Riots are bad . But Tehelka loses it's credibility by bringing this report at time when elections are announced. EC must take note of it . This is an attempt to influence votes on caste basis .
RE:Time
by Balu Sant on Nov 07, 2007 03:16 PM Permalink
If Tehelka did it to influence votes, so be it. It is a minor misdemeanour compared with what the criminals such as Modi did...let's not try to wish away a crime by referring to minor aberrations...
Muslims have always condemned violence on whoever it occurred and would continue to do so. Killing of innocent human beings is not justified by any Religion not even by Islam or even Hinduism.
Violence against Violence cannot be justified. They killed so we killed can never be right. Punish all guilty whether Muslim/Hindu/Christian or anyone else............
Why people are taking on Tejpal, look at the evidence produced on video brothers, look at the evidence.
By pointing finger at each other are you justifying the rapes, killing and massacre of innocent INDIANS??? Godhra was bad but was post-godhra good, is that what u guys want to say???
Cool your mind of hatred and listen to Bajrangi again, where he proudly admits cutting open a pregnant women's stomach??? Do u think any sane HUMAN would do that?
If that women was your sister what would you do today???? Was that pregnant lady responsible for what happened at Godhra Station???
STOP the hatred brothers, be united, don't give into the hands of dirty politics......... Help India match up with developed nations, instead of justifying Violence against Violence, killing against killing, murder against murder.....
RE:STOP Hatred, we had enough of it....................
by Vas on Oct 27, 2007 08:47 PM Permalink
ASHISH KHETAN the undercover who did the Tehelka Story in his Reporter's Diary writes: For six months, I remained a voyager between two worlds %u2014 my world, where I was Ashish Khetan, a journalist with a Catholic wife, a daughter with a French name and no fixed religion, and a host of Muslim and Christian friends. And then there was the other world, where I was Piyush Aggarwal, a member of the %u201CParivar%u201D, a Hindu zealot, a religious fanatic, with only murderers and rapists for friends.
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The above report clearly shows the anti-hindu motive/agenda of yet another 'christian' reporter. Can anyone in their right mind call this objective reporting?
Plus what about massive gencoide of hindus in Kashmir? How come no justice has been done so far? How come no justice for all those innocent civilians who were killed in terrorist actions by muslim jihadis? How come no videos on the burning alive of men and women in the train been shown repeatedly? Is it because the burning smell of a hindu flesh is so appetising to you muslims. You can weep for a muslim pregnant woman being killed, but you cannot weep with same sadness/horror at a hindu child, woman or man being burnt alive by a muslim mob, or blown apart by a muslim terrorist bomb.
Why do the muslims think justice should be only one-sided - on their side? You muslims only weep for yourself. The day you learn to weep for another not your own, that when you are worthy of receiving
RE:STOP Hatred, we had enough of it....................
by Vas on Oct 27, 2007 08:48 PM Permalink
cont..
Why do the muslims think justice should be only one-sided - on their side? You muslims only weep for yourself. The day you learn to weep for another not your own, that when you are worthy of receiving someone else's sympathy.
RE:STOP Hatred, we had enough of it....................
by SayedM Ahmad on Oct 28, 2007 01:13 AM Permalink
I think you are not aware of the facts. If so please google the internet. Every blast or attack on temples or innocent Hindus are strongly condemed by most of the Muslims representatives. But these VHP, Bagrang Dal, Shiv Sena and BJP people (alomst all) are hypocrates. They even do not have courage to say right "right" and wrong "wrong". Instead of punishing the offenders, they are attacking journalists. Very shameful. Have you ever seen the toads in the well it appears that they think that this is the whole world and they are supreme. In the same way these bunch of crooks think by buthering innocent people. There are more Muslims in the World and far more stronger then these terrorists, rapists and riotists. Do you remember these are the men from same breed who were trying to spread hatred by preparing the CD containing false content at the time of UP elections through actors, because they very well know that what they are going to say is not truth. And see what the people give them n return, a tight slap. Keeping in view of their past records I strongly believe that even Godhra train burning is also planned by themselves.
If Muslims and secular perople are allowed to vote, if Muslims are allowed to return their homes in Gujarat. I can guarantee never in future BJP will return to power.
RE:RE:STOP Hatred, we had enough of it....................
by Vas on Oct 28, 2007 01:41 AM Permalink
I think you are the one out of reality. Most persons condemning the muslim terrorist acts were NOT muslims initially. The muslim community throughout the world kept quiet initially after every islamic terrorist act in the world, until the international community began to criticise the muslim community for keeping quiet. It was after this international criticism that some so-called moderate muslims spoke out - with weak, pathetic, half-hearted attempts to condemn the muslim terrorist acts. In fact as recently as two weeks ago, Shabana Azmi in BBC broadcast herself agreed that moderate muslims made a mistake of keeping quiet and silent about islamic fundamentalism for so long. It was only after the international community heavily criticized the muslim community for indirectly ''suporting'' the terrorists, some so-called moderate muslims started giving lip-sympathy for the victims of muslim terrorism. Even then their criticism of the terrorists was so mild, that it hardly seemed like a criticism at all. In fact, these moderate muslims were more interested in focusing on 'hindu terrorism' then dealing with violence perpetrated by their own community.
RE:STOP Hatred, we had enough of it....................
by manikandan on Oct 28, 2007 01:44 AM Permalink
you will condemn those killings and still vote for congress...which was due to congis soft corner for terror..(in other words congress sponsered terrorism)..which is what modi also when he doesnt act against terror..
In hyd the cong knows some blast cud occur..(thro our inteligence agencies) what the hell the govt was doing??so the congress govt hold no right to remain in power in state as well as centre..my dear brothers please dont vote for congress and alies also...
Muslims of India never condemned violence on Hindus. See the Kashmir.how can they then condemn burning alive of 60 pilgrims in the train compartment at Godhra.why were the muslims furious that they burned alive 60 innocent pilgrims in a mob fury and why Hindus specially the relative and friends of these 60 pilgrims burned alive, were not furious that govt or Modi had to act on their behalf? Why were these Hindus not so furious to convert it into mob fury that govt had to concoct its own mob and fury. Can any one except the secular and the muslim digent.What does Tejpal thinks of Hindus? Are the so cowards or so much without any reaction that govt have to come to their help and even than Muslims managed to kill 600 Hindus in post godhra.I think Congress govt or Tejpal want to passions run high and convert this into riots.Tejpal had done earlier that done now again.Can anyone please befriend him so he does not do it again.
RE:No Muslim condemned voilence
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 27, 2007 11:32 AM Permalink
I am not saying that all muslims are good and all hindus are bad. Both communities should understand that by fighting no one is going to gain anything. The only one gaining from such thing are politician and some religious leader. I remeber few years ago a Maulvi issued fatwa to vote for congress later all came to know that he got money from BJP to do so, so that they can take hindutava as campaign. It happened in gujarat. All i have to say is there are few bad people on all side but the correct decision has to be made by an individual itself. Regarding political parties, either its congress or BJP, they all know is how to get maximum benefit of such thing.
RE:No Muslim condemned voilence
by nayaf shafi on Oct 27, 2007 07:33 PM Permalink
Controlling the CRIME,KILLING ,LAW AND ORDER is always a State Authority .WHAT HAPPENED IN GODHRA(We don't know how much it is correct or it is also another fabricated lie of Modi) was also a failure of Modi Government.Reacting on his own failure by state sponsored genocide is not heroism act but a mental bankruptcy of people who claims to be Sevaks.These people do not belong to any religion ,they find pleasure only in killing of innocent people . They kill any one who opposes them or whom they do not like.
RE:No Muslim condemned voilence
by on Oct 27, 2007 06:54 AM Permalink
Yes you are correct. Muslims never condemned ... or you fanatics .. from both Hindus & Muslims religion never wanted to listen to several other secular minded people condemnation. Kashmir is a different case and Govt should act to see no injustice are done to kashmiris... muslim or hindus or christians or sikhs...
But does this justifies wat been done in Gujarat 2002 by Modi and his supporters...
Just think your wives, mothers, daughters raped and butchered... think wat will you do when somebody ripped off ur pregnant wife womb... think if people cut your childern or yours limb by limb and burn them....
Think dear frined... think before its too late for our beloved country....
Nothing can be justified for state sponsored terrorism....
Dont become shameless inhuman creatures.....
Thinl of our beloved country and dont divide it further... PLssssssssssssssssssss
RE:No Muslim condemned voilence
by Vas on Oct 28, 2007 01:55 AM Permalink
And you just think if your pregnant wife, daughter, or sister was burnt alive when traveling in a train, or had their hands, feet, and body being blown apart by muslim terrorist bombs. Is the smell of hindu flesh burning less unpleasant to you then a muslim woman being killed? Think deeply of the answer to this? And don't be a hypocrite!
For centuries, muslims not only in India, but in many parts of the world, have been going on destruction spree, and thinking nothing about commiting the atrocities.
I am amazed to see how many muslims say that what happened in Kashmir - genocide of millions hindus - is nothing to do with muslims, but the result of state politics! Muslims always try to find some pathetic excuse for their terrible actions everywhere, so as to absolve themselves of any responsibility of their terrible actions, but will only too readily accuse other religions or groups of ''pre-planned'' or ''pre-meditated'' murder of muslims. I still remember muslim communities in the west celebrating the deaths of innocent civilians after bomb blasts of trains and buses, and saying that the muslims terrorists were justified in doing such a heinous things because of western governments'politics. Well, can you now say that the hindus were justified in doing wht they did in godra incident because of GOI/ muslim community's politics in India?
Your words only reflect typical muslim hypocricy - nothing more.
RE:No Muslim condemned voilence
by nayaf shafi on Oct 27, 2007 07:15 PM Permalink
ISLAM NEVER PREACHES HATRED,VIOLENCE AGAINST ANYONE.KASHMIR PROBLEM WAS A FALLOUT OF POOR GOVERNMENT POLICIES AND IT HAS RESULTED IN THE DEATHS AND MIGRATION OF BOTH MUSLIMS AND HINDUS.PLEASE DO NOT EQUATE A STATE SPONSORED GENOCIDE AND ANY WORD OF SUPPORT TO MODI SHOWS THE MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL BANKRUPTCY OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU.WE MUSLIM CONDEMN ANY GENOCIDE ,RIOTS,INNOCENT KILLINGS WHEREVER IT TAKES PLACE.BOASTING OF MURDER,CUTTING A WOMAN WOMB,BURNING A LIVE HUMAN BEING ARE NOT ACTS OF HEROISM BUT INSANITY.WHOEVER SUPPORTS THEM ,CAN NEVER BE PATRIOTIC INDIAN.
RE:No Muslim condemned voilence
by Ramesh Jatav on Oct 26, 2007 10:01 PM Permalink
Hindus were shunted out of Kashmir.Could Muslims alone do it? Never.it was because the govt.who wanted Hindus to killed and shunted out that the Kasmiri Muslims succeeded in govt designs. What i mean is if post Godhra is correct then why Kashmir also is correct.Who will prosecute Kashmir govt or central govt. or who has the gutts to arrest Farooq Abdula or his son or Gulam Ajad or the father of the girl who was 'kidnnapped ' by terrorists and released later on
Pleas dont only heap praise on Modi for riots, dont forget Atal Behari (Prime Minister during Gujarat riots). He has practically shown what is the meaning of 'Nero playing flute while Rome was burning.' err 'Writing poems while Gujarat was burning'.
This is the biggest achievement of Atal Behari as a Prime Minister.
RE:Please dont forget Atal Behari
by mukund sandur on Oct 27, 2007 10:18 PM Permalink
Mr.Socratis,why blame only BJP or Mr.Atal Bihari Vajpayee.What other so called secular parties like Congress have done for the victim of Anti-Sikh riots in 1982.I think you too were dancing to the tunes of Congress and their futile,useless leaders.What is ruling Congress party done or doing to stop the violence in Kashmir where both Muslims and Hindus are being targeted. So then why blaming one person.There are many such countless instances. So Mr.Socratis,shut your silly mouth and think twice before you comment on any thing.Do you have any say on this.
Can violence and bloodshed justify another bloodshed. When will we get over saying they killed us and we killed them. Is there no end to this?
Godhra is condemned by all muslims all over the world but can any sane person justify the killing of innocent people in gujarat for what happened at Godhra station? Were those innocent people who were burned and slaughtered responsible for what happened at the station?
Why don't people understand the politics, its really heartbreaking to see people supporting Narendra Modi who was the master mind behind the Massacre of Human beings.....Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist and so is Narendra Modi.
Anybody who kills human beings is a Terrorist and should be punished..........
RE:Violence cannot justify Violence brothers
by mukund sandur on Oct 27, 2007 10:23 PM Permalink
So Mr.Whoseoever--- then why still the terrorist who dared to enter Indian Parliament killing innocent guards on duty is not punished. Many Muslims in Kashmir and other parts of India came together and raised their voices against his verdict of "to be hanged till death". Then why only Narendra Modi is being taunted as terrorist.Anyone who supports terrorist is also a terrorist mind you.
Jinnah had said on August 16, 1946 "Direct Action Day" for the purpose of winning the separate Muslim state of Pakistan %u201C We shall have India divided or we shall have India destroyed%u201D. In April 1946, the ministry in Bengal was headed by Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy. Suhrawardy heeded Jinnah's call for "Direct Action Day" in August, and demanded a "public holiday", claiming that even the police would "take the day off". Muslims in Calcutta took that to indicate that they were free to riot. The absence of the police during the riots in Calcutta during "Direct Action Day". The Muslim League Chief Minister, Suhrawardy in his address reportedly assured the audience that the military and police had been 'restrained' in the rally. This was interpreted by the gathering as an open invitation to commit violence on the Hindus.Subsequently, there were reports of lorries (trucks) that came thundering down Harrison Road in Calcutta, carrying Muslim men armed with brickbats and bottles as weapons and attacking Hindu shops.Official estimate put the casualties at 4,000 dead and 100,000 injured.Other sources put the death toll at 6,000 most of the victims were Hindus.Once the riots began the Chief Minister, Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy, accompanied by his political aids, spent considerable time in the Police Control Room to shield Muslims from "police operations" while Muslims executed the riots.
RE:Let us remember Calcutta Masscre of 1946
by mukund sandur on Oct 27, 2007 10:28 PM Permalink
But Mr.Sameer,please can you put your brains to answer me.Why only Hindus are being asked to forget all the attrocities committed against them while others are not.Muslims still fight stating what happened to them.You will always reap what you sow. This change in attitude has to come from both communities and has to be supported by all our politicians who rule our country and from each and every Indian citizen.
RE:RE:Let us remember Calcutta Masscre of 1946
by mukund sandur on Oct 27, 2007 10:31 PM Permalink
Yes Mr.Shendih,as you have been voting for probably other parties who simply use minorities as an vote bank.Or if you dont have the courage to vote to bring the right person on seat,then please shut up.
RE:Let us remember Calcutta Masscre of 1946
by Sameer on Oct 27, 2007 12:41 AM Permalink
I know Modi would still win from the negative publicity........But India is a Great Country and dirty politics has never let it become a developed nation. I am proud to be INDIAN Muslim but it hurts when brothers justify violence against violence, murder against murder.
We had enough of it in our beloved country. Swear at me for being a INDIAN Muslim but don't hate each other. Only together united India can progress and these politicians whether BJP or Congress never want us united.........
Realise their motive and love each other............Please Brothers........
RE:Let us remember Calcutta Masscre of 1946
by manikandan on Oct 27, 2007 01:40 PM Permalink
when some one standing up for hindus..you guy act like pseudo-seculars and call them communal...which is what we hate from guyslike you..its not your religion that makes us hate you..
RE:Let us remember Calcutta Masscre of 1946
by Shankar Eppoor on Oct 27, 2007 12:43 PM Permalink
Dirty politics are those propagating psedo secularism like you
RE:RE:Let us remember Calcutta Masscre of 1946
by manikandan on Oct 27, 2007 01:46 PM Permalink
mr.shenid...
before calling someone moron..lookat yourself in themirror..it will suit you more than anybody..Going by that..argument..that violence is not a act of government..None of your muslim brothers should vote for congress in the coming election...because congress has killed more than 3500 sikhs in delhi alone...if you vote for congress inspite of the fact that congress has killed somany..then we have all the right to call you antinational..anti-democarcy..anit-india..A$$hle...reply me on this.. you guys will only be able to see BJPs riots..coz they are here for hindus..and conveniently forget..congress riots at anytime..poor muslims...they turn blind sometimes when their people are hurt
RE:RE:RE:RE:Let us remember Calcutta Masscre of 1946
by nayaf shafi on Oct 27, 2007 08:01 PM Permalink
WE CONDEMN ANY KILLING IN THE NAME OF RELIGION WHEREVER IT HAPPENS.WE HAVE ALSO GIVEN LESSONS TO CONGRESS IN BIHAR,UP,BENGAL,ORRISSA WHEN IT HAS ADOPTED RIOT POLICY TO WIN ELECTIONS.WE ARE SECULAR AND WE ONLY WANT PROGRESS OF INDIA.PLEASE DO NOT JUSTIFY THOSE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT RIOTS AND DISRUPTION OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES IN A HIGHLY DEVELOPED STATE GUJRAT FOR THREE MONTHS TO WIN CHIEFMINISTERSHIP.LET US UNITE AND WORK FOR INDIAN PROGRESS.
All the Tahelka sting operations are against BJP, no single sting operations against Congress. Tahelka team must have received Very good amount of Money from congress
RE:Tahelka is financed by Congress
by mukund sandur on Oct 27, 2007 10:38 PM Permalink
You are absolutely right Ashish.Tehelka is nothing but used as weapon to get power in their hands and ruin the country.It is clearly evident from the sting operations carried out against only BJP.There has been no sting operations against those who burnt many innocent Hindus alive in train at Godhra.
