When John F Kennedy ran for office, his catholicism was a major issue. They accused him of his loyalty to the Vatican. He said, his religion would not interfere and went on to win.
Imagine if Kennedy had converted to Baptist. Do you think the Catholics would have respected him?
Hell No!
Bobby Jindal is a Rat! Period!
IF it was an Indian Christian whose parents and grand parents were Christians. Then this is a non issue. I would cheer a fellow desi on his success.
RE:RE:Imagine if Kennedy had converted to become a Baptist!
by Aryan on Oct 22, 2007 11:06 AM Permalink
I dont get your point here ? Is bobby jindal baptist?
RE:RE:RE:Imagine if Kennedy had converted to become a Baptist!
by GRT Guru on Oct 22, 2007 04:48 PM Permalink
He converted to Christianity to win this Governor post.
RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by sharique nezami on Oct 22, 2007 10:46 AM Permalink
Give me one reason the necessity of existence of RSS kinda organization in India. Do you think Hindu in India needs a Stage to speak to the Govt for their rights? Look at the Indian Muslim society, are they not deprived economically, educationally, psychologically, yes they need an organization to speak to the govt. and ask for their welfare. But where they are? Have you heard of any of such organization? We need it badly but we don%u2019t form it, you know why we dont wana be called ourselves by a separate lingo INDIAN MUSLIMS. We are part of Indian society; we are INDIAN, just an INDIAN like you. I reject the statement linking INDIA with HINDUISM.
INDIA is my (a Muslims) motherland as she is to any Hindu, Christian, Jain, Budhist and Sikh. Tollerance and coexistence is the key word.
RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by Archna Maan on Oct 22, 2007 11:09 AM Permalink
If tolerance and coexistence is the key word, then why would India be described as a dar ul harb that has to be conquered for Islam?
And if India is the motherland of Muslims, then what was partition all about?
You people love secularism as long as you are in a minority.
RE:RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by Tarun on Oct 22, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
Problem is, a lot of Muslims support Pakistan during cricket matches, consider the Nation secondary to their religion, and other Muslim countries, are impartial towards non-Muslims, and generally hold a ghetto mentality.
Solve this problem, and you will see the Indian Muslim community shine compared to the doldrums the other Muslims are in, wherever they may be on this earth.
RE:RE:RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by sharique nezami on Oct 22, 2007 12:41 PM Permalink
They are illiterate or distressed by the system around them. Teach them they will hate Pakistan and treat them like your brother they will give their blood for your cause.
RE:RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by sharique nezami on Oct 22, 2007 12:45 PM Permalink
Mr. Tarun, religion is a personal issue. dont link it togather with indian nation hood. I disagree with the statement that "One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian".
RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by Archna Maan on Oct 22, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
Both Muslims and Christians are fundamentalist to the core, but want Hindus to be secular!! How convinient! If somebody wants to get a taste of Christians secularism, try celebrating Diwali in Nagaland.
RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 22, 2007 11:17 AM Permalink
Look Sharique - India is a secular nation because its founding fathers believed that is the right ideology to follow. A majority Hindus agree to that even now and that is why India continues to be secular and the opportunities given to all to succeed by working hard and on merit. However - if some people want special status and facilities because of their religion - then a the majority hindus will get very angry and the land of equal opportunities will become very different. Equality for all, no special privileges to anyone on the basis of religion.
RE:RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by shaaly habub on Oct 22, 2007 12:38 PM Permalink
You are right Anurag, but what about the high postions are all occupied by Hindus they never want other religions to come up then how come you speak of equal opportunities.
RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by Prem Prakash on Oct 22, 2007 11:28 AM Permalink
Mr sharique, I respect your feelings, but can you tell me one thing why you people want reservation. This should be against your moral, because Muslims have already taken their reserved area as Pakistan.
RE:RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by sharique nezami on Oct 22, 2007 12:37 PM Permalink
Mr Prem and Mr. Anurag,
I agree with you your point " Equality for all, no special privileges to anyone one the basis of religion, cast, creed, languages, region etc.". I totally agree with this idea. but tell me what will you do to uplift people who are weaker in society. Tell me if do they have right to survive. How could they cope with the competition of the market when they remain backward in the society? Let them come to your level; let them come to be equal to the strongest section of Indian society. At one stage they will not require our privileges. If we can tolerate this as a human being, Indian society will grow in two stages. stage1: you give privileges to which you evaluate weaker in society irrespective of their religion, cast or creed to see them uplifted to the level strongest section of Indian society. 2. stop the privileges when they reaches that level and grow together. Do you think we have equally balanced and strong Indian society now???
Now Mr. Parekh, Have you ever surveyed the Indian Muslims opinion for India-Pakistan partition and about Jinnah. You will find Mr. Advani praising Jinnah but you will never find an Indian Msulim praising Jinnah. Since, I opened my eyes in the world I always heared of Jinnah as traitor to Indian Muslims. He cant be even a true follower of Islam as he consumed alcohol throughout his life. Go into the history check if you will find a number of Muslim leaders on national level and regional levels opposed division of Paki
RE:RE:RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by sharique nezami on Oct 22, 2007 12:38 PM Permalink
contn. of above..........
Go into the history check if you will find a number of Muslim leaders on national level and regional levels opposed division of Pakistan from India. Now for the sake of argument and answer your morality talk, can you justify the geographical division with respect to the population? Tell if the density, population, proximity has been considered in the partition. It was not at all a justified partition whether by its principle or by geographical.
RE:RE:RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by Prem Prakash on Oct 22, 2007 12:59 PM Permalink
Mr sharique, what you said is correct. But my question is different, my question in on your moral. See, once any person take his part on his personal ground then he should have not right to remain on others part. And in any condition he remains in others portion then he should not try to claim equal rights. As secular country government has to look equal and make all arrangement to uplift the society.
RE:RE:RE:RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by sharique nezami on Oct 22, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
Mr. Prem,
Muslim League never gets support of Mass Muslims of Indian Society in undivided India. I knows my Dada ( grandpa )never supported Jinnah at the regional level.same with other Indian Msulims. So the division was claimed by wrong son of a family who never represented the masses of Indian Msulims. The question of morality will arise when muslim league who supported division still stays in India. But I find non.
RE:RE:RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by Archna Maan on Oct 22, 2007 12:44 PM Permalink
You cannot break a country into two, and then demand special privelages in whatever land is left to infidels. YOu had your chance to get out in 1947. why did you not do so? Why live in a dar ul harb when Islamic paradise was created for you? You know what is happening to Mohajirs in Islamic paradise and what happened to Bangladeshi Muslims, don't you? Count your blessings. You are getting much more than what Hindus are getting in Saudi Arabia. Otherwise, please pack your bags and cross the border where you have as many priveleges as you want.
RE:RE:RE:RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by sharique nezami on Oct 22, 2007 12:57 PM Permalink
Dear Archna Maan,
Dont compare Saudi Arabia with India. India is my mother land. Saudi Arabia is not a mother land for a Indian Muslim or Indian Hindu. Saudi Arabia is for them, they have right to live as they want in their country. Even spending and working 50yrs in Saudi Arabia Indian Muslim dont get citizenship in there.
Go and refresh your knowledge of unbiased history, Muslim League was never a party of Mass Muslims before undivided India. Do you heard of Hindu Mahasabha, forefather of RSS. if you are playing blame game, Hindu Mahasabha should also be equally blamed for the partition of India.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by sanjaychoudhry@hotmail.com on Oct 22, 2007 02:02 PM Permalink
Muslims do not beleive the concept of nation or national boundaries. They just believe in the worldwide ummah. So your nationalism is going against what your religion teaches.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:REPLY of Fellow who thinks :One have to be a Hindu to be an Indian?
by sanjaychoudhry@hotmail.com on Oct 22, 2007 02:00 PM Permalink
The problem is people like you are in a minority in your community and your views are just straws in the wind. They make no difference to the vast mass of Muslims who consider India as a dar ul harb. Just see what happened to Kashmiri pandits.
As Sardar Patel said: "There is only one nationalist Muslim in India. And his name is Jawharlal Nehru."
Not only that, it is as much a tribute to the Americans - white, black, colored, as well as to the American democracy and eclecticism, that Bobby Jindal could make it. Hats off to the American democracy, where only merit matters, not extraneous considerations.
We have heard of many other Indians that have become political (or at least civic level) successes in the European countries. We have to view Jindal's success in bas-relief of the entirely different situation prevailing in the Islamic countries where even basic religious freedoms are not allowed to the non-Muslims, not to speak of any opportunity where the non-Muslims can play a significant socio-political role in the mainstream life of such countries.
We say, it's a global village, but we tend to run down a person with our own Indian roots. Isn't it uncharitable? So let us not try to be indifferent or moronic or cynical to the gubernatorial victory of Bobby Jindal, and we need not be apologetic about his Indian roots. Far from it, let us celebrate the occasion with pride and gusto.
RE:RE:It's joyous
by Sanjeev Sharma on Oct 22, 2007 02:30 PM Permalink
cheers, soon fatherless children of USA will be studying about Intelligent Design/Creationism/Flat Eart and other stupidities while Indians overtake them. Kudoes for Luisiana Fanatics for leading the downslide of a once great superpower.
Incidently, USA is NOT the first empire This CULT will be taking down to destruction. Roman Empire was also dealt a death-blow by fanatics of God. It is the very nature of MiddleEastern cults to destroy and Kill. Being from the desert, they know nothing better.
Hearty congrats to Bobby Jindal on his prestigious gubernatorial victory. Just imagine it: A person of Indian origin, that too for a 37-year old, totally adapting himself to the country of his adoption, joining its mainstream, winning the goodwill and confidence of the state's populace, and in the process having successfully fought against many probable instances of racial discrimination, and having taken the previous defeat in his stride and perseverently building on it, ... is all no mean achievement. It's a real success story. There is every reason for rumbustious rejoicing for him, his family, and yes, why not, for every Indian, including the Punjabis. To try to dismiss or belittle his achievement and try to play down his Indian roots is only to be moronic and cynical, devoid of any finer sensibilities.
RE:Celebrate it
by Sameer Aneja on Oct 22, 2007 10:32 AM Permalink
keep an open mind dude.. let him be ahindu converted to chirstian.. consider him only as a human being..
RE:Celebrate it
by Archna Maan on Oct 22, 2007 11:17 AM Permalink
Be a realist dude. This kind of misty-eyed humanism can get people killed. Remember the fate of Red Indians, aborginies of Australia and slavery of blacks.
RE:Celebrate it
by Sanjeev Sharma on Oct 22, 2007 02:26 PM Permalink
and St. Xaviers adventures of Goa. Yep, Saint Xaveir was known for leading from the front and sticking swords in the vulvas of women 'just to see the expression of their face'.