board, talk like a pro ... you must be from BJP ... LOL
RE:Nuclear Engery is the fuel of Future
by Lucky B on Oct 29, 2007 07:37 PM Permalink
Your father Raj says I am a communist and you say I am from BJP. You both decide first who I am.
But I am sure you both are hired by US to pump the deal.
RE:Nuclear Engery is the fuel of Future
by Dipak Bose on Oct 30, 2007 09:08 AM Permalink
Have you heard of Chernobyl( USSR) or Three Miles Island( USA) or Muramoto Crisis( Japan) or Shellafield ( UK).
If you know what are these, you will never say Nuclear energy is the safest.
If the Tamils want to die in contaminations let them have many more nuclear plants, as many as they like, if they can pay for it from their pocket. Nuclear energy is the most expensive and most dangerous.
Is MMS/Sonia that far gone that they cannot even sit down and talk to Mr Advani? What kind of joke is this that a Prime Minister cannot discuss issues of national security with the leader of the opposition. The PM would rather front an external retired politician / statesman to front for the deal? My god MMS you better resign, you are not fit to be a PM. The funny part is that this was supposed to be executed by the Delhi Coterie and it failed massively. I didnt see any attempts to get regional leaders involved. Other Kangress leaders such as Mr Mukherjee etc were also sidelined.
RE:Shouldnt this be done by MMS / Sonia
by Lucky B on Oct 29, 2007 05:16 PM Permalink
On other hand PVR Narsimharao involved opposition, and even sent Vajpayeeji as head of delegation.
The congress really need to learn from the great PVR.
RE:RE:Shouldnt this be done by MMS / Sonia
by Kabeer on Oct 29, 2007 05:27 PM Permalink
Dear Lucky B, That is why we need seasoned politicians (there are many good people still aroud there, howmuchever we may hate politicians!)
A Vajpayee never does this thing or a PVNR. It is the stupid MMS who didnot get there by winning a direct election will these incompetent things.
Educated, honest, are not the real traits you need to run a nation. You need great skills and maturity and understanding to run a nation like your country.
That is why PVNR and Vajpayee are great leaders while APJ Abdul Kalam made a stupid statement even after 4 years in Presidents office "we need a two0party system" Good that he was not allowed a second term. It is a different matter that Pratibha Devi SIngh Patil is neither a great politician nor a scientist!
RE:Shouldnt this be done by MMS / Sonia
by Shahryar Pax on Oct 29, 2007 05:58 PM Permalink
I think Abdul Kalam quite rightly was pointing out the dangers of a one-party (Congress only) system!
RE:Shouldnt this be done by MMS / Sonia
by VH on Oct 29, 2007 04:58 PM Permalink
A good observation. Just imagine if our so called leaders deplomatic ability is so bad that they cannot even convince their own country men (like Advani) then what they could with any negotiation with other countries.
RE:Shouldnt this be done by MMS / Sonia
by deecee on Oct 29, 2007 05:07 PM Permalink
Really this man is not fit to be PM of such a great country.Heis puby,a chamcha of madam.and then he hates Hindus. that is why he doent talk to a Hindu party leader.He will invite a terrorist like Afzal Guru to dine but not Adwani.
Talking to Kissinger? That cold-war era Nixon assistant who promoted China and Pakistan, and scorned India again and again? He is to be scorned and ignored. Probably he will do better advising and bringing democracy to Pakistan!!
RE:Talking to Kissinger? that old snake?
by MSAT on Oct 29, 2007 04:19 PM Permalink
Kissinger wears new clothes these days! He is among the biggest supporters of India in Washington today. So why should you be bothered if he is acting as a lobbyist for india and doing our work for us there.
RE:Talking to Kissinger? that old snake?
by MSAT on Oct 29, 2007 04:41 PM Permalink
If Prakash Karat stars in it as the chief villian, it should be fun watching, no doubt!!
USA just simply does not want to quit. They keep coming back at it.They are trying every trick in the book to hook India. Now they are using old,retired Henry Kissinger to act as an ambassador of veiled threats and to call on Mr.Advani.
CIA,FBI scout US college campuses,businesses and professionals,to recruit agents who would propound US position and to spy on members of their own communities or in the countries of their origin.Indians,Pakistanis being most vulnerable due to lack of education or knowledge of their rights and or convictions are most targeted. At times these rogues would harass people to spy on the members of their own families or male friends.
In the same vein,US has just sent a contingent of fully paid Indian-Americans to talk to opponents of the N-Deal .
Poor Kissinger who probably already has Alzheimer disease like his boss President Reagan may be a victim of such a scheme. Kissinger is not in any position to vouch for the credibility of this Administration which has lied to American people on numerous occasions and got them into a costly,wasteful wars with no end in sight, causing high number of US casaulties and deaths and loss of trillions of dollars which could have been better spent in meeting the needs at home.
Pakistan improbably got sucked into becoming US 51st State and is now in deep trouble.US now desperately trying to make India its 52nd State.
India just watch out.You don't know who you are dealing with.There is no
RE:Get Off India's Back
by Jehan Mir on Oct 29, 2007 04:10 PM Permalink
Continued : ....... no substitute for self respect and independence of thought and action.
RE:Get Off India's Back
by MSAT on Oct 29, 2007 04:16 PM Permalink
If you beleive that we will be the 52nd state of the US or anybody else, you are out of your mind. However, your display of inferiority complex, shameful as it is to an Indian, should not come in the way of India entering into a deal that will serve its interests. If we have to deal with the devil to get what we want, so be it, as long as we don't forget we are dealing with the devil.
RE:Get Off India's Back
by Jehan Mir on Oct 29, 2007 04:27 PM Permalink
Just think why US wants this deal more desperately than India.US is dying to hoodwink India.
India can satisfy it energy needs,including civilian nuclear in other ways without having to sell its soul to devil.Pakistan is in a sorry state now because of US influence and shenanigans.
RE:RE:Get Off India's Back
by MSAT on Oct 29, 2007 04:38 PM Permalink
Your point about alternative energy sources is debatable. It is never a wise option to put all your eggs in one basket. Oil is today trading at $93 a barrel; when it hits 120-130 per barrel in a few year's time, and domestic riots begin on high power and energy prices, who will bell the cat and take the blame? It is therefroe wise to spread your basket among coal, hydel, nuclear, wind, oil etc. As far as nuke power is concerned, Britain gets 20% of its power from nuclear power, and France 80%. Russia is building new generation neutron reactors, and is among the world leaders in the field and is willing to export them to India.
Ans policymakers and nuclear scientists in india, irrespective of which party is in national government, have a blueprint for nuclear power, which envisages Thorium based reactors in about 30-40 years time. But those reactors have not yet been built and comprehensively tested. To graduate from our current nuclear phase to thorium power, there is an intermediate stage where will have no option but to use a mix of thorium an uranium. We do not have enough reserves of uranium in our country to meet this national blueprint. hence the call by scientists to import uranium to meet our requirements during this phase. And hence the need for a nuclear deal. Clearly a lot of soul-searching has already been done, so you don't have to sell your soul to the devil.
RE:Get Off India's Back
by MSAT on Oct 29, 2007 04:34 PM Permalink
Whether we have other alternatives to satisfy our energy needs is debatable. The point is we can't put all our eggs in one basket. Today oil is $93 a barrel; when it hits 120-130 in the next few years, we will be at the mercy of others like Saudi Arabia or Iran. And the s**t will hit the fan, literally, as people riot on high power prices. That is why an expanded energy basket consisting of coal, oil, hydel, nuclear and wind is a much safer option, we won't have to sell our soul, as you put it, to anybody, including Iran, Saudi or US.
As far as nuke power is concerned, Britain gets 20% of its power from nuclear power, and France 80%. Russia is building new generation neutron reactors, and is among the world leaders in the field and is willing to export them to India.
Policymakers and nuclear scientists in india, irrespective of which party is in national government, have a blueprint for nuclear power, which envisages Thorium based reactors in about 30-40 years time. But those reactors have not yet been built and comprehensively tested. To graduate from our current nuclear phase to throium power, there is an intermediate stage where will have no option but to use a mix of thorium an uranium. We do not have enough reserves of uranium in our country to meet this national blueprint. hence the call by scientists to import uranium to meet our requirements during this phase. And hence the need for a nuclear deal, among others.
RE:Get Off India's Back
by RAJ KONA on Oct 29, 2007 06:47 PM Permalink
All the countries that have been too deeply involved with the US (except western ones) are in a bad position today. Manmohan wanted to sign over Indias freedom to test nuclear devices to the US. That is not acceptable. He was not forthcoming about the Hyde act. Indias nuclear capacities cannot depend on who is the president of the US. One of the reasons Pakistan is in soup is because the Pakistani elite got too deeply involved with the US and subverted democratic institutions in their own country.
Please dont trust the americans the americans have constantly threated us sometimes even with military might. americans are very much oppurtunist and they can get to any level for there interest US wants to make india its counter-weight against china .Iam not a communist nor iam a enemy of devolopment at this age we must need nuclear energy but we cant allow some one to play with us instead of US we should get a INDO-WORLD nuclear deal ---------hot world cup . com
RE:Americans
by MSAT on Oct 29, 2007 04:11 PM Permalink
We will get an Indo-World nuclear deal, as you call it, only after we finish a safeguards pact with IAEA. The Indo-World deal is in reality a India-NSG deal. Afterwards we will have to sign separate deals with Russia and france, among others, before they can supply uranium to india. And that will happen, as all countries have said in public, only after the Indo-US deal is approved. In a sense, the world, through the NSG, has delegated it to the Americans to bring India into the fold. And stupid as we are, we are allowing some commie-licking shits like Karat with less than 6% of the national vote to dictate terms to the world.
If you study Indian history carefully, you will US was anti-Congress party and so by extension India. Everyone knows Congress Party is infested with commie sympathisers.
