It is very sad to see the mental make up of people in India as expressed by posts in this forum. WHile it is true that every community needs to protect their interests and lobbying by Hindus and Muslims is justified I wonder how people can support savage brutality that took place in Gujarat. Just put yourself in the shoes that Muslims in Gujarat went through. Imagine a mob of 1000 people outside your house waiting to butcher you. For absolutely no fault of yours. THink as a Hindu or Muslim but not always. THink as a human at times
RE:Very Sad India
by Srinivasan Bhanuchandran on Oct 28, 2007 03:09 PM Permalink
Dear Dinesh Just Imagine you are in a train, you are innocently looking forward to meet your family. You are locked up, petrol poured on the bogies and you are burnt alive for absolutely no fault of yours. Hve you imagined that? Both forms are horrifying do not glorify one version and leave the other as politicians do for vote
RE:Very Sad India
by Dinesh on Oct 28, 2007 03:16 PM Permalink
Thanks Srinivasan. I am not in anyway glorifying the train carnage. There is an analogy given by someone i dont remember, Just because a Maruti car hit you on the road, will you go and burn down the Maruti factort? Did the people who retaliate do it out of revenge? Did they do it out of Hindu brotherhood. NO. they just took advantage of the political situation. What did they gain? Power. What is the long term implication of that. People are alienated forever. Those people and their generations to follow will nurse resentment forever.
RE:Very Sad India
by odhavji vanani on Nov 04, 2007 03:24 PM Permalink
Has any one observed communal tension in Gujarat after 2002? Unnecessarily salt is rubbed on wounds. During 1984; Sikhs were driven out from all over India and pushed to Punjab. Most taxi drivers were sikhs in Mumbai, now do you find them? Why hard earned money of public should be spent on Haj subsidy which muslims themselves do not approve? Government should spend on public welfare only without caste and creed.
RE:Very Sad India
by Atul Patel on Oct 28, 2007 02:32 PM Permalink
Dinesh, Just imagine if the same incident (Suppose hindus burnt the train carrying muslims) happened in Pakistan what will they will do to hindus?
RE:Very Sad India
by Dinesh on Oct 28, 2007 02:40 PM Permalink
I am sure they would burn the Hindus over there. But is that justification for Muslims to be killed here?
RE:Very Sad India
by Dinesh on Oct 28, 2007 02:50 PM Permalink
I just hope that India does not turn into Israel where there is a terrorist attack every day. Sometimes things are not in our control, things like Partition, Babri Masjid, Godhra train burning and the riots can set a country on an irreversible path much like Israel. But atleast let us do what we can, keep away from supporting terror.
RE:Very Sad India
by Dinesh on Oct 28, 2007 03:06 PM Permalink
I am not saying that there is a lot of patriotism among Muslims in this country. You can see outright that Muslims support Pakistan when there is a cricket match. But i am only saying that no one should be killed for no fault of theirs.
RE:Very Sad India
by anil mahajan on Oct 28, 2007 03:03 PM Permalink
I think you are yourself a muslim and writing with a hindu name. the biggest terrorists in the world today are muslims. Most other things happen once in a while but muslim attacks are occuring evry day through out the world.They dont want to follow any law of the land. a very simple thing. the Supreme Court says registeration of marriages should be made compulsory. Even this is not accepatable to the muslims. For them there religion is above the nation.
RE:Very Sad India
by Dinesh on Oct 28, 2007 03:34 PM Permalink
why do i have to be a Muslim or a Paki to talk about humanity? I am also not in support of having different laws for different religions. I agree that there is a lot of traditional orthodox mindset among the Muslims which is not relevant in todays world. But ask yourself what is the justification to kill innocent people
RE:Very Sad India
by Dinesh on Oct 28, 2007 02:45 PM Permalink
None of your relatives died in the train carnage. But still you are outraged and talking about retaliation. Think of the Muslims whose family members got killed. Will you not blame them for carrying out terrorist attacks in the name of revenge? whom are you retailiating against? Somebody who had nothing to do with the incident??
By whatever way, lotus and saffron have finnally bloomed in the south. Congratulations. But keep your sanity, BJP. This should not become a one-time stay, but mark the beginning of complete Hindu rule over ALL of India. Of course, much work needs to be done in the north. And yes, find some real leaders - Narendrabhai is one - after these gerontocrats at Ashok Road are over. Jaganniwas Iyer
RE:Lotus and saffron bloom in the south
by tali on Oct 28, 2007 02:12 PM Permalink
I have spoken toany of my friends. Every one expressed only admiration and respect for narendhra bhai. All educated hindus are with BJP and RSS. We dont care about Tej Paul of tehelkha or setelvad (I heard she married a paki)..
RE:Lotus and saffron bloom in the south
by Biju Gangadharan on Oct 28, 2007 10:27 PM Permalink
You are absolutley correct. Narendra Modi is the only leader in india, who is showing some leadership qualities. All other politicians are baffoon like Laloo. There is an article in today's GULF NEWS (leading new paper in Gulf countries) about Narendra Modi. They described him as a politician with great leadership qualities and Gujarat as a best administrated state in India. Also wrote that all these qualities are over shadowed by killing 2000 Muslims.
RE:Lotus and saffron bloom in the south
by tali on Oct 28, 2007 02:07 PM Permalink
some men from BJP may do some mistakes. May fell prey to temptation. thats ok.It is the party of Hinuds. the only party which has the guts to oppose caste based reservation which is nipping the aspirations of many hardworking Hindus
RE:India is a hindu country, Hindus have awaken!!!!!
by tali on Oct 28, 2007 01:52 PM Permalink
The threat from internal islamic terrorist should not be under estimated. Mind , Gujarath and Bombay are border states to the rotten porkistan. these guys may do anything , because they are nuts
RE:India is a hindu country, Hindus have awaken!!!!!
by vanday on Oct 28, 2007 02:09 PM Permalink
Dear Hilter this world has seen many hitler like u they came and had gone no one stayed u have lots of examples so just take care before u write or else u might even loose this power next time.AH
RE:India is a hindu country, Hindus have awaken!!!!!
by tali on Oct 28, 2007 02:14 PM Permalink
they came and gone, bt made lasting effect. The pakis should know what happened to jews during hitler rule. 6 millions jews were shot to death. Like hitler, we may also distance ourselves from some one who do this. Later on we will say "he is a fassicist" .thats ok
RE:India is a hindu country, Hindus have awaken!!!!!
by vanday on Oct 28, 2007 02:17 PM Permalink
What if it happens the opposite di u think that just imagine tail. See their are around 40 Ismalic countries they might give shelter or do protection to them. If it is our case where in the world u will go and who will protect us please think this way.
RE:India is a hindu country, Hindus have awaken!!!!!
by tali on Oct 28, 2007 02:22 PM Permalink
why the hell some one has to give us protection. India is gig enough for the whole world. we dont need any protection. The BJP's power is Karnataka is the first step in asserting the might of Hindus. wait and watch
RE:India is a hindu country, Hindus have awaken!!!!!
by Yusuf Mohamed on Oct 28, 2007 03:56 PM Permalink
Dear Hinduhitler, we have all this in an Islamic city called UAE, plus nobody has to pay any sort of tax for any thing, plus, all religons and communities (about 200 in number) living peacefully. I myself being an Indian, coordially invite you to come and live in this Islamic city, practice all your religious rites, feel secure and be happy. look forward to meeting you.
RE:India is a hindu country, Hindus have awaken!!!!!
by mash on Oct 28, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
Truly agreed Mr. Mohd. Theres no discrimination in the UAE. We laugh, we celebrate we respect each other over here. we dont even care to ask the religion of hte other person. Truly UAE is the best example of brotherhood and multi religions living in harmony and peace. To name UAE is the best country in the world.
RE:Say NO to BJP!!
by tali on Oct 28, 2007 01:23 PM Permalink
Contractor? when did you contracted your brain to Italy?Ram and development are not mutually exclusive. You know what, in the ear of software industry, the reservation card will actually not work. so hell with yor appeasement policies!!
one thing many rediffians forget, hindus were never united at any time, save during the freedom struggle led by gandhiji. their disunity goes back to the days of pritviraj and jaichand! for every pritviraj there are 100 jaichands in hindu society! that is why hindus can never unite even for a second! so the natural conclusion is that the minorities become too poerful and call the shots like they do today1 so u know whom to blame now?
RE:KARNATAKA
by tali on Oct 28, 2007 01:27 PM Permalink
This will change. wait and watch. Just see Gujarat. Despite some shortcomings and bit of over violence during post gohdhra, the sentiments of Hindus are intact. Modi is treated like a hero not just by BC's but also by tribal people.
RE:KARNATAKA
by vanday on Oct 28, 2007 02:15 PM Permalink
See tail every one has his day and finally he goes to the grave so every one has to answer what he has done in his life so don't worry Modi will see that soon see how he going to die as he has cry of innocents who were killed for no reasons just because they were Muslims it is in human.
RE:KARNATAKA
by tali on Oct 28, 2007 02:27 PM Permalink
Grave???this shows you are a paki and not a hindu as your name suggests. I know for sure, Hindus admire Narendhra bhai.
Grapes are always sour . So Congress will now invent virtues of not forming government with JD (S). In fact all parties in similar positions would have done the same . Actually what we need in India is a partyless democracy and none should be allowed to form government unless he or she manages to secure fifty percent or more of the votes.
BJP is the only party which for the first time in history made every one to identify as Hindus first. It is the only party which will unite us. All other parties will appease muslims and its cohorts. some pakis here are dividing Hindus.be aware. We are hindus first.
RE:RE:A Dalit is equal to Brahmin - Both are Hindu brothers
by Pooja on Oct 28, 2007 12:53 PM Permalink
I think we all are human beings, then Indians, then Hindus..
RE:A Dalit is equal to Brahmin - Both are Hindu brothers
by PKS Sarin on Oct 28, 2007 01:03 PM Permalink
Yes, dear tali, But seculars and Dalits will not agree because seculars will lose a major plank and Dalits will be scared of losing the reservation beneftis which hang around our neck like the proverbial albatross. But basically I agree with your idea though I do not think Hindus care about themselves .
RE:RE:A Dalit is equal to Brahmin - Both are Hindu brothers
by on Oct 28, 2007 12:52 PM Permalink
we can treat every one equally, this doesnt mean every one is equal.
We are Hindus , and should not be divided by caste. A dalit is equal to Brahmin No caste,No reservations. Ban caste and reservations, only then we will be supreme. BJP is the only part which had Bagaru laxman, even though he is a Dalit. It is the only party which is above caste polictics
RE:Rise above caste lines
by Sivanandan nair on Oct 28, 2007 01:10 PM Permalink
Yes. BJP is the only party which can bring the entire hindus under one banner. But they should have a common agenda for the betterment of the common man, I am an RSS and had belief in BJP leaders, like Atalji, Modi, Rajnath..but I cannot digest the twisted words of Advani, it is just like Kader Khans dialogue which has double meaning. Let us see what BJP has in their mind for the Karnataka people.
